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October 2002
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Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Thu, 29 January 2004 06:35
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Hey guys, just put a deposit on a 3sgte and am now wondering what type of gearbox i will need for the job of transferring it into the st162. Can the standard gt4 box be used? i have heard that you can use the camry tranny from the sv21.
Please, only leave a reply if you know what you are talking about... thanks guys
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Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Thu, 29 January 2004 07:12
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e153 from mr2 turbo  needs some tweaking for the linkages but gives you a tough 2wd box with lsd to boot
its the tranny im planning on using for my conversion into my st184
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Thu, 29 January 2004 07:33
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Thanks mate, i'll look into it
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Fri, 30 January 2004 23:18
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Any ideas that arent as difficult as converting a MR gearbox to FWD?
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Sat, 31 January 2004 01:07
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V6 Camry is about the next best, but the MR2 one is the right one to be using, it IS effectively a FWD box with the linkages back to front.
The only other option is a GT4 box and locking off the 4WD...which is a LOT harder.
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Location:
Branxton
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January 2003
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Newcastle
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July 2003
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Sat, 31 January 2004 01:48
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from what ive looked into and ppl ive spoken to it isnt that bad. remembering whats hiding in the mr2 is in essence a fwd setup moved back 4'
and remember your get not only a tough box but lsd
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Canberra
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April 2003
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Sat, 31 January 2004 11:26
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Ok Ben I thought you already knew the options for the tranny to use, there is:
The SV21 camry box (pretty standard, may or may not last)
The MR2 Turbo box (stronger, it's all setup for a turbo, Very hard to find, if you do they cost..... alot, plus you need to get MR2 driveshafts and attach the GT4 outer CV's to the mr2 driveshafts, swap the linkages over from the GT4 box, and presto [probably cost more than your engine though])
The GT4 box (This is the option I am using, weld the visciuos couplings together and lock it in 2WD, box is very heavy compared to a FWD box, very experimental, and will cost alot to do this)
The V6 camry box (bellhousing won't fit, will need to get a broken MR2 turbo box and take the bellhousing off and bolt it onto the V6 box [note a stuffed MR2 box will still be rather expensive])
The 4AGZE box (same as the V6 camry box, need to do a bell housing swap, don't know what driveshafts you would need to use though)
These were the only options that I found viable when I looked into my 3SGTE swap.
Ben are you looking at doing this very soon, are you still going the gen3 engine?
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Wahroonga
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June 2003
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Sat, 31 January 2004 12:14
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Wiso, knows what he is saying. i would have said it but he got here first. I am currently using an SV21 box, since i have had it on the road for less than 1 month and haven't been driving it hard i won't comment on the strength of the box as i have not yet fully tested it.
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Wed, 04 February 2004 13:17
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Hmm. you make some interesting points joel. i'll look into some of those ideas
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Canberra
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April 2003
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Wed, 04 February 2004 13:27
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you probably could use the SV21 box it may be strong enough, but it probably won't be, the SV21 box has enough trouble handling the 150kw gen2 3SGTE let alone the 180+kw gen3, so even the slighteset strap with that you'd more than likely be up for a new box.
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Wed, 04 February 2004 13:31
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damn... i meant 1mz
just wondering what relation the 1mz/3s/5s etc have in terms of ability to swap bellhousing around...
ie, would a 2s (rwd w58 bellhousing from sa63 celica) mount to 1mz for rwd installation ?
hmmmm
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Wed, 04 February 2004 23:56
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Wed, 04 February 2004 21:31 |
ie, would a 2s (rwd w58 bellhousing from sa63 celica) mount to 1mz for rwd installation?
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Well, if a V6 Camry box (1MZFE) requires an MR2 bellhousing (3S) to fit to a 3SGTE, I'd say your chances of it fitting to be slim to none 
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May 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Thu, 05 February 2004 11:49
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I believe I "may" still have some broken MR2 turbo boxes?
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Wahroonga
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June 2003
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Thu, 05 February 2004 23:44
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jase
how much would u sell them for? and do u know how much it would be to get it rebuilt?
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Location:
Canberra
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August 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Fri, 06 February 2004 03:18
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car will be written off in a week anyways 
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May 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Sat, 07 February 2004 09:36
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Rebuilt?
Maybe the diff would be okay in the transaxle....
I always looked at rebuild costs, time off road, etc. and just bought another one. But if its the belhousing you want, that'd be fine. I know where I left them...just need to see if they're still there.
And, Doctakay, don't discourage people from the v6 box. They're on the right track. Compare some part numbers on internal components in the late model turbo mr2's in japan and the late model v6 gearboxes.
The reason mr2's break boxes is traction. Your sv21/st162 won't have this issue.
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Central Coast
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June 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Sat, 07 February 2004 12:28
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have done the conversion, i used the MR2 turbo box with the LSD. I would never recommend anyone to do this the cost is too high. I had to machine drive shafts which you have to buy separately if they dont come with the box, then you have to use the celica c/v's which will smash to bits if you put your foot down in a corner. I have a friend who did the same conversion and he used the box out of a 3SFE celica, he has recuild the box once in 100000kms and that is the only problem he has had.
just my 2 cents
Hope it helps
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Location:
Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Mon, 29 March 2004 11:35
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Maybe, but i'm pretty sure all 4 of my mags are still in original condition...
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Location:
Newcastle
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August 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Mon, 29 March 2004 12:03
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My mate, put a 3SGTE (from st165) into a st184 and used the 5SFE box with new syncros in second and fifth. Its has been in for about 15000kms and is still good.
Does anyone see this as a weakness if 150kw at the treds was reached?
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Location:
Canberra
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August 2002
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Mon, 29 March 2004 13:21
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| benmeyer wrote on Mon, 29 March 2004 21:35 |
Maybe, but i'm pretty sure all 4 of my mags are still in original condition...
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pitty you cant say the same for ur daddys pajero.
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Victoria
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February 2004
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Location:
Canberra
Registered:
October 2002
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Location:
Wahroonga
Registered:
June 2003
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Re: Suitable gearbox for 3SGTE conv. into ST162
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Tue, 30 March 2004 07:09
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thx for that link techie, it helps with my current mod.
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