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 rollcages in ae86's
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Sun, 04 August 2002 14:04
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are these street-legal in qld? or any state in australia for that matter
i was looking to get one put in for safety purposes (ie drift..shit understeer... roll...roll.. bang..and ill still have my legs/head..lets hope  )
whts the rules concerning cages in aus?
thanks fellas
ps. hi im new here, got my ae86, and im ready to rock 
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Mon, 05 August 2002 09:54
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can anyone help out?
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Mon, 05 August 2002 12:11
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Speak to the people that make the cages mate! They can be made to be street legal! As far as i know, in QLD you cant have the side intrusion bars fitted!
But just call anyone that makes them, they can tell you everything you need to know!
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Mon, 05 August 2002 14:35
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theres a reason rollcages are hard to get legal in steet cars......cos they are extremely dangerous !!!
if you find a car with a cage in it try smashing your skull into the pipe at about 50 km/h and see how safe it is
you want the cage, you MUST use a helmet, and full harness belts to stop your head reaching the cage in a collision
Cam
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Mon, 05 August 2002 14:46
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but dont the pipes have to be protected by foam anyway?
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Mon, 05 August 2002 15:05
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yeah thats so the do gooders at CAMS have something to talk about at morning tea
trust me ive seen the results of a rally car having an accident on a touring stage....lets just say the codriver doesnt know his name anymore
a set of harness belts is a good idea ..though i think some states have a rule that it restricts movement too much which is pretty right and thats why alot of rally cars still have 3 point belts for touring stages
Cam
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Mon, 05 August 2002 21:25
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Contrary to some of what's been said so far,cages are a good idea.
if you go a proper weld-in design,you'll increase the body rigidity of the vehicle as well,something the AE86 can definitely use.
talk to your local authorities about what is legal in your area,and then decide if you want one in your street car.
in NSW,you have to sacrifice quite a bit to run a cage-the car has to be re-registered as a two seater,any parts of the cage that surround the occupants have to be a set distance away when you're in the seat(to prevent coming into contact with the cage in an accident),and padded.
permanent side intrusion bars are not permitted any longer.
if you're going to go for a cage,you'd want to already have a pair of good seats,and be using harnesses. besides keeping you in place if you have a problem,you can drive a car considerably harder when you're held in properly.
bond roll bars would be a good place to start. failing that,ask around the rally boy traps for who knows what they're doing in this area.
Justin...
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Tue, 06 August 2002 03:49
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ouch those 3 point harness belts are a nasty piece of work too
try and get a crutch belt added, it stops the lap belt riding up and crushing your chest in head on accidents
Sorry to seem like a safety nut about all this, dont get me wrong i know a rollcage is a safety item but only if you use ALL of the gear as a complete package
If you are hell bent on having a cage in there id say have a main hoop and backstays and thats it, this setup will still offer protection from a roof collapse but not get in the way of everyday driving
Cam
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Tue, 06 August 2002 08:13
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I'd stay away from the 5 clip harness if you are a male! If you hit a tree or the like head on, you will regret it for months! Trust me about this I know! The 4 clip harness will be fine if your using a bucket seat with the straps through the sides!
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Tue, 06 August 2002 08:23
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Id rather have sore nuts than a smashed sternum anyday , the crutch belt is designed to stop the lap belts sliding up your chest
if ya so worried about it get a harness with double crutch straps
Cam
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Tue, 06 August 2002 08:27
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The belts wont slide up to your chest if they are going through the sides of the seat!
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Tue, 06 August 2002 08:55
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yeah but even with a good set of 3" wide belts, a decent hit can stretch the lap and shoulder belts upto 30cm(depending on length), and if your body is still going forward...where are you gonna end up ?!?!
ive hit a tree at about 100ks and my lap belt made it up my chest enough to damage my lower ribs and that was with a crutch belt !!
Cam
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Tue, 06 August 2002 09:30
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You must of been using cheap shit!
I would never go back to have a strap over ya nut sack once you've hit a tree at over 115kmh with one! I was laying on my back for just about 4 weeks when it happened to me!
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Tue, 06 August 2002 13:51
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so i should get the 4 point harness? or the 5 point?
i am intent on having all of the gear, i dont wanna die but i want to drift safely (track and dirt only, ) so i have to get all this stuff
any brands recommended for harness+seat packages
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Wed, 07 August 2002 02:40
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Well what would you rather? Sore ribs or swallen balls for a month? 
As for what brands, only some can be used legally on the track! Dont ask me which ones 
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Re: rollcages in ae86's
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Wed, 07 August 2002 03:51
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the only brand harness ive ever used is Willans....its good enough for alot of the WRC teams.....v8 supercar teams....F1......its FIA legal ........yeah it musta been real shit
Cam
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