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 supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Sun, 15 February 2004 14:12
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howdy boys, thought id post on behalf of ryley.
we took his supra to the qt mile today, and it was nothing short of dissapointing. ryley took a shot and got 19.6 or something, then i took a shot and got 19.24 or something, so practically the same. i got 19.6 the next run, its always around that...and thats on a decent start! when i did the 19.2 we had two passengers, and the rest was with one passenger. he has just had it re-timed, checked etc all of it should be running fine.....so i dont know. just thought we would share our pain. is it normal for a car to decrease in performance that much? are these just the times we should expect ie. will they differ that much from factory specs etc. haha <insert, "depends on the car, and how it is maintained" here>
yep
btw, my sa63 beat it in a drag, and got similar times. even the bronze warrior would give it a shake 
opinions would be appreciated
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Mon, 16 February 2004 03:00
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could it be attributed to the fact that i cant launch the damn thing? i either bog down or squeal the tyre's arse off.
also, what are good shift points? im usually first into second about 5200-5400, then 2 into 3 about 5000, 3 into 4 about 4800-4900...
or am i getting over-analytical? 
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Mon, 16 February 2004 03:26
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is this a stock ma61?
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 03:59
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in the (only) stock ma61 I owned, shift points was 5.5k-6k, it was still making excellent power at that point.
the 5m-e can have it's timing advanced quite a bit if you run good fuel (98RON)
and no, 19+ is not normal
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 04:09
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How are you trying to launch it? Perhaps letting the clutch take some damage is the way to go?
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 04:10
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yeah, dont rev and dump - let the clutch take a bit of it
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 04:14
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It dunno if anyone else has tried this, but using the handbreak is realy good in the shitsubishi. I dunno if this works in a RWD, but I let the front wheels pull, while the handbreak keeps me still while letting the clutch slip. Then when the lights change (this is just on the street) I let the handbreak go, put my foot down and let the clutch out slowly. I'm not sure if this works on cars with actual power, but you would be suprised how easy it is to get wheelspin out of the Lancer, well before the 40W-70 oil went in.
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Mon, 16 February 2004 04:15
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40w70?
dude, that's like gearbox oil
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 04:22
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Yeah. My car don't like it when it's cold. But at least I don't have to top it up every 500kms.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 05:07
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hmmm...
yeah its the stock 5me, running optimax (98 ron) and timed at 16 degrees, which is what some petrol site recommends for 98 octane fuel...
with the launch, i was used to getting the revs up and dumpnig the clutch with the celica (no power, so it'd grip and take off)...
ive learned that dont work in the super supra. ive tried holding th revs at about 3k or so, or whatever, and taking off with minimal bogging down or wheelspin...um...
grant tried slipping the clutch, while keeping the revs at about 5k, didnt bog down, a little wheelspin, took off okay, and we still ran a 19. mind you, that was with 2 passengers.
we got a 0-60 in about 5 seconds too.... evil???
are we short shifting??
whats going on?!?!?!
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 05:25
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and strapping a turbo to this engine is going to help it how?
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 06:02
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| BlackSupra wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 15:55 |
and strapping a turbo to this engine is going to help it how?
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It'll blow up faster, necessitating replacement with a better engine!!  Otherwise it'll take months or years of abuse before the 5m-e carks it!
Also, the 19sec 1/4 mile - I remember years ago Street Machine magazine bought a 120y, stripped it down to reduce weight and recorded a 19 sec 1/4 mile with the dead stock motor. So you're at LEAST as fast as a 120y
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 08:14
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| BlackSupra wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:25 |
and strapping a turbo to this engine is going to help it how?
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whether i strap a turbo on or not will be dependant on why my 5me is slow at the moment.... if somethings stuffed with it, of course i wont do it. its only done 121,000 kms, so hopefully its alright.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 08:20
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Mon, 16 February 2004 16:07 |
we got a 0-60 in about 5 seconds too.... evil???
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That'd be a great time if it were mph
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 16 February 2004 10:48
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could it be to do with the fact that it still has 21 year old spark plug leads?
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Mon, 16 February 2004 10:50
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im sure they are changed in 21 yeard, unless the people that owned it are goons. hopefully they havent been changed.  . do i sound like battye ryley?
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Tue, 17 February 2004 02:09
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Man, I'd be taking that thing to a weigh station, see if somebody hasnt lined the car with lead.
