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Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Thu, 08 August 2002 08:29
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has anyone supercharged a 5me 5mge or a 6mge? was thinking of using a toyota stock SC like off a 4agze or 1ggze, (prolly the 1g) any ideas?
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Fri, 09 August 2002 06:54
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I doubt many people have done it because it's ten times easier to bolt on a 7M-GTE manifold and turbo. Results will be way better too!
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Fri, 09 August 2002 14:07
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yep do that, it'll go faster
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Fri, 09 August 2002 23:56
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very true, BUT
how possible/viable would it be?
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Sat, 10 August 2002 00:45
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The turbo 5M/6M thing has been done HEAPS of times. Subscribe to the Mk2 Supra Yahoo group or the Mk2 forum and supraforums.com, there are plenty of people there who will tell you all about it. The 7M-GTE manifold literally bolts on, you just have to sort out inlet plumbing and fuelling and you're away! 
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Sat, 10 August 2002 01:59
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I realize that norb, but i preffer super chargers, turbos a flex able easier yadda yadda but a super chargers different and it has constant boost! was looking at this option cos my ultimate goal atm is and SC'd 1UZ-FE (tho the 7m is still a thought) but i would settle for a good sc'd 5-6m (cheap but still fast)
anyone done it? ideas?
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Sat, 10 August 2002 05:03
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Yep I realise that Norb, I'm currently in the workings of rebuilding my 6M & then I plan on doing just that. only other thing that seems a problem at the mo is that the dizzy looks as though it will be in the way of a 7M Turbo manifold
But what i was asking before, was if the SC 5/6M Idea would be possible
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Sat, 10 August 2002 06:19
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Sure it would be possible, but I don't think the 1G blower would be up to the task. I suppose you could overdrive it to buggery to get some decent boost, but it wouldn't last long!
Once you start pricing blowers, you might find yourself re-evaluating your plans. With the exception of second-hand Toyota blowers, they are NOT cheap!
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Sun, 11 August 2002 14:31
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doesnt the 1g blower run 8psi? 10 with an oversized pully thingy. 8psi is 8psi, like i said cheep speed, true thats theres no additional potential but that wasnt my point.
any one with a 1ggze?
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Perth
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Mon, 12 August 2002 04:43
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Let me know how u go with this dude, I wouldnt mind giving it a go....
Much prefer a s/c, I dont like to rev my motor that much
Anyone know where the inlet/outlets are on the 1G SC? They have electric clutch like the 4A?
cheers
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Mon, 12 August 2002 05:12
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will do if i do it! thinking maybe runnin a stock 5m-e even with 8psi might be a bad thing! u should know! btw what was the head gasket set up u ran on ur 5me again?
i heard that it does have an ele clucth might be wrong tho, would be cool to hook up a switch to turn it on and off, mad max style!
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Mon, 12 August 2002 06:06
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heh 5m-e with boost is bad! hehehe
I found that the 5M-E headgasket used to keep curling up at the metal that surrounds the water jackets. 4M has no metal, and that worked well.
I also ended up using two 1.5mm head shims. However, that was because my head was below the minimum usable size and used to ping like a mofo.
However, once it was all back together fine it held the boost no problem.
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Mon, 12 August 2002 07:25
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eh, you beat me! 
Too small, you need 2 or a bigger one
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Mon, 12 August 2002 12:51
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2?? is that possable? sensably possiable that is! i dont know how the 1g SC is set up but seems more trouble then its worth. any larger stock toyo sc's? OR cheap SC's?
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Mon, 12 August 2002 12:52
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ALSO what then is the difference between teh SC13 and the SC14 then? what disp. is the 4agze? 1.8-2? cant remember!
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Tue, 13 August 2002 08:46
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Two superchargers would get messy in a hurry. A turbo setup would be a lot cheaper and easier to install.
I don't think Toyota makes anything bigger than the SC14. As for other OEM stuff, about the only common one I can think of is the Commodore blower as fitted to their 3.8 litre V6. This would be about the right size for your engine, but from what I've heard they're not exactly cheap as all the Commodore-driving bogans want them.
The difference between the SC12 and SC14 is their displacement, which is 1.2 litres and 1.4 litres respectively. The 4A-GZE is a 1.6 litre engine, the 1G-GZE is 2 litres.
