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Mon, 16 February 2004 02:21
 
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as for luxo-barge cars drifting
i would rather a 3uzfe powered SC430 hardtop
pushrods are so 1965 maan
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Mon, 16 February 2004 02:32
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| T APLUS 22 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 12:48 |
So who's been taking pictures on the Nepean HWY ? - the VL is at the tyre factory on the HWY
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I think we cleared that up... It's on the corner of Station St and Nepean Hwy Cheltenham.
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Mon, 16 February 2004 03:31
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| ae86drift wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 13:21 |
pushrods are so 1965 maan
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history is fun 
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In 1905 Delahaye had experimented with a double overhead camshaft with six inline valves per cylinder for a marine racing engine and set a new world's speed record on water.
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Les Charlatan's Peugeot, though, was the first automotive application of the twin overhead cam concept and set the pattern for all future twin-cam designs. The first race the team entered was the Grand Prix de l'ACF at Dieppe on June 26, 1912
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Alfa Romeo built its first twin-cam engine as far back as 1914
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In 1928 he established a twin-cam production engine for the company's superb line of high-performance luxury cars. Stutz followed in 1931 with the 32-valve eight-cylinder DV32.
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Mon, 16 February 2004 04:05
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its cause GM is cheap.. costs more to develop new technology within company than to bump up the litres.. god help us if they ever decide to turbo
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Mon, 16 February 2004 04:43
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| alwaysRA23 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 11:53 |
you guys are have no appreciation for australian engineering.
as far as im concerned you can keep ur corolla and ur 3sgte, ill take the CV8 munro, and ill see you at the strip.
oh but to keep it fair, ill throw on all the bolt on goodies like a real lsd, a half decent exhaust, some filters, some better engine management, and any other mods you might do to ur rolla in the process of doing a 3sgte,
then ill meet you at the track, and to show you what a nice guy i am, ill even bring the trailer for your poor little rolla after it gets OWNED buy a "bogan commie"
sure it uses pushrods, but who gives a fuck when it has more potential than any other 4 banger around. especailly when you look at bolt on blowers...
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Well i think you are on the wrong forum, do the bogan holden drivers even have a forum? Cause i think you should find it and join that, and tell them to all set up thier commenwhores for drifting!
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Mon, 16 February 2004 04:48
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 14:31 |
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In 1905 Delahaye had experimented with a double overhead camshaft with six inline valves per cylinder for a marine racing engine and set a new world's speed record on water.
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Les Charlatan's Peugeot, though, was the first automotive application of the twin overhead cam concept and set the pattern for all future twin-cam designs. The first race the team entered was the Grand Prix de l'ACF at Dieppe on June 26, 1912
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Alfa Romeo built its first twin-cam engine as far back as 1914
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Its almost 100yrs down the track and they still havnt advanced, stupid holden 
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Mon, 16 February 2004 05:06
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:04 |
ummmm do u realise what u have said applies to all car manufacturers with the exception of BMW's throttleless electronically operated valve system.
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So are you comparing ferrari to holden?
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Mon, 16 February 2004 05:07
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| 79rollaboy wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 15:49 |
Drifting is a sport that originated in JAPAN... it started with japanese cars and japanese drivers.. the idea of spreading the sport is a good one.. but just because holden/GM have entered doesnt mean that every GM car should start drifting...
Commo drivers can stick to doing happy laps and single peggers around there local hangouts and us toyota loyalists do our thing.. drifting is one thing... how can we appreciate Australian engineering when its been the same for 30-40 years..
it's like this... HOLDEN CEO: "shit what are we gonna do with our V8's this year?? our last model fucked up and 90% had to be rebuilt completely (VT SS) oh we'll just use those GEN 3 ones they go allright... or Nissans ones they worked last time"
SO instead of fixing a problem go around it wheres the engineering in that??
Holden aren't a good brand what was the last thing they invented that every other brand used... oooh i know.. the engine ioniser that magnetically balances the engine.. fantastic idea brocky
Toyota dont put shit on nobody.. so dont put shit on them
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Mon, 16 February 2004 05:38
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| ke70_3SGTE wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:06 |
Its almost 100yrs down the track and they still havnt advanced, stupid holden
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:04 |
ummmm do u realise what u have said applies to all car manufacturers with the exception of BMW's throttleless electronically operated valve system.
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So are you comparing ferrari to holden?
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ohh darling.... i tell ya what, dont stress.... if u ever manage to understand the scope of what you have said at the top of this post then maybe......just maybe ill be able to explain the meaning of my reply to you.
