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Fri, 30 January 2004 03:25
 
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I don't know what they can do about the city pursuits but currently the police are not allowed to go over 130km in highway pursuits in QLD anyway. Actually now that I think about it, i think they should go easy in city pursuits and get rid of the speed limit for highway pursuits. Obviously this is because there are more innocent people at risk in the city than on highways.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 03:44
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Perhaps they should teach people not to run from the Police.
I wouldn't run if I knew I would be treated fairly by the cops, however I can't be sure of that. They have this whole "we are the law, don't fuck with us" thing going on, and that's just gonna make people run scared. When I was on South Road and I was flashed by the Police, the first thing that went through my mind was "I can get away, just take a side street". After turning down the side street I realized that of course I couldn't get away, and I shouldn't even want to get away. Anyway, they pulled me over, and the cop was all "Don't run from us, otherwise I'll assume the car is stolen. I WILL pull you out of your car at gun point if I need to." See now that just makes me think next time the cops see me speeding I should just be driving something that can get away, not "Well he is right, next time I'll stop right away." like I should.
We are taught to be afraid of the Police, not to respect them. People run from what they are afraid of, it's as simple as that.
I think one of the first things they need to do is get rid of stationary speed cameras (Leave red light cameras) as this just makes people pissed off at "the man" and people don't discern the difference between Speed cameras and Cops.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 05:45
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| Shraka wrote on Fri, 30 January 2004 14:44 |
We are taught to be afraid of the Police, not to respect them. People run from what they are afraid of, it's as simple as that.
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That's because they have guns , battons and pepper spray. I've been walking down the street minding my own business and police have pulled up very fast near me with lights going , when they got out one had the batton already in hand and the other had his gun drawn.
Call me stupid , but the second they looked at me I ran like buggery. Too many instances of break spine first , ask questions later for my liking.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 05:46
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| Conquest wrote on Fri, 30 January 2004 13:56 |
Second case in Sydney a few weeks ago, a 53yo tries to outrun police in his own car & crashes at an intersection, killing a 3 year old girl and injuring her parents. Now rather than running a 2 page sob story in the paper about how he was such a good father and a nice bloke, maybe they should run a story about the innocent family involved and how the parents will never get to see their little girl grow up.
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i have literally just come upstairs from theatre, where, 3 weeks after the accident, we are STILL piecing this womans smashed body back together.
and i stil voted 'no'
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Brisbane
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Fri, 30 January 2004 07:01
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My car was parked on a lonely side street next to a park 1 night and i went to get it at about 3 am..(this is before i got central locking working again) so i was walking up to it about to put my key in when cops pulled up and said "back the fuck away from the car"... didnt even think in their minds that it might be my car.. then they questioned me why i was walking up to a car at 3 am in the morning thats parked next to a park...
I used to often get pulled over for rude breathalizers too...
My mate had a bb gun in his car and when the police saw that they put him to the ground with gun to back of his head and arms folded and were getting up him about having a dangerous weapon in his car...
Everytime i see a police car I think "fuck off, here we go again.. im gonna get pulled over AGAIN" and when they are behind me I always try to get rid of them.. if its just stopping in a shop for s second or turning down a side street.. cause they are all wankers
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Fri, 30 January 2004 13:20
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| Jag7799 wrote on Fri, 30 January 2004 18:01 |
.. cause they are all wankers
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And I spose you've met them all ?
Don't be so immature. And I bet your probably older than me.
On the topic. Maybe people should get the message and not do the wrong thing. I'm talking about the police chases here.
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Fri, 30 January 2004 14:40
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| T APLUS 22 wrote on Sat, 31 January 2004 00:20 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Fri, 30 January 2004 18:01 |
.. cause they are all wankers
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And I spose you've met them all ?
Don't be so immature. And I bet your probably older than me.
On the topic. Maybe people should get the message and not do the wrong thing. I'm talking about the police chases here.
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obviously some are cool.. but all the ones that pull me over for no reason are wankers(hence the only ones i meet).. and im only 19
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Sat, 31 January 2004 14:40
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| T APLUS 22 wrote on Sat, 31 January 2004 00:20 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Fri, 30 January 2004 18:01 |
.. cause they are all wankers
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And I spose you've met them all ?
