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AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:03
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I had a debate with my brother last night, he was basicaly putting down my Sprinter, saying shit like, "I hate the way they look, the interior is dated, its too slow" etc. I've heard this from people before so it didnt bother me that much, but then he said "and they handle like shit" when i herd that i exploded. Tryed telling him how dead wrong he was, but he wouldnt listen instead he tells me one of our mates felt the same way saying toyota's have the worst handling. Anyway i wanted to see what you guys thought. Im hoping to get some good coments as im planning to print them and give them to my brother and his mate. By the way i own a Sprinter with a 3SGTE from an ST185. It went on the Dyno a week ago and the CT26 turbo shit it self and stuffed my motor. Rebuilding it now, hoping it'll be ready by the 7th of Feb.
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:07
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Sprinter = Handling
Nothing more to say. They obviously have never been in your car?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:15
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I'd beg to differ with your brothers opinion of poor handling. Maybe in dead stock trim they don't handle the best. But with minor work I think they are one of the best handling cars i've driven.
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:16
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Mmm 3S-GTE AE86.. Would love to see that 
Seeing i'm currently building a 3S-GTE for my RA28.
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:19
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My brother has been in my previous Sprinter which had fool K-Mac suspension, and he actually over took a WRX in a corner one night (4AC motor) thats no lie i was in the car. I thought we were gonna slam in the wall but the thing just turned no problem, plus i think the rexy owner chickened out as he hit the breaks way before we did. Im starting to think my brother and his mate are getting jelous.
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:24
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Love those Mustang shape Celica's. which 3sgte are you going with
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:31
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c'mon now.. isn't it a bit childish... 
trying to get all of toymods to gang up on a sibling quarrel
Each to their own..
If your brother thinks that they handle like/look like/and goes like shit, then he's entitled to his opinion.
If he's outcornered a rexy in one, and he still thinks that
way, then he clearly wasn't impressed.
rock on.
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:36
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AE86's have pretty ordinary handling if stock. They're pretty much par for the course compared to other small cars from the era; nothing to write home about, and they're definitely not "great".
Of course once you start modifying them it's a whole different story, but then all comparisons go out the window...
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:42
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haha 1 question
whats your brother drive?
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 05:52
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100 bux it's a silvia
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Mon, 19 January 2004 10:27
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ae86's handle good when you chuck money at them but doesnt everything? mine doesnt handle too great at the moment but longer struts in the front have changed the geometry a little and the sevearly shagged rear shocks dont help either. does anyone know if bilsteins can be re-valved?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 10:28
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Mate i'm building a ST185 with forged pistons, shot peened rods, balanced etc. Unsure of what turbo yet, looking at the HKS GTRS or a GT28.
Got any pics of the engine bay? I'm trying to get some ideas for the inlet manifold.
Cheers
Joel
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Mon, 19 January 2004 11:24
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Sorry to disappoint the Takumi crowd, but the word that I've heard from club racers is that the AE86 is pretty shit. Unstable through corners and for that reason they don't corner too quick.
And outcornering a WRX isn't that great a feat. I outcornered a WRX in the rain when I had my cheap arse 195 tyres...
You're more willing to push harder in a shitbox (albeit with a TT engine in my case) than a $40k car...
Not that I've ever driven an AE86, so I can't really comment.
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Mon, 19 January 2004 11:34
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Why: Aus specs and jap specs handle exactly the same in stock form.. they are made from the same rolling chassis.
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Mon, 19 January 2004 12:06
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| shcao wrote on Mon, 19 January 2004 22:34 |
Why: Aus specs and jap specs handle exactly the same in stock form.. they are made from the same rolling chassis.
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different suspension on a jdm than an aus spec dude..
theres more to handling than a chassis
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 12:33
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errr.. i thought gtv and gtapex is the same grade
thats what hot verison and levin and trueno magazine printed
'cept gt apex gets all the luxury options
gtv = sports
gt apex = luxury
the jdm SR/GT and the aus spec are the same grade
spose it doesnt matter stock anyhow
as all ae86's are now modified 
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Mon, 19 January 2004 14:11
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One need only look to which car won the D1 Grand Prix series in 2002 ... nuff said ...