I'd be expecting mid 17's at worst with a manual 5m-e.
Check your oil, too thick will inhibit a lot of performance.
Make sure she's breathing properly, both in and out.
And make sure spark is good.
Test all leads. Replace all plugs with NGK 6BPR5EY (I think thats the model), if you havent all ready (its worth doing every 5-10k kms for the $20 it costs).
Check tyre pressure, als, check rear suspension, if it bogs down too much, you may need new shocks/springs.
And above all, when doing a QT run, don't take passengers, especially if you want to see how quick the car is.
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Tue, 17 February 2004 07:34
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| CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 13:09 |
Check your oil, too thick will inhibit a lot of performance.
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I think it runs shell helix.
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Make sure she's breathing properly, both in and out.
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I've checked the intake and throttle body- but Allan seems to think my airflow meter has been tampered with. Should I just say fuck it and get a new one?
I know it's had a hotdog muffler put in it, should I check the whole exhaust?
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And make sure spark is good.
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They are new spark plugs 
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Test all leads. Replace all plugs with NGK 6BPR5EY (I think thats the model), if you havent all ready (its worth doing every 5-10k kms for the $20 it costs).
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They are still original spark plug leads. I'll be purchasing them tomorrow.
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Check tyre pressure, als, check rear suspension, if it bogs down too much, you may need new shocks/springs.
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Its got pedders shocks all round, and I run about 32 psi tyre pressure. Whats a good pressure for 14x7s?
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And above all, when doing a QT run, don't take passengers, especially if you want to see how quick the car is.
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Yeah we've thought of this. Mind you Grant's SA63 ran a 19. something with one passenger, and my mighty RA60 runs a 20.
Im getting 0-100 in about 12 seconds. They are said to be around 10 stock, and Ed managed to get his to 8.9 on a g-tech with no passenger.
One more thing- When i rip a burnout I leave 2 black lines, thick and steamy. This means my LSD is working good guns, right?
Thanks y'all.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 17 February 2004 10:46
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why was that a stuff up? surely the problem would be bigger than those little things wouldnt it? can someone give us some help, we both know jack shit. can his dif fuck up the time that much? how do u know when that is a bit underpar...could be the clutch couldnt it? i think its coz we were measuring the time with a mobile phone. what other things could it be guys?
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Tue, 17 February 2004 11:01
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i think its coz we were measuring the time with a mobile phone
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That could be it.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 17 February 2004 13:01
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well, we measured the r31 skyline with the same mobile phone. thankfully it ran a 19.4 as well, but, the driver is shit.
its the same r31 i beat in a drag in the supra. 
what we need to do is measure the supra and other cars, namely, the bronze warrior and the white stallion, and see how the times compare using the same instrument. i doubt its that though.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 17 February 2004 14:11
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 21:01 |
well, we measured the r31 skyline with the same mobile phone. thankfully it ran a 19.4 as well, but, the driver is shit.
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Mates manual skyline with nothing but exhaust ran 16.05 on its quickest run
So i'm tihnking 16.7ish for stock, maybe 17 for auto.
So, I will tell you now, take it to your local organised drags asap, and find out what she does
EDIT: That was an R31 too, series 1
[Updated on: Tue, 17 February 2004 14:13]
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 17 February 2004 14:15
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| CrUZsida wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 01:11 |
| Evil_Foetus wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 21:01 |
well, we measured the r31 skyline with the same mobile phone. thankfully it ran a 19.4 as well, but, the driver is shit.
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Mates manual skyline with nothing but exhaust ran 16.05 on its quickest run
So i'm tihnking 16.7ish for stock, maybe 17 for auto.
So, I will tell you now, take it to your local organised drags asap, and find out what she does
EDIT: That was an R31 too, series 1
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yep this was a manual series one r31.... the driver is crap, so who knows.... maybe we are both shit drivers.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 17 February 2004 15:44
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my sa63 just ran a 19.8 with passenger. now, you may be thinking so what? but this is quite remarkable...i have thrashed him now for one year and only replaced the water pump, and when i say thrashed i mean bashed and beaten...he now boils constantly, and i mean constantly, so its either a head or gasket, or radiator, or whatever, coz it doesnt matter, i just fill him up and rock and he does the rolling. he has oil coming out of nearly EVERY joint in his tiny little motor. but tonight, he rode like the white stallion that he is. i take my hat off to you my dear friend.
also, he has been unregistered for about a month, and my boy keeps me out of trouble. when i want it, he delivers, no matter how fucked he is.