Don't be so immature. And I bet your probably older than me.
On the topic. Maybe people should get the message and not do the wrong thing. I'm talking about the police chases here.
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Cops are like bouncers, some are cool, some are power tripping wankers! I know half the heat in my area are bent. A lot of ilegitement shit goes on where i live.
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Sun, 01 February 2004 00:00
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If you run your guilty of something!
I really think .05 is a joke it should be .02 anything over warning and a fine for first offence, second offence 12 months and canceled licence, most of the fools that run are intoxicated/drug fucked and IMHO fill the car with bullet holes, there no loss to the human race!
Allan
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Sun, 01 February 2004 00:34
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I agree. I never drive at 0.05 (although that may have something to do with my driving style - I need my wits about me)
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Re: Should ALL police pursuits be abandoned?
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Sun, 01 February 2004 00:46
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define pursuit tho, if a cop chases down a car ALREADY going 170k and they slow down to pull over then thats ok, but if the car accelerates more then back off, dont push thru to 250k,
i watched real TV on cable the other day and cops pursued a 12 year old kid who stole a car thru to 120mph  , what kind of a fuckwit operation are those US troopers running, the pursuit was as slow as in some spots so the could have tapped the car and turned it round, but no lets follow him to 120mph {200k} and wait till he tries to take a corner and barrel rolls.
luckily the only thing hurt was the car, kid had a scratch.
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I really think .05 is a joke it should be .02 anything over warning and a fine for first offence, second offence 12 months and canceled licence, most of the fools that run are intoxicated/drug fucked and IMHO fill the car with bullet holes, there no loss to the human race!
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my boss got caught with a B.A.C of .157 he lost his licence for 12 months and cant get a day licence, and since hes single he is chronically fucked, he cant do shit, he has to catch a taxi everywhere, and i think he deserved every bit of, and if he drives and gets caught, he goes to jail, now thats justice.
the cops said they could smell the booze as soon as he wound down the window.
i'm lucky, i rarely get pulled over, cops look at my car and just turn away, the only time i have been pulled over for no reason was at 1 inthe morn on a notorious road for speeding, they followed me and waited till i pulled into my mates work off the road and then just pulled up behind me and hit the siren for a sec and breathalized me, and said my rears were getting a bit low and said have a good night,
then again my brother in law got pulled over for taking a corner too fast {still in the speed limit, but its a slow corner}, one cop went to each window with a torch and shone it on him and my sister
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cop: why were u driving like a fuckhead back there
laurie: excuse me
cop: u were driving like a fuck wit back there
laurie: {something like this}: u cant talk to me like that
and he just drove away with both cops still bent over looking in the windows, and they didnt follow him, just wanted to be cockheads {he drives a S14}
but no not all should be abandoned, police will have to use discression {uh-oh} to figure out whether to keep going or back off,
but look what happened over last few years when cops have been allowed to use their discression to do their job, its been one fuck-up after another, they should make a "book" to adhere to cause if they allow cops to "think" by themselfes then we r all fucked
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Re: Should ALL police pursuits be abandoned?
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Sun, 01 February 2004 00:52
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I'm with Draven and Allan. The limit should be set at 0.02, and the punishment should be a little more lenient, as long as your still under 0.05.
They need to stop Cop corruption, and teach the cops to be nicer. If the Cop actualy gets it wrong, (ie, it picking on someone who is just going to their car late at night) then they should appologise, and perhaps the Police department should have to pay some compensation. Like, if they point a gun at you unjustly, they should pay you $400. It's not saying "Sorry, we shouldn't point guns at people", more "Sorry, we where wrong this time". If they detain you for more than 10 minutes unjustly, then the Police department should be up for $200. Or something like that. Just something to let people know that if your doing the right thing and they mess with you, they will say sorry... via money. 
It's like a fine, only they pay it to you.
