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Shraka
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Hey, developer of this forum / site Wed, 11 February 2004 16:17 Go to next message
I noticed you don't have spam proofing on email addresses. There is some PHP code that I have that uses Javascript to stop spam spiders finding emails on your site. If you want it, give me a yell.

I also notice that quotes (“‘’”) copied out of Word don't work properly. I can give you code to fix that if you like. I would email the developer directly, but I don't even know who that is.
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 00:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Try and get it to send people and email when you send them a Private Message
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CrUZsida wrote on Thu, 12 February 2004 11:42

Try and get it to send people and email when you send them a Private Message


Yes, do that. Nod
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Also, sometimes when I get a notification of a reply to a thread, the link to the thread is missing.
Anyone else get that?

I can take a screenshot and post it next time it happnes if you don't know what I mean.
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah I get that too.

Email notification of PMs would be good yes. Very Happy
I was specifically about the cars for sale thread. Lots of people giving out non-spam proof email addresses.
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 11:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nobody wants spam proof emails?
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shraka wrote on Thu, 12 February 2004 02:17

<snip> I would email the developer directly, but I don't even know who that is.


umm ... did you look at the bottom of every page this forum generates? then tried google?

... took me all of three seconds

<http://fud.prohost.org/>

Cool

fwiw: for public stuff like this and yahoo groups, use a sacrificial address (e.g. i have a fixed optushome address and go thru one of my 5 free optusnet address for all the car shit - whenever i start to get spam - i change addresses and dump the infected one)

charles.
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah, I saw that, but I thought that a specific developer may roam these forums.

Why have a sacrificial email address when you can just make the emails published on the site spam proof?
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
doubt it - they're part of Prohost who are Canadian - so i suspect they're re-selling rack-space or colocated somewhere? tho - they could have hardware in canada.

as for the email address ... they're free - if they get spam it's optus's problem not mine as i kill 'em off quick Wink

anyway from my experience with wundows users at work (gov't dept) is if they have to click more than once to do a task "... you mean i have to remove all those weird letters?... " they don't bother... so all the effort of onscuring the address might never be appreciated

[Updated on: Thu, 12 February 2004 13:01]

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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
No, you use javascript. To you and me it's the same.
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ok - i thought were talking about a script that totally obscures the address:
usernameATdomainDOTcomDOTau in code & display so you had to replace the separators manually.

what about a a spyder that's making URL calls (e.g. a shell script using curl to interogate sites and build document/navigation tree) and knows how to interpret javascript code (a bit more difficult if your code browser sniffs) and you should be able to sent back the proper HTTPHeaders via curl to get around servers that only want to talk to real browsers, then the email addresses are open anyway. would that defeat the code?

tho your point is quite valid - lots of open addresses - but maybe it's also an ettiquete thing for moderators to look at?

charles.

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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Thu, 12 February 2004 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hrm... yeah I imagine that would defeat the script (I didn't write it myself, I adapted it for my site). All the script does is use Javascript to print the address to the screen, rather than using HTML. As I understand it, it should stop at least most spam crawlers. However, could you simply make the email addresses not linked (still using the Javascript to print non-linked URLs)? Would that defeat your spam crawler?

The other alternative is to have email addresses encrypted and only shown as a "click to email" link. When clicked, it opens up a form to send an email to this person.

This is what the code looks like:
<script>
	var a,b,c,x,y,n;
	y = 'domain.com';
	x = 'user';
	b = 'lto:';
	c = '">';
	a = '<a href="mai';
	n = '@';
	document.write(a+b+x+n+y+c);
</script>

Would your method destroy this, I'm not totally familiar with how spam crawlers work. I'm a designer, working from the front end back, so yeah. Very Happy I know more about interface stuff than what the server is doing.
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Fri, 13 February 2004 01:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
im pretty sure nark has a lot to do with the forums, maybe you should talk to him?
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Fri, 13 February 2004 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shraka wrote on Fri, 13 February 2004 00:45

<snip>
Would your method destroy this, I'm not totally familiar with how spam crawlers work. I'm a designer, working from the front end back, so yeah. Very Happy I know more about interface stuff than what the server is doing.


as long as it's driven by some kind of interface-driven behaviour (e.g. onmouseover), and definately a CSS-driven action then it would defeat a curl-based bot.

would be even better to do some basic obsfucation or transposition when stating your vars in case the script is grabbed as raw text.

but ... the smarts required to construct/draw and traverse the DOM of a dynamic page with lots of presentation driven by CSS 1 or 2 would be way too hard - would be much easier to suck-down newsgroupds and grep for 'mailto' and '@' strings
Wink
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Fri, 13 February 2004 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
So it would be what... 90% spam proof? better than 0%. Very Happy
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Fri, 13 February 2004 22:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you could also use character encoding in the source:
@ represented as &#64
so even the raw source is obsfucated
see: <hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/reference/special _characters/>

you could even tranposte the numeric codes if storing them as VARs, getting javascript to untranspose

but yes, 90% is better than zip - i'm just wary of javascript stuff that starts to become platform/browser dependant
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Sat, 14 February 2004 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Have you guys realised that you have an "email" button at the bottom of every post?

That's a protected way of emailing a forums member. The functionality is already there, if people don't want to use it, then they don't use it.
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Re: Hey, developer of this forum / site Sat, 14 February 2004 02:26 Go to previous message
Nark wrote on Sat, 14 February 2004 11:22

Have you guys realised that you have an "email" button at the bottom of every post?

That's a protected way of emailing a forums member. The functionality is already there, if people don't want to use it, then they don't use it.

Oh hey... nifty.
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