I also believe that the AE86 is the car that has won the most races at Bathrust outright on the same chassis in the track's history to date ...
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Mon, 19 January 2004 22:04
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| Nark wrote on Mon, 19 January 2004 22:24 |
Sorry to disappoint the Takumi crowd, but the word that I've heard from club racers is that the AE86 is pretty shit. Unstable through corners and for that reason they don't corner too quick.
Not that I've ever driven an AE86, so I can't really comment.
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What is it with everyone on Toymods & Initial D? I brought my first AE86 in 1999 WAY before I had ever heard of Takumi. I think I watched Initial D for the first time about 8 months ago. Seems anyone who owns an AE86 on these forums brought it ONLY because of the cartoon - wrong!
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Mon, 19 January 2004 22:15
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I owned my sprinter from 1999 to early 2001 stock suspension isn't the best but compared to other stock vehicles of its era and even up to mid 90's cars was comparable. I put some money and time into a suspension setup after about 3 months and it held the ground better than any thing else I'd driven to that date. The sprinter is very well balanced. and just grips so well when set up correctly. (note Iwas running a slightly worked 4ac so no real power either. that would be a factor)
If he is saying it's crap what is he comparing it to??
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Mon, 19 January 2004 23:41
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I new i would open up a can of worms with my question yesterday. Anyway i agree with you "schao" each to their own,
with mods to the suspension i think they still respond better then a lot of cars out there, not saying their the best handling car, but shit loads of fun!!!
"TurboRA28" I've got heaps of digi pics of my car,
engine bay etc. but my USB conection isn't working.
I should have them up soon, a couple of days.
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Tue, 20 January 2004 01:25
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amen!
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Tue, 20 January 2004 10:36
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throw some money at it??
wat mods would make the car handle like no other...
new springs/ shocks
coil overs
or adjustable strut tops n fiddly bits like that?
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Tue, 20 January 2004 11:40
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Let's be fair to the sprinters and the rexes.. I've both a 83 sprinter and a 94 rex in my garage... I bought them both aus stock and mod them up... and I took them both to track(winton, in which driver skill and handling is far more important than power) before.. to be honest, when stock, the rex do corners way better than the sprinter.. if you can beat a wrx in a corner.. most of them come to how skillful the driver is, then the setting of the car... or I'd say... that guy didn't even pushed hard...
I'm not saying the the sprinter is not good at handling... but it's just not that easy to beat the power and the AWD system a wrx originally have.
I love the sprinter so much, not only it's way cheaper then the wrx.. but it does handle well! With little mod to the suspension plus maybe some swaybars... it's gonna be one of the best handling car.. if you put some more power into it.. it can go REAL HARD! 
As for the wrx... it's just a wrx afterall, not a sti or anything else... the standard wrx is not that good at handling but since it has the somewhat easy to drive AWD system... so you don't need to be very skillful to corner it well.. but it needs at least some mod like whiteline handling pack plus lowered spring to make it a FUN handling car..
To sum it up... both the sprinter and wrx are enjoyable cars... it all comes to how you set it up and how you drive it...
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Wed, 21 January 2004 02:56
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well 50/50 weight distribution, 980 kg rwd, sounds like a good recipe in my opinion they handle great, as for jap and aus suspension i am under the impression that they are all the same part numbers
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Wed, 21 January 2004 03:24
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| TurboRA28 wrote on Tue, 20 January 2004 09:04 |
What is it with everyone on Toymods & Initial D? I brought my first AE86 in 1999 WAY before I had ever heard of Takumi. I think I watched Initial D for the first time about 8 months ago. Seems anyone who owns an AE86 on these forums brought it ONLY because of the cartoon - wrong!
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Just because you personally didn't buy it for that reason, it doesn't mean that the other 99% of AE86 owners didn't.
My comments were from a few club racers I know. This is in comparison to other cars in its class like Datto 1600s, Escorts, RX-7s, and KE Rollas.