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Sun, 01 February 2004 00:58
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hahah Skraka, i doubt there would be any chance of that EVERY happenning
if i was a cop, id just keep geting my gf unjustly to have some extra play money
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Sun, 01 February 2004 01:03
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And come up for review? And get kicked off the force and fined all the money plus some? I don't think ya would be doing that.
I know it's never going to happen, 'cuz the govornment are greedy bastards who think we are there to support their "industry", being the country. What they keep forgetting is that they are here for us, not the other way around.
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Sun, 01 February 2004 01:22
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| Shraka wrote on Sun, 01 February 2004 11:52 |
I'm with Draven and Allan. The limit should be set at 0.02, and the punishment should be a little more lenient, as long as your still under 0.05.
They need to stop Cop corruption, and teach the cops to be nicer. If the Cop actualy gets it wrong, (ie, it picking on someone who is just going to their car late at night) then they should appologise, and perhaps the Police department should have to pay some compensation. Like, if they point a gun at you unjustly, they should pay you $400. It's not saying "Sorry, we shouldn't point guns at people", more "Sorry, we where wrong this time". If they detain you for more than 10 minutes unjustly, then the Police department should be up for $200. Or something like that. Just something to let people know that if your doing the right thing and they mess with you, they will say sorry... via money.
It's like a fine, only they pay it to you.
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sounds like a good idea, except all the smackheads and dropkicks will insist that the cops owe them money for no reason which will result in the cops acting with even less thought than they do right now
i think half of the fines the cops have are stupid, such as fines for not wearing a seatbelt for instance....we have to fine you becuase you put your self in danger, errr just let the fuckheads learn the hard way and die, one less gronk on the road
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Sun, 01 February 2004 01:37
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and how does the person who hits the car with the people with no seatbelts feel?
instead of "I just hurt 5 people" it wouild be "I just killed 5 people"
and the ambos who have to remove the passenger seat to get the remains of the back seat passenger out from under there
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Re: Should ALL police pursuits be abandoned?
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Sun, 01 February 2004 01:54
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Once again, with draven.
The actualy officers wouldn't have to pay the money, it would be the Police department. If an offer gets it wrong he just has to say sorry. He doesn't get a salary cut or anything like that. It's not his fault, it was just a mistake. Unles it wasn't a mistake, then the officer could be in trouble.
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Sun, 01 February 2004 02:03
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shraka you are missing my first point, for example
if a copper catches you do an illegal turn they just book you and it is assumed that since the cop saw you do it, it is true unless you can prove otherwise which is pretty hard
your proposal is if you get pulled up and a cop is rude then YOU can say he was rude where is my money, and the cop will say i was not rude... who do you think will win
unless you have a video camera carried around with you everywhere AND have the cops permission to video them AND THEN they are rude that would be the only evidence to win such a stupid matter
just not worth it
i do agree with you they should be held accountable for their actions but realistically it would just get in between them doing a job
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Re: Should ALL police pursuits be abandoned?
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Sun, 01 February 2004 03:14
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We should all do a 1 8 7 on cops! cant stand them hate them with a passion 
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Sun, 01 February 2004 05:00
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well, that's obviously a very well informed and intelligent opinion there nigz, and typical of people who don't really put a lot of thought into their responses or prejudices
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Re: Should ALL police pursuits be abandoned?
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Sun, 01 February 2004 06:16
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| ThatDogsFullySickMate wrote on Sun, 01 February 2004 11:22 |
i think half of the fines the cops have are stupid, such as fines for not wearing a seatbelt for instance....we have to fine you becuase you put your self in danger, errr just let the fuckheads learn the hard way and die, one less gronk on the road
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i think that is the stupidist fucking thing i have ever heard anyone say on this forum, why shouldnt u get fined, its called a DETERENT, its stops u from breaking the law,
if its so fucking stupid then why do they put them in cars in the first place, for looks, i dont think so, i think he logic behind it was to stop ppl from dying, but thats just silly.
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Sun, 01 February 2004 07:35
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look mr angry head
what i meant was why is it a law, because if you dont wear a seatbelt and have an accident you will probably die, that should be a deterrent in itself and if you are too stupid to care about your safety what good is a fine going to do
so settle the fuck down ok
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Sun, 01 February 2004 07:40
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wait, i think THAT was the stupidist thing.