*back to ryleys 19 second supra...*
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 17 February 2004 15:47
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going to get new spark pleads tomorrow, inspect the exhaust.... dunno what ill see though. probably just an exhaust, and wont know shit.
should i get a new untampered airflow meter?
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 17 February 2004 22:04
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 18:34 |
| CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 17 February 2004 13:09 |
Make sure she's breathing properly, both in and out.
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I've checked the intake and throttle body- but Allan seems to think my airflow meter has been tampered with. Should I just say fuck it and get a new one?
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I hate to break the news Evil, but a few (few) months ago I was looking for a new AFM, and if it was "avaliable" would cost $900  .
So, buying one *brand* new from Toyota, I wouldn't because you can spend the money elsewhere 
Cheers.
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Wed, 18 February 2004 03:37
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Can't you get an after market AFM for it for a lot lot less? For $900, I would want the AFM to make me toast and give the car an extra 50kws at the wheels.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Wed, 18 February 2004 03:42
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| Shraka wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 14:37 |
Can't you get an after market AFM for it for a lot lot less? For $900, I would want the AFM to make me toast and give the car an extra 50kws at the wheels.
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Yes you can use an alternative [MX62 (5M-E)] AFM which are more avaliable then the MA61 AFM, but I don't know what affects (if any) has to do with using the MX62 (5M-E)...
Can anyone concur?
Cheers.
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Wed, 18 February 2004 03:44
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I wouldnt worry about it, its not going to affect performance that much
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Wed, 18 February 2004 03:48
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| CrUZsida wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 14:44 |
I wouldnt worry about it, its not going to affect performance that much
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Thanks for confirming
Cheers.
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Wed, 18 February 2004 04:33
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so i can use any airflow meter for a 5m-e??
is this worth doing, would 19s be a product of a fucked one??
thanks y'all.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Wed, 18 February 2004 04:44
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 15:33 |
so i can use any airflow meter for a 5m-e??
is this worth doing, would 19s be a product of a fucked one??
thanks y'all.
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Not any AFM, but one designed for use with a 5M-E.
Cheers.
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Thu, 19 February 2004 01:28
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| ZZT231 wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 12:44 |
| Evil_Foetus wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 15:33 |
so i can use any airflow meter for a 5m-e??
is this worth doing, would 19s be a product of a fucked one??
thanks y'all.
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Not any AFM, but one designed for use with a 5M-E.
Cheers.
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 15:33 |
so i can use any airflow meter for a 5m-e??
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Thu, 19 February 2004 02:31
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with a change in driving just ran an 18.8 with a passenger....
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Thu, 19 February 2004 08:06
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If your gonna turbo it, wont you need a new AFM anyway?
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Thu, 19 February 2004 09:19
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| Shraka wrote on Thu, 19 February 2004 19:06 |
If your gonna turbo it, wont you need a new AFM anyway?
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nope, i barely have to change anything on the 5me. just bolt on the turbo, dizzy and oil lines, practically.
but yeah, i really don't know what the go is, im hoping its my driving. ill take a look at it in detail asap.
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Thu, 19 February 2004 23:47
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Well you could let me take it for a 400m run. If I get 19s, then you know it's your driving... either that or I'm just magically good at 1/4s without any practice
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Fri, 20 February 2004 13:12
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hahah okie dokie...
as i said i ran an 18 with a passenger the other night, revving it out a bit more (changing about 5600rpm)... with a passenger...
so im really hoping its my driving...
changing spark plug leads asap
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Sun, 22 February 2004 08:04
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should i add that at about 160kmh the car seems to run out of puff... considering it's top speed is around 200..... whats the go there??
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Mon, 23 February 2004 13:10
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could the fact that my 5M-E was timed at 10 degrees (as opposed to 16 degrees) for a long time before i bought make any kind of difference?
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Tue, 24 February 2004 06:54
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Sun, 22 February 2004 18:04 |
should i add that at about 160kmh the car seems to run out of puff... considering it's top speed is around 200..... whats the go there??