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Wed, 21 January 2004 03:49
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Maybe we need a voting thread called 'Who purchased their AE86 because of Initial D?'
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Wed, 21 January 2004 08:29
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well im sure an 86 handles better than the escort and s1 and 2 after driving these cars but with a bit of work the irs of the 1600 is good! as for ke rollas they are great with work, but a lot of these have leaf springs so they require a lot of work
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Wed, 21 January 2004 10:25
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like anyones gonna admit to buying one cause of initial d, but i would have to agree that i reckon half the ppl on here are guilty. i wanted a sprinter since i was 5 years old (about 89). i knew NOTHING about cars, but my old boy took me for a thrash around oran park in a TRD built GT-APEX that won its class in the aus rally. since then its what i wanted my dad always told me it would be easy to get one cause they are slow and noone wants one imagine my suprise when a few years ago i start looking for one hehe
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Wed, 21 January 2004 20:05
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I've never seen Initial D, and I hate anime with a passion.
Having said that, my sprinter and all the ones I have driven understeer alot, however they are alot of fun too being so nimble.
I would prefer an oversteering car myself.
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Thu, 22 January 2004 01:02
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ive had S3 rx7's and two ae86's now, the ae86's handle MUCH better then anything else ive driven, but handling isnt all about out right grip either its about how the car behaves and gives driver feedback.
Somone mentioned earlier on that the car was shit on the limits, errr right, i havent driven any other car that i can drive beyond its own limits on a winding road with such incredible road feed back and feel, understeering? back off and then apply throttle again (helps to have 2 way diff) Over steering? apply opposite lock and go along for the ride.
My car isnt stock, and ive finally got it handling damn nicely, thanks to my adjustable rear shocks i can have them on soft for excellent grip and then wind them up when i attend drift days. It weighs 890 kgs also. The steering feed back is incredible, if i ran over a 5 cent coin i'd be able to tell you which side it was faceing up.
the turn in is incredible, there is NO understeer whatso ever, the directness is lethal, and whats more, its still a pussy to drive on the highway.
now ive driven modded nissans, R33's, S13's, S15's and WRX's, a lot of mazda's with varying mods... and NOTHING comes close to being anywhere near as fun to drive in the winding roads then my ae86.... NOTHING!
i used to think my rx7 was a handling weapon with koni shocks, king springs, lowered, 17's. sure.. it handled and gripped ok but as soon as i got my modded hachi (the first one i had) i opened my eyes, i relaised that the steering was so shit on the rx7 (rotaing ball doesnt help) poor feed back, poor turn in, poor handling on the limt, poor handling while braking and cornering.
the ae86's, with mods, is a WEAPON of a car
can i have an amen?
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Thu, 22 January 2004 06:23
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AMEN BROTHER 
Nark: have you ever driven an ae86 with good suspension? My current ae86 is my second, the first brought in 96.
The majority of ae86 drivers in Adelaide that I know off haven't watched Initial D before, maybe its a NSW thing.
Your Celica may handle/corner better at high speed but in my opinion nothing feel better then an ae86 through the hill.
My 2 cents
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Thu, 22 January 2004 09:13
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i think initial d is probably more of an asian thing. *runs and hides*
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Thu, 22 January 2004 09:27
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I think people should accept it for what it is - a cartoon. I personally enjoyed watching it beats the shit out of the flintstones or something. Prefer to watch that than the fast and the furious/ricey?
Let people enjoy it without giving AE86's such a bad name!
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Thu, 22 January 2004 09:36
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| TurboRA28 wrote on Thu, 22 January 2004 20:27 |
I think people should accept it for what it is - a cartoon. I personally enjoyed watching it beats the shit out of the flintstones or something. Prefer to watch that than the fast and the furious/ricey?
Let people enjoy it without giving AE86's such a bad name!
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AMEN!
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Thu, 22 January 2004 09:39
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Simpsons = good cartoon, initial d = crap cartoon.