"ah fuck it why should i wear a seatbelt, that isnt COOL, oops, someone just ran a red light, i'm dead, better wear a seat belt next time"
because its up to parents to teach kids who are too young to know to put their belt on, so if they have dumb shit parents the young kids deserve to die, is that the basic jist of it
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Sun, 01 February 2004 07:54
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which obviously reflects on all cops.
it actually reflects the prejudices of a small number of the police in your area who pulled you over.
And the reason you got pulled over so many times is probably because you fit a stereotype of the sort of person who *is* frequently involved in criminal activities, even if you personally are not.
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Sun, 01 February 2004 08:07
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phil what is your problem, i agree with what you are saying man they should wear seatbelts
if they have no common sense to wear a seatbelt they could die ok, based on that if they have no common sense, obviously a fine from a copper isnt going to magically make them think or grow a brain instantly
jesus, a guy cant even express an opinion on these forums without being attacked about it, even when its the same opinion as the person who is attacking the guy
phil, go eat a cake, have a beer, roll a scoob, take some valium or whatever floats your boat maybe all of the above and just relax ok, im trying to relax over here so just relax already
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Sun, 01 February 2004 08:11
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Like some cops are really cool i have meet before  but there is alot who are bunch of pricks just looking for trouble and ask why did we get gang bashed. Yeah i have copped fair bit of fines too, but i dont like cops and got no respect for the law or anytihng to do with it
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Sun, 01 February 2004 08:16
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| ThatDogsFullySickMate wrote on Sun, 01 February 2004 18:07 |
phil what is your problem, i agree with what you are saying man they should wear seatbelts
if they have no common sense to wear a seatbelt they could die ok, based on that if they have no common sense, obviously a fine from a copper isnt going to magically make them think or grow a brain instantly
jesus, a guy cant even express an opinion on these forums without being attacked about it, even when its the same opinion as the person who is attacking the guy
phil, go eat a cake, have a beer, roll a scoob, take some valium or whatever floats your boat maybe all of the above and just relax ok, im trying to relax over here so just relax already
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TDFSM: i FULLY get what u r saying, but i cant see your reasoning behing saying that if a person doesnt wear a seatbelt, they deserve to die {dumbed down}. but i know that my boss will NEVER drink and drive again after he got caught last time, speeding is sometimes a accident but forgetting to wear a seatbelt/DUI/dangerous driving is not and they should be fined/jailed accoringly
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Sun, 01 February 2004 08:23
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hmmm i thinkies threed locking time...
Waits for the men in white coats... sam.. rod... hellloooo over here!!!
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Sun, 01 February 2004 08:24
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they dont deserve to die, in this day and age there is enough media out there to let EVERYBODY know that it is dangerous to not wear a seatbelt, so if you dont wear one then that is the consequences
if somebody i knew died in a accident that could have prevented their death, of course i would be sad i wouldnt write them off as a smackhead, i would be dissapointed they didnt have the sense to use the seatbelt
and if you cant understand somebodys point, where i come from you ask a question about it, dont be such a mental case about it calling the person stupid becuase you cant understand them
next time you talk to me in the wrong tone i will take a soldering iron and stab you in the eye  (jokes)
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Sun, 01 February 2004 08:33
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Is "nigz" black in race?
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Sun, 01 February 2004 11:11
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"ThatDog", I didn't say if they where rude, I said if they did something like push you to the ground and put a gun to your back. You shouldn't have to "prove" anything, it should be in the report, and it should be shown on those cop car cameras like they have in the U.S. Of course, corrupt cops will just turn the camera off or not file the report correctly. It shouldn't be about that cop being a bad boy, it should be about the Police department apologising for taking up your time / scaring you / whatever in order to do their job. Rather than waiting for said person to sue to Police department for FAR more than the incedent is worth.