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i got my auto poopra to about 180
with a boot full of crap, and a passenger
wasnt much of a challenge at all
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Tue, 24 February 2004 07:22
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| Cyber-punk wrote on Tue, 24 February 2004 17:54 |
| Evil_Foetus wrote on Sun, 22 February 2004 18:04 |
should i add that at about 160kmh the car seems to run out of puff... considering it's top speed is around 200..... whats the go there??
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i got my auto poopra to about 180
with a boot full of crap, and a passenger
wasnt much of a challenge at all
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hmmm.. mine keeps going, but pretty slowly. probably the rate of 1 km/h/second, if that...
so yeah...
would a compression test be beneficial??
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Tue, 24 February 2004 08:20
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yes
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Thu, 04 March 2004 05:40
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just a wild guess, would gear ratios do anything like make my car slower, in all respects? it still has a lot of torque....
dunno?! 
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Thu, 04 March 2004 09:24
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Yes, gear ratios can slow you down if your not getting a nice shift between gears. You Auto or Manual?
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Thu, 04 March 2004 09:50
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manual, of course
see im just wondering whether someone (previous owner) may have fucked with the gearbox/diff ratios/clutch
something there.... the SEEMINGLY runs too well to be engine....
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 09 March 2004 11:01
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okay, new updates.
got a loan of a G-Tech tonight- full tank of fuel, and a passenger. Here are my results.
run 1: 18.2 @ 76 mph approx (with passenger)
run 2: 19.3 @ 70 mph approx (without passenger- blerk)
run 3: 17.8 @ 78 mph approx (with passenger)
run 4: 18.3 @ 77 mph approx (with passenger)
run 5: 17.6 @ 80 mph approx (with passenger)
so thats kinda interesting.
0-100 times, were the following:
run 1: 11.9 seconds
run 2: 12.9 seconds
run 3: 10.9 seconds
run 4 i missed
run 5: 10.7 seconds
and a rwhp of approx 89.
so thats a slight reassurance, thats with a full tank of fuel too.
but, after talking to a friends dad (owns ballarat autopro)
they said the following:
get a complete fuel system cleaner product. whack it in the whole system- cleans everything, including injectors.
and the airflow meter- a guy that works there had a fouled/carboned up wire, (the wire that sense the amount of airflow) in his 180sx's AFM. do the ma61s have this wire?
he went on to say that, theres mesh in front and behind the wire (in the 180sx one) taking that off gives a dyno-tested 5-7 kw.
so yes... they said fuel system and AFM....
thoughts?????
cheers everyone
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Thu, 11 March 2004 02:17
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just whacked an unopened 5me AFM on....
doesnt seem much difference, but did a 0-100 run on the g tech and got 9.8 seconds, no passenger.
again, seems a bit better, but still, room for improvement.
the new spark plug leads go on today, and the total fuel system cleaner tomorrow.
then another g-tech run.
then, the fate of the white nightmare's 5ME will be decided....
will it be turbo'ed?
will it just sit there and enjoy itself until being replaced by a 7m?
who knows
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Fri, 12 March 2004 07:34
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Any chance of lending that Gtech again - be curious to see what the gt4 does when its back and running
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Sat, 13 March 2004 23:36
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7mgte!!!!!!!!!
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 15 March 2004 09:05
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hmmm my supra is moody
from running a 17.4 with a passenger @ 82 mph, and 0-100 in 9.7 seconds, to running an 18 again.
fuel cleaner next tank of petrol, ie, tonight.
then turbo.
fuck it, why not
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Fri, 09 April 2004 13:07
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okay
it turns out my clutch was fooked
new heavy duty one is in... and it seems like it flies off the line.... changing is a lot better, feels much lighter.
got a compression test done:
130
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145
130
So thats pretty good, no need to fret about sticking a T03 on it
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Mon, 19 April 2004 04:39
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 19:01 |
and the airflow meter- a guy that works there had a fouled/carboned up wire, (the wire that sense the amount of airflow) in his 180sx's AFM. do the ma61s have this wire?
he went on to say that, theres mesh in front and behind the wire (in the 180sx one) taking that off gives a dyno-tested 5-7 kw.
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You've probably already worked this out, but your car has no wire, nor any mesh, just a flap in the AFM.
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Location:
Ballarat, Victoria
Registered:
March 2003
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Re: supra qrt mile, phoaw
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Tue, 20 April 2004 14:07
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yeah, got that a while back-
thanks anyway jcmf, appreciated
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