77rollaboy --> last post --> dictionary --> hypocrisy --> nuff said
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Mon, 16 February 2004 05:40
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My dad has a 1923 Bugatti... It has an overhead cam, everything in the engine is alloy (except from the block), 4 valves per cylinder, twin spark per cylinder... Alfa Romeo are still raving about their twin spark. And not all cars have OHC. The technology has been around for ages but is just not always used.
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Mon, 16 February 2004 05:40
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:38 |
| ke70_3SGTE wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:06 |
Its almost 100yrs down the track and they still havnt advanced, stupid holden
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| ke70_3SGTE wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:06 |
| rob_RA40 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:04 |
ummmm do u realise what u have said applies to all car manufacturers with the exception of BMW's throttleless electronically operated valve system.
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So are you comparing ferrari to holden?
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ohh darling.... i tell ya what, dont stress.... if u ever manage to understand the scope of what you have said at the top of this post then maybe......just maybe ill be able to explain the meaning of my reply to you.
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All right love, until then happy huntings
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Mon, 16 February 2004 06:50
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:04 |
ummmm do u realise what u have said applies to all car manufacturers with the exception of BMW's throttleless electronically operated valve system.
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Meh , its not that great.
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Mon, 16 February 2004 06:58
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here they go again.. pullin out the claws
 theres no cat icon/smiley
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Mon, 16 February 2004 06:59
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Id take any V8 over a rolla any day.
Be it ferrari, BMW, Toyota or Holden. The rolla is no match regardless of technology. Time to wake up ladies.
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Mon, 16 February 2004 07:03
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| BlackSupra wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 17:59 |
Id take any V8 over a rolla any day.
Be it ferrari, BMW, Toyota or Holden. The rolla is no match regardless of technology. Time to wake up ladies.
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yes, but i bet you would take a 3uz new soarer over any of the gen III engined holdens, yes?
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Mon, 16 February 2004 07:04
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ahh rob sooo condecending.... *sigh*
"pushrods are so 1965 maaan"
was meant to mean
"pushrods were cool in 1965 and what cool is has now changed, and pushrods havent got it anymore becuase it is old tech"
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:41
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| BlackSupra wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 17:59 |
Id take any V8 over a rolla any day.
Be it ferrari, BMW, Toyota or Holden. The rolla is no match regardless of technology. Time to wake up ladies.
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Since when did this have anything to do with rollas...
where talking about the D1 drift event and the monaro and the commo owners that will probably start drifting... and oh yeh how shit commodores and like 80 holdens onwards
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:43
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By the way... two of my facourite cars are '67 Pontiac GTO's and '70 Hemi Cudas so its not like i hate 8s... I'd suck off a grandpa for one of those cars...
Maybe i shoulda thought about that more before i wrote it...
No i definately would
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:49
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| 79rollaboy wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 20:43 |
By the way... two of my facourite cars are '67 Pontiac GTO's and '70 Hemi Cudas so its not like i hate 8s... I'd suck off a grandpa for one of those cars...
Maybe i shoulda thought about that more before i wrote it...
No i definately would
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My grandpa owns both, what time will you be around?
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:50
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9:00 good??
be finished by say 9:05 and then i'll take the cars allright??
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Mon, 16 February 2004 09:57
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Honestly... i dont mind commodores or monaros at all.. even PIAZZA's but it's the dickheads that drive them that get the shit up me... thinking that because they can spin one wheel of there auto commodore that there awesome drivers... they need to wake up and learn they're no better than any other revhead..
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Mon, 16 February 2004 10:22
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| 79rollaboy wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 20:57 |
Honestly... i dont mind commodores or monaros at all.. even PIAZZA's but it's the dickheads that drive them that get the shit up me... thinking that because they can spin one wheel of there auto commodore that there awesome drivers... they need to wake up and learn they're no better than any other revhead..
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this man speaketh the truth
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Mon, 16 February 2004 10:25
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since i live at engadine... the boganest place in sydneys south..
Its all i ever see... 2in3 cars are commodores i proved that last night..
AE86DRIFT: get your old avatar back it looked much racier
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Mon, 16 February 2004 12:57
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I wonder, if one of the americans used a Dodge stealth(aka. Mitsubishi GTO(with 4wd turned off)) would it be called american too?
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Mon, 16 February 2004 15:00
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yeah but this is MY car
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Mon, 16 February 2004 16:54
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How can you call it Australian engineering when all they did is build it from some GM instructions?
It'ld be more interesting if they put a hrt 427 out there. Although if the driver has any sense of Australiana (which i highly doubt) he'll be too busy bagging it up out the front of the track in the car park.
oh, and don't laugh at the picture of that nicely painted vl or vn which ever it is... i've seen one close to that just minues the panda paint hahaha...