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Sun, 01 February 2004 12:18
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| Shraka wrote on Fri, 30 January 2004 14:44 |
I think one of the first things they need to do is get rid of stationary speed cameras (Leave red light cameras) as this just makes people pissed off at "the man" and people don't discern the difference between Speed cameras and Cops.
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or maybe people would not get pissed off at stationary camera's if they STOPPED SPEEDING!!! if you speed on the road and get caught then suck a fat one. In Adelaide we have just started using the red light cameras for speeding and i say good, they caught more people on them in the first week they were active than they catch via other means in something like 6 months. That's a lot of people who are gonna be more cautious on the road for at least a while
and on the original topic, inner city pursuits should not exist, too much risk, same with around schools. basically they should go as fast as the road, surroundings and conditions allow. sure that is subjective as hell but it's the best i can come up with
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Sun, 01 February 2004 12:54
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all that will do si rasie the hatred towards the system/police etc due to the view of it only serving as revenue raising
btw a major us company conducted a study found lowering speed limits resulted in a HIGHER instance of serious/fatal accidents
they raised the limit and found that serious/fatal accidents after the change DROPPED
ive no faith in the legal system whatsoever or the folks that are supposed to equally fairly and unbiasedly enforce it to serve and protect the greater community
multiple times ive been the innocent party and ended wakling away(if possible depending upon the incident) with a finding of guilty due to stereotyping, inefficent, unjust and revenue rasiing practices.....oh i suppose i could of brought myself inncoence if i was excessivelly financial...everything at a price where the government make a profit even thou the government is supposed to be ran as a non profit organisation which rasies the question as to what a surplus is and if civil rule is justly able to be evoked to overthrow an organisation runnign outside its own guidelines created by and elected to uphold by us
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Sun, 01 February 2004 12:57
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oh and on the topic of pursuits/speeding why the hell not educate rather than punish ?
for example, if i kick your teeth in for swearing at me is it likley to stop you swearing alltogether ?
why not ensure that the skills are there so the general public can use the technology at hand safely and that the surroundign are apt to do as such ?
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Sun, 01 February 2004 12:59
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oh common sense...
where art thou ?
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Sun, 01 February 2004 15:02
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Yep, theres some OK cops out there. There's also quite a lot of arseholes, though to be fair, it must be said cops have to deal with arseholes every day, maybe that makes them the way they are. Speed cameras just make money, nothing more. And seatbelts? I put mine on on autopilot. You climb into a car, sit down, put the seatbelt on. It happens so naturally that I find myself wearing a seatbelt when I shift my car to wash it or whatever. It should become second nature, like breathing or blinking.
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Sun, 01 February 2004 22:31
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I think saying something like "I hate all cops" or "all cops are corrupt" or something like that is one of the most idiotic things ever said. Talk about a gross generalisation. Sure there are the dodgy onces, but the majority of them are fine. I have got pulled over many times (for RBT, one speeding fine and for no reason at all) and with the exception of ONE case, they have all been cool. I am jsut as nice as I am to them, and they are cool back. But if they pull you over a see a young kid with heaps of attitude who obviously doesnt like them do you think they are going to be "how is your day going?" Yeah right. I know I wouldnt.
Jag your post would be kinda freaky. I kknow I would be totally freaked out. But try to look at it this way. If that had of been some ones else who was walking up to your car and trying to steal it, then I for one would be glad for their presence and abruptness.
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unless you have a video camera carried around with you everywhere AND have the cops permission to video them AND THEN they are rude that would be the only evidence to win such a stupid matter
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since when do we need their permission to film them?
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Re: Should ALL police pursuits be abandoned?
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Mon, 02 February 2004 08:24
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its an honest question. As far as i was aware and according to the qld coucil for civil liberties there's no reason why a police officer can "ban" you from filming/photographing them so long as its in the course of their duties....ie: rbt
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
October 2002
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Re: Should ALL police pursuits be abandoned?
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Mon, 02 February 2004 09:33
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| 4DaDrift wrote on Sun, 01 February 2004 22:57 |
for example, if i kick your teeth in for swearing at me is it likley to stop you swearing alltogether ?
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i like that quote, so bloody true
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