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Tue, 13 August 2002 14:28
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 13 August 2002 6:46 PM |
Two superchargers would get messy in a hurry.
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yeah i figured so.
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I don't think Toyota makes anything bigger than the SC14.
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thought so, pitty
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As for other OEM stuff, about the only common one I can think of is the Commodore blower as fitted to their 3.8 litre V6. This would be about the right size for your engine, but from what I've heard they're not exactly cheap as all the Commodore-driving bogans want them.
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haha again it figures!
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The difference between the SC12 and SC14 is their displacement, which is 1.2 litres and 1.4 litres respectively. The 4A-GZE is a 1.6 litre engine, the 1G-GZE is 2 litres.
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arr the 4agze is 1.6 litres feh nuf wasnt sure!
doesnt matter was a thought something different to a turbo, might find out a price on the commy one tho, could be alright priced.
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Tue, 13 August 2002 22:56
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5MG, 7MGTE exhaust manifold and CT26. Happy, healthy, uncomplicated, relatively inexpensive. There's even a Yahoo group that are devoted solely to doing exactly this.
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 03:44
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ar but there u have it been done before!  plus i dont have a 5mge atm and if i'm gonna swap in another m engine it'll be a 7mgte, save all the problems, but i'm still interested in super charging it tho.
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 06:27
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So are you saying you're prepared to invest much more money and effort to get the same result, just to be "different"?
Whatever floats your boat dude!
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 07:06
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yeah but not the same results tho! SC'd would get power the whole way through the rev range, that low down power is what i like!
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 07:57
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you could always go to a truck or tractor wrecker see if they have any off the supercharged 2 stroke cummins or perkins or whatever they are....
I'd imagine you could get something like a 4/71 "relatively" cheap, having never done it though I don't know...It will look shitty and weigh a heap but it will give you boost....
a 4/71 is for a 4652cc motor though so you would probably have to underdrive it..I don't know how much boost they push though...
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 08:14
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how heavy would that sucker be?
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 08:19
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I dunno..they are pretty chunky as they are a GMC or something like that, I mean they are made for trucks so you can imagne the rest!
but on the other hand they should be nice and understressed and there are probably smaller ones that will drain less power than that big sucker does.
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 08:29
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hmmmmm.... thanx for the tip off! might have to check it out!
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 08:34
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if you wanted to be really reeaallly individual you could always use the entire motor.....theres nothing quite like the noise of what is essentially a 4.5L chainsaw at full song  hehehe
keeping the front end off the tar could be a problem there though...
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 10:44
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A PD supercharger will deliver nearly full boost at idle, but they become very inefficient at higher rpm. Why do you think the Mk1 MR2 boys upgrade to turbo when they want more power?
Also, a supercharged engine will always produce less power than a turbocharged engine at any given boost level, all else being equal. One of those big GMC superchargers would probably take at least 50hp to turn!
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 11:01
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the blower off a 1g-gze can be fited to a 3.8ltr commonwhore for mild boost i see no problem with a 2.8ltr! finding somewhere to mount the big sucker maybe tho!
supercharging is defeintly a different fun to a turbo its like displacement on a switch and with the 5m-e the ecu should handle it with out to much drama with a risen' rate FPR.
I say go for it!
Allan
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 13:09
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hey allen what are the results like on a commy? much hp nm difference? or even seat of pants difference? if the results are truly decent i might give it a crack! exactly how big is the SC14?
I realise this norbie but as i've said many times already i want constance boost not heaps of it. its a bit of a jump not ment to be a super hp monster. Mk1 mr2 boys change to turbos cos turbos are as a said more flexable and easier to turn up sc are basicaly set at one boost level.
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 13:16
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take a drive down to shepperton and see Andrew down at centeral vic auto parts hes got a few there you can look at, there was a big artical in an old Zoom mag ring em up get a back issue!
Allan
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 14:21
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The article failed to go into the severe limitations the SC14 had on the 3.8l V6. It's just a bigger Turbozet, relatively speaking. The general consensus from the Commodore boys is "don't bother".
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Re: Supercharged a 5/6me/ge?
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Wed, 14 August 2002 14:32
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it will make a bigger difference on a 2.8ltr i think a crummy puts out about 80kw something at the wheels and my good example of a stockish 5m put out 63!
Allan
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