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Fri, 23 January 2004 03:55
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Simpsons is a very cool cartoon
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Fri, 23 January 2004 05:12
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| EVOSTi wrote on Thu, 22 January 2004 19:43 |
i think initial d is probably more of an asian thing. *runs and hides*
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oooo dem fightin words nah ur probably right ^_^
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Fri, 23 January 2004 05:20
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I reckon ae86s are VERY VERY good handling cars.
I am in no way a driving or handling specialist, but from what I can tell, this is what I reckon.
The ae86 is an awesome handling car, one of the best.
But because of the profile and design, an AE86 with mild suspension mods, has got a lower 'boderline ego' than other thoroughbred performance cars.
BUT THIS IS NOT A BAD THING!!
Racing Geniuses such as Schumaker can drive their car at the
'boderline ego' threshold all the time. This is what makes him a great driver. This is what makes him fast. Not many people can do this as well as he can.
The ae86 is awesome because of this. Because the FEEDBACK is sooo nice, the lightness, and ease, you can really feel when you are driving at this borderline ego.
When you go past this ego, the ae86 is still predictable and can still be controlled, that is why it's good for drift.
A skilled driver who can incorperate these 2 will kick the butt off any fat ass muscle car around some tight bends. The muscle car will not get anywhere near it's limits.
And I fully AGREE with Simon, the ae86 is way more fun to drive. That's because you can drive like crazy on smaller roads. And because of this boderline ego, and ability to control it beyond, it makes it a whoppingly fast car around bends.
BOTTOM LINE, toyota didn't intend to build a thoroughbred sports car with the ae86. They wanted to build a commemorative final RWD corolla model, and they wanted it to have sports emulation. And they did an AWESOME job.
The car handling is good. And on lower speed applications such as tight corners, drift, mountains, bends, and moderate track work, it's because of these attributes that makes them a better contender than bigger sports machines. It will clearly be hard to outmaneuver this car.
On high speed applications (such as the laguna circuit racing for example), Obviously the car won't compare to other sports car here. you all have to agree on that one. That is why the sprinter is not even in the same class. However, the other sports car will behave like the ae86 does at lower speeds. This reflects well on the ae86 as being an awesome handling car.
So in conclusion.. Is the AE86 a good handling CAR? HELL YES, MOST DEFINITELY YES.
With the right mods.. It will be capable of heaps more... (this will be costly though).
and AMEN to Simon RX7.
One again, I am not a driving specialist.. so I coudl be wrong on this one
rock on.
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Fri, 23 January 2004 05:42
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Thats a very colourful (in more ways then one) discription hahaha
Even on faster cirut, they can hold their own i think, sure they wont have the top end of some cars but they would be out braking and out cornering most of them thats for sure. In my opinion, AE86's are 100% drivers cars, hence they make excellent street/mild track cars.
lets not forget the reason they do so well in drift series.
BALANCE!
its so important.
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Fri, 23 January 2004 05:59
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hell yeah..
Its very similar to my FC which has got a 51/49 balance.
Initiating feints, power overs, and understeering inducing/deterring methods are very very similar.
Though I could do more fun things in the ae86 (not mine, cause mines stock, but my friends jdm one). Hopefully mine soon
Driver feedback is bloody great. Rx7 is good too. though it only shines off public roads where you are free to speed.
On the roads though. Rx7 grips well (maybe cause of the 8 inch tyres haha), and you could corner with more throttle.
I guess it's got better road holding ability.. but a lot of people mistake this for HANDLING, in which they are wrong.
rock on.
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Fri, 23 January 2004 06:00
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There was an interesting article sometime ago in a Zoom magazine I think it was, maybe fast 4s.. anyway..
It was a comparision between 2 cars on a track, one had suspension/handling mods, one had power up mods. The one with handling mods was the quickest, not by a lot but it does go to show a well handling car can out perform a big HP car.
I like the 4age ae86 as you can floor it through the corners and keep it in control. Unreal feeling...
Most people just see them as a nothing special corolla.. But once you drive one with the right handling mods you'd be very suprised.