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Mon, 16 February 2004 22:38
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| charliechalk wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 03:54 |
How can you call it Australian engineering when all they did is build it from some GM instructions?
It'ld be more interesting if they put a hrt 427 out there. Although if the driver has any sense of Australiana (which i highly doubt) he'll be too busy bagging it up out the front of the track in the car park.
oh, and don't laugh at the picture of that nicely painted vl or vn which ever it is... i've seen one close to that just minues the panda paint hahaha...
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but the panda paint is what makes it funny to all of us
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Tue, 17 February 2004 03:10
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isnt the LS1 mill the only thing american designed in the whole car??
either way. GM australia sold the munro to the american markets. and yes, they did fuck the front end of it up with the pontiac front end. but thats neither here nor there.
i just reckon its a cool car, i personally wouldnt buy one, but i reckon its great to see something new being tried in the D1 events.
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Tue, 17 February 2004 03:16
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How can you call it Australian engineering when all they did is build it from some GM instructions?
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Ahh, once again. Someone posting something they obviously know nothing about.
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Tue, 17 February 2004 05:12
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Boy there are some schmucks here !!!!
Yes pushrods are old tech, but they have some huge advantages for manufacturing and they are proven. Yes they are cheap, but they allow the engine to be packaged very neatly and still they can provide a bit of grunt. It has nothing to do with Holden, as they are directly taken from GM in the states where the engines are made.
If you would rather OHC on a V8, to compare a similarly priced product, look at the BA Falcon, and look how much bigger (physically) the engine is.
Carry on with you silly 'my corolla beats anything' and one eyed toyota stuff, but for what they cost, they do a good job.
If GMH had the budget of Toyota and the market to develop the car, then the product would be different for sure. But for what it cost to develop and buy, and what it can do, it is not bad.
Get off your high horses and think a little.
Yes I work for GMH, but it is for the money and the conditions. I drive a Eunos 30X, a Vectra CDX and my Mk2 Supra.
Sheesh, some people.....
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Tue, 17 February 2004 05:13
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| alwaysRA23 wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 23:39 |
the simple fact is. YOU cant handle the fact that some american is using a GTO labelled monaro for drifting. and why the fuck shouldnt he, ive seen skylines and soarers enter drift comps, they weigh just about the same as most commies.
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Skylines AND soarers are cool, Holden is ghey
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why dont you go and write a letter to the people in the teams that rally in the V8 class in the ARC. and tell them they dont belong because they are doing something that may influence others.
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Who said i dont like v8's???
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and finally why dont you go find a forum for self opinionated losers and join that.
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Why dont you?? You started the fight "keyboard warrior"
and i thought this finished ages ago?
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Tue, 17 February 2004 05:14
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| T APLUS 22 wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 14:16 |
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How can you call it Australian engineering when all they did is build it from some GM instructions?
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Ahh, once again. Someone posting something they obviously know nothing about.
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Too right.
The only yank thing on the GTO is their version of the Front fascia - EOS.
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Tue, 17 February 2004 05:41
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Yeah, I'm all for a GTO in drift comps... will be funny. But then again, I'm all for Toyota entering a V8 for the V8 Supercars... but the people in control don't seem to be. Stupid people in control. Would be funny to see a 4.0ltr V8 beating the pants off of 5.7ltr V8s.
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Tue, 17 February 2004 05:59
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its
MOOOOOOOONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARROOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO
not MUUUUNNNNNNARRRRROOOO
and for what ya get and what ya pay for i woudlnt' piss on a holden 
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Tue, 17 February 2004 06:09
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Meh. What exactly don't you like about the Holden Commodore Clown?
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Tue, 17 February 2004 06:14
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i think your question should be "what do i like about them" cos the list would be shorter haha
Design/price.... blah blah blah...... in other words the only thing i like about them is that hey keep dickheads out of good cars. Although i will admit to having a soft spot for the VK which funnily enough besides the VL seems to be the most muzza/bogan of the lot.
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Tue, 17 February 2004 06:49
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Heh heh Clown. I admire them for not doing what Jap companies seem to be doing, ie. making cars more economical and much less powerful. Other than that they don't have much going for them as far as I am concerned.
It would be kinda cool if safety and emissions standards where the same the world over. Would make importing cars cheaper.
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Tue, 17 February 2004 07:23
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 16:14 |
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How can you call it Australian engineering when all they did is build it from some GM instructions?
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Ahh, once again. Someone posting something they obviously know nothing about.
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Too right.
The only yank thing on the GTO is their version of the Front fascia - EOS.
