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I supported Toymods
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carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 05:31
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Someone mentioned to me today that some carbie cleaners are in fact just lacquer thinner - and then I finally recognised where I'd smelt carbie cleaner before - cleaning out paint guns with lacquer thinner!
is this true? Because a $5 drum of lacquer thinner would be much nicer than buying can after can of carbie cleaner
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 05:49
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Hmm, I dunno, but do some investigating.
I can remember that the Trottle Body Cleaner I used had a distinctive smell, but it smelt more like coconut from memory
On a side note, can anyone recommened a good TB Cleaner? I'm gonna need a few cans for the UZ next week
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BrisVegas---YeeeHAW
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 05:53
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laquer thinners is different to industrial thinners or two-pack thinners, BUT they all smell the same
for what its worth i knew a guy who restored old holdens and found one that had been sitting for 30 odd years untouched, it wouldnt start, so he poured thinners down the carb throat to get it running, so it cant be bad for it at all, im sure the proper name for thinners is toleune which is a key ingredient in our regular fuel and does have a higher octane rating
just be sure to get the right one
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 06:18
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would they all be cool with like oxygen sensors etc though???
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 06:35
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"Laquer thinners" is a term can be used to cover a broad range of solvents and solvent blends - and toluene is just one of those solvents - some others are xylene, MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) and acetone.
Carby cleaner would be a similar blend of these solvents, and sometime will also contain various ethers to dissolve the grease and filth. You could use a laquer thinner to clean carbies just as easily, but be aware that some thinners will contain solvents that may dissolve or embrittle platic and rubber fittings and hoses whereas a "carbie cleaner" should do none of those things.
If you are truly value conscious, ask of an MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for both the carbie cleaner and laquer thinners. They will give some indication of the solvency mix and if they are similar (type and approx level of solvent) than Robert's your fathers brother 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 07:19
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well, since large parts of the engine are hanging off now, I want to soak bits of it in a tub of thinner, scrub them down, then let them dry - and since I'll be buying a relatively large volume, I'd rather save waht I can
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 07:42
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ask stewart (oldcorollas) for a link to some web site with MSDS for all kinds of nasty chemicals.
or maybe search for emails written by him.
you might find that paint thinner - toluene, xylene, et al might prove a little too reactive (excessive surface oxidization) for aluminium bits.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 07:56
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yeah, I dont want to use pain thinner
I'm thinking lacquer thinner to soak the aluminium bits, and straight old carbie cleaner for plastic bits
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Club Member
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 08:06
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i remeber being told you can access the databank of all chemical msds online somewhere.. maybe part of csiro or something like that
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 08:06
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i remeber being told you can access the databank of all chemical msds online somewhere.. maybe part of csiro or something like that
edit: poisons information centre?
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BrisVegas---YeeeHAW
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 08:07
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laquer thinner is a paint thinner....acrylic laquer, same paint you can use for cars
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 09:06
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greg, if youre wanting to soak parts, then use $6 4L container of KOALA degreaser. very gentle degreaser, and acts over 1/2hr or more, but will make everything VERY shiny indeed.
the lacquer thinner / carby cleaner is good for instant solvent use for the small, inpatient parts
ps: ill get my machinist to look on the drum of solvent he uses, and get the mix profile the manufacturer is just aruond the corner from him too... want a 40G drum  ??
cheers
ed
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 09:52
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 29 January 2004 17:06 |
greg, if youre wanting to soak parts, then use $6 4L container of KOALA degreaser. very gentle degreaser, and acts over 1/2hr or more, but will make everything VERY shiny indeed.
the lacquer thinner / carby cleaner is good for instant solvent use for the small, inpatient parts
ps: ill get my machinist to look on the drum of solvent he uses, and get the mix profile the manufacturer is just aruond the corner from him too... want a 40G drum ??
cheers
ed
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Are you sure? I tried that, and it was REALLY crap compared to the stuff I'd been using at $2 a can.
I personally would be using a high concentration dose of Marine Clean with hot water. I tried a multitude of things to clean my engine bay and this ripped off all the grease a LOT better than anything else. http://www.ppc.au.com on there somewhere...
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 10:49
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 29 January 2004 20:52 |
Are you sure? I tried that, and it was REALLY crap compared to the stuff I'd been using at $2 a can.
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i rate this stuff as highly as i rate por15
gives you some idea how sure i am
cheers
ed
PS ill bing some down, you can tell frank what you think 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 14:51
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hrm, might pick me up some of that koala stuff ed - I'm planning on soaking everyhitng tomorrow, plus removing every pulley and painting before sat, when it can all go back on
the pulleys just look so ... ordinary when the paint is flaking off and you can see rust underneath.
plus more than 1 of them needs the guides straightened out a bit
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Thu, 29 January 2004 23:38
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I might pick some more up and try it, maybe I didn't leave it long enough...still, I'd still recommend Marine Clean regardless, that shit is freaky (just like most products PPC sell) 
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 00:36
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You should be able to get an MSDS off the supplier/manufacturer of the product. By law they have to provide them upon request to anyone who is using their products. There should be a number or contact details on the cans since they are classified as Posions/Dangerous Goods.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 02:25
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frank - where can you pick up marine clean?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 02:37
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i am interested in the thinners idea, i just tried it out but it dries too quick and dosnt allow time to wash off, also it burns your skin
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 04:45
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im pretty sure its nail polish remover (acetone) because if you get it on your hand it feels cold and dries really quickly like acetone does.
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 05:42
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its definetly not acetone
that much i can be certain of
(i used to work with acetone, practically swam in the stuff)
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 06:23
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| 79rollaboy wrote on Fri, 30 January 2004 15:15 |
im pretty sure its nail polish remover (acetone) because if you get it on your hand it feels cold and dries really quickly like acetone does.
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I don't want to be rude but there are heaps of organic solvents with low boiling points/vapour pressures and all will evaporate quickly, absorbing energy (heat) and thus making your hand feel cold.
You should be careful making comparison via the "cold hand test" as a number of organic solvents will actually be absorbed into your skin and may cause rashes, allergic reactions etc.
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 07:29
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acetone will disolve certain types of plastic so be careful.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 08:21
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Nah, tis all good man, I'll just try it on something else down the track, it was just a bit of alloy inlet piping I was trying it on, and it didn't remove squat of the stuff inside...very odd
Ah well, I'll just Marine Clean it 
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Re: carbie cleaner = lacquer thinner?
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Fri, 30 January 2004 08:23
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like i said, bizzare 
funny you should mention that bit of pipe. i also used it to clean my intake pipe (which used to be a truck exhaust) and it stripped all the old carbon and exhaust crap from the inside of the pipe no probs...
*shrugs*
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Fri, 30 January 2004 10:34
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ok im sorry everyone its not acetone, oh yeh like avgas has a low boiling point, i remember at work experience we were squirtin it on the ground and watching it "disapear"
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