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Fri, 23 January 2004 06:02
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I'd like to get some corner weights of the RA28 to see what the balance is.. I've heard 51/49 or there abouts can be better than 50/50 as less understeering problems?
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Fri, 23 January 2004 06:35
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i agree
nice quote shcao
all you need to do is look at the D1 Grand Prix
what car won? oh yeah an ae86.... with 210hp
and what cars did it beat?
fd3s
fc3s
r34
r33
s13/s14/s15's
cefiros
supras
other ae86's
nuff said
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Fri, 23 January 2004 06:49
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d1 last year was pretty good though..
the red s15 one..
that maroon 86 came so close
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Fri, 23 January 2004 16:43
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| Simon-MrRx7 wrote on Thu, 22 January 2004 12:02 |
ive finally got it handling damn nicely, thanks to my adjustable rear shocks i can have them on soft for excellent grip and then wind them up when i attend drift days. It weighs 890 kgs also. The steering feed back is incredible, if i ran over a 5 cent coin i'd be able to tell you which side it was faceing up.
the turn in is incredible, there is NO understeer whatso ever, the directness is lethal, and whats more, its still a pussy to drive on the highway.
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Hey Simon! Good to hear you sorted out that vagueness in the steering - so I take that it all just came down to sloppy suspension? Not anything to do with an iffy steering rack or sway bars?
I'll soon be going for harder springs so hopefully that should take care of my handling problems as well ... 
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Fri, 23 January 2004 21:48
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they're ok... almost competitive against my little sis' starion... 
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Sat, 24 January 2004 04:13
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hehehe.. that japanese couldn't pronounce Stallion,
so they called it Starion..
then they covered it up by saying it's the "star of orion"..
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Sat, 24 January 2004 09:39
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Handles better than-
2wd Hilix
80 series Lancruiser
Rav4
Nissan Pintara Wagon
Ford Telstar
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Sat, 24 January 2004 10:19
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OK, your looking at an Initial D fan here....and I'm proud to admit it...HOWEVER...there are things that need to be resolved here.
Yes, initial D gave me my facination in AE-86's but every other car too.
You see, before I even watched this anime, I wasn't the slighest interested in cars because I thought they where just to get you to A to B and after watching numerous nascar races etc, it really killed my idea of cars.
Initial D is great for me as it shows that real car enthusiasts care so much for their car. In initial D, they drive their cars like it was an attachment of themselves, they really care for their cars, they work on them constantly, its like a hobby and passion.
Now watching this, gave me my interest in not only toyotas but many other cars. If you asked me to point to the brake fluid cap in an engine bay, i would not be able to find it. Initial D gave me my first taste in engine mods, car mods, car driving, etc. This spurged more interest to the point where I can now look at some engines and know exactly what they are, and my knowledge is continuously increasing.
Another thing about Initial D is it also shows what problems driving can cause. In one ep, Takumi's Friend Itsuki, thinks he is a great street racer and trys to drift and fails miserably and crashes. That brings back most (sane) people back to reality about how much PRACTISE is needed.
There is a comedy side to it too....I dare u to watch a couple of episodes when itsuki is in it and listen to him whinge and whine, its SO DAMN FUNNY! especially how hes says 'cool'.
In meaning, the people that want AE-86's just cause they think they are as good as Tak's are complete MORONS and they need to watch the entire series cause of these reasons.
1. Tak was a shit driver when he first started in the 86
2. Tak's Dad has been modifying it for YEARS as he was a
professional drifter, so it does not mean that all AE-86 are
as good
3. It is completly HIGHLY modified, and yes its can be done up
to its standard as they sold a replica months ago for around
20,000
4. the AE-86 ISN'T the best car on how to drift, it is quite
difficult and it is explained in the anime, its a car that
teaches the driver as you aren't given luxuries such as ABS
etc. The driver will learn how to drive like these mods
where on.
So when ditching Initial D, please don't. I know there might be guys and gals that ruin it, but if it wasn't for that anime, I wouldn't be where I would be now.