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and the headers , and the computer controlling the efi , and the exhaust. Their " GTO" puts out around the equivelent of the old clubsports ( about 265kw )
it will be interesting to see bagging up the back's - the 5.7 has gobsmacks of torque - BUT - i still think the competition will be taken out by something like a 200sx or ae86..
The package is more " refined " thru using it in prior events
Good on GM for throwing a cat amonsgt the pidgeions - But it still wont win
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| Classique71 wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 18:23 |
Good on GM for throwing a cat amonsgt the pidgeions - But it still wont win
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and the conversation ends here, Good on em but no they wont win.... and if you post after this you are gay
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Tue, 17 February 2004 07:32
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More like throwing a pidgeion among cats.
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| Shraka wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 18:32 |
More like throwing a pidgeion among cats.
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HahahHAhaha That was a exceptable post, a very small fat dirrty pigeon at that
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Tue, 17 February 2004 07:47
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*makes pidgeon noises*
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Tue, 17 February 2004 07:50
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| Clown wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 18:47 |
*makes pidgeon noises*
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you mean
**cooooo cooooo, cooooo coooo**
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Tue, 17 February 2004 08:52
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| Classique71 wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 18:23 |
Good on GM for throwing a cat amonsgt the pidgeions - But it still wont win
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and the conversation ends here, Good on em but no they wont win.... and if you post after this you are gay
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Just like brisbane won't win 3 premierships in a row - oh wait they did. You can't catagorically say they won't win. Well, you can, but it certainly not end of conversation. Its an opinion, I'll make the bet that if your in the comp then you can win - and no one can make the claim you can't untill its physically impossible for them to.
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and if you post after this you are gay
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- you posted here yourself
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| T APLUS 22 wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 19:52 |
you
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and if you post after this you are gay
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- you posted here yourself
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and so did you (couldnt resist the pigeon comment)
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| ae86drift wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 13:21 |
as for luxo-barge cars drifting
i would rather a 3uzfe powered SC430 hardtop
pushrods are so 1965 maan
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tried it mate, not enough power, too big and too many electronics to stop you.
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Re: Monaro (Pontiac GTO) running in D1 Comp
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Tue, 17 February 2004 10:13
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awww crap
they look nice
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Re: Monaro (Pontiac GTO) running in D1 Comp
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Tue, 17 February 2004 10:27
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chuckles
well - ok ..
lets get something clear here !
Brisbane drifters ...
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World class drifters ....
Against the worlds best, driving the worlds best prepared drifting machines would you see a monaro/gto/commodore winning?
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Re: Monaro (Pontiac GTO) running in D1 Comp
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Tue, 17 February 2004 10:42
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it was a hypothetical question ..
Not slagging .. this time ..
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Re: Monaro (Pontiac GTO) running in D1 Comp
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Tue, 17 February 2004 13:23
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| Shraka wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 16:41 |
Yeah, I'm all for a GTO in drift comps... will be funny. But then again, I'm all for Toyota entering a V8 for the V8 Supercars... but the people in control don't seem to be. Stupid people in control. Would be funny to see a 4.0ltr V8 beating the pants off of 5.7ltr V8s.
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as I remember it ... all v8 supercars are to run 5 litre only engines and they have to have pushrods..
so that sorta fucks up a 1uz ever entering. for 1, its 4 litres(doubt it could be bored to 5... but maybe).2,it has technology.. quad cam ... instead of none
Also because of this, ford cant use their engines at all and have to buy crappy engines for overseas(why their cars are always so slow)... but holden/gm are right at home.
As for GM not having as much money to spend on R&D on engines as toyota... toyota is number 3 in world on profit making car companies I beleive.. i thought GM was number 1 or 2
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Re: Monaro (Pontiac GTO) running in D1 Comp
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Tue, 17 February 2004 13:43
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| ke70_3SGTE wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 21:39 |
Majority rules, holden is ghey....
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ignorance is bliss i guess,
if you can come up with 5 good reasons why ur 30hp ke70 is better than holden, without saying, because holden is shit/gay/crap etc. ill gladly eat my words and leave the subject alone.
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Re: Monaro (Pontiac GTO) running in D1 Comp
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Tue, 17 February 2004 14:19
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That's it you little opinionated twerp (ke70_3SGTE)... YOU ARE OFF MY MSN LIST! (PS: sorry moderators about the personal attack... this is a toned down version)
If you have an opinion voice it... BUT, make sure your opinion is well thought through. You can't force an entire forum to agree with you, you have to present an arugment that makes people think and change their opinion on the basis of the facts you bring up.
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