EDIT: and if they wannabe Takumi's realised these reasons, maybe they would get out of the daytona arcade game ideas of the AE-86......you know, like in daytona, the enthuiasts of that game think they can drift a real car by just turning the wheel (don't think i'm stoopid cause I've seen it happen)???? Well these morons need to realise buying a AE-86 will NOT make u a drifting superstar!
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Sat, 24 January 2004 10:21
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| wraith wrote on Sat, 24 January 2004 19:39 |
Handles better than-
2wd Hilix
80 series Lancruiser
Rav4
Nissan Pintara Wagon
Ford Telstar
Toyota Camry
AE 82 Corolla Twin Cam
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a fairly pointless post mate
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Sat, 24 January 2004 15:27
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Sprinter = good handling after slightly modded [better than some when those r slightly modded as well]
Just my opinion of course .. the fact that it's rwd + the weight advantage already has to say something right there.
Handling wise i'd say they're good compared to other cars esp for it's age. it may not hold long corners as well [acutally i woudln't be too sure, cos i've never driven a sprinter with decent tyres] but in a twisty situation they should give heaps of cars a run for their money.
Here's a list of car's I have driven -
S13 Silvia
180sx
Commodore VK, VL
Stock sprinter
4ac Sprinter with chopped springs
4ac Sprinter with ok suspension
My current ae86
Pulsar Ti with lowered springs
Skyline R32 gtst decent suspension
4age Sprinter with stock suspension
4ag Sprinter with chopped suspension
Ford TX3 Turbo
S3 RX7
Camry SV21
Ok I won't even bother commenting on the family cars.
Actually I won't really bother commenting on how the others drove. I can say if my 4ac sprinter with ok suspension had at least an 86kw 4age, it should be able to beat all the cars in the list in the twisties.
I have ran against my friend in his r32 using my ae86. I was leading and didn't know the track too well, so i was very easy to follow. However I kept out braking him .. Entering corners looking into rear view mirror I can see him drag behind a tiny bit but then catch up to me in no time during the corner exit.
Sadly all ae86's I have drove all had sorta bald tyres, or at least on the front. In no way should you think of a stock sprinter in handling terms compared to even the most slightest modded sprinter.
Just add 35mm king springs to a 4ac sprinter vs a stock 4age sprinter. And the 4ac sprinter will have no probs vs a 4age sprinter.
Previous experiences vs other cars:
I had my 4ac sprinter with 35mm king springs, pedders shocks, whiteline swaybars. wrong offset bald tyre front wheels .. 81-83 laser stock wheels on the rear [thin as, and very wrong offset .. my friend was testing my rims on his car ]..In the twisties it had soo much roll in the rear due the rear tyres sitting inside so far. Yet an s13 who was just able to tag along had a lot of trouble just keeping up.
my current ae86 vs 4age sprinter vs wrx wagon
Left them both for dead in a 3 minute drive? they took at least 40 seconds to catch while I waited at the end. [no exaggeration. I was about to turn around to check if they had stacked]. Also that was the 2nd day I had the car, I probably was only 10 seconds faster than I was in my old 4ac Sprinter with ok suspension.
current ae86 vs 180sx
Completely lost the 180 after 2-3 corners
The only other car besides ae86 that i had driven in the twisties tho was the 180 with decent suspension. And it was ok, but I reckon my ae86 was still more quick despite being slower in a striaght line. Of course there is always the question of driver skills tho, so that almost make everything i've typed so far invalid. but i've used the energy to babble so u's better read it! 
Some cars may feel they handle better, but put them both to the limit, and you'll find the ae86 being easier to control once u learn it. Not saying it's the greatest handling car, but could give most cars a run for their money as said before. Also probably one of the most fun cars to drive due to it's slight tendancy to oversteer.
EDIT: Just realised half of this is pointless babbling .. well it's late .. so yeh
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Re: AE86 Sprinter handling: good or bad?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 03:47
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I love my AE-86 and it handles better than I have ability to drive it. Bit of a dog with 185s on the front and 205s on the back- she understeers something cruel, though I'll be rectifying this soon. Reading your posts just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling about owning a Sprinter
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