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3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Sun, 19 May 2002 11:28
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Looking for abit more power, as one does  P
Its a 1986 Celica SX
My ideal plan is to put a later model MR2 3S-GE into it (RR to FF) which should give it considerable more power to play with. Few questions.
What has to be done?
Has anyone done it?
Any sites detailing formation?
Who sells the engine at the right price?
Admitadly, some would just get a 3SGTE, but wouldnt the added complications with a turbo being immense?
Not to mention it would quickly become a pole magnet.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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May 2002
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Mon, 20 May 2002 00:19
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do a search in google on st162 3sgte
and you will find heaps =]
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Sat, 15 June 2002 13:29
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I had 2 ST162's and they are a great car.
The motor is originally sporty and hot as is, very little scope to hotup further.
From a mate who replaced the 3SGE with a 3SGTE, this is a decent upgrade performance-wise. The big problem he faced, was because he only replaced the motor, and because it was still front-wheel drive was massive torque-steer under power. Possibly dangerous.
So the better way to go is to replace the whole drive train and go 4 wheel drive..I notice a frontcut and backend for $3000 in parts listing. Add another grand+ for fuelling, exhaust...is it worth doing, compared to changeover price for an equivalent stocker? You decide and good luck! 
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June 2002
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Mon, 17 June 2002 06:43
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hi i currently have a 165 3SGTE in my 162, it runs really well and i think you would be much better off putting the 3SGTE in and not a N/A motor. I am using an MR2 turbo gearbox in mine, i have minimal torque steer and the MR2 box also has the advantage of an LSD. If you have any further ?'s dont hesitate to ask.
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Tue, 18 June 2002 02:41
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Whoa! This is an very ole'message of mine, but neat to see people go past one page worth of replys 
Many questions? Damn Right
What were your costs? All up?
Halfcut? Difficulties?
Later problems?
Who did it? Where did the 1/2cut come from?
I could go on forever, but those are the key points...
Be awesome to get in contact somehow, you ever on ICQ or MSN?
Thanks Again
Jimboooo
Also, apparently there was a real late model 3SGE that had VVTI and was around 150kw? Anyone know anything?
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Mon, 12 August 2002 06:01
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Ive been looking into this my self i have a ST162 celica. pretty stockers, and i was looking into doing a 4wd or rwd conversion, altho the prob is the cost... will cost u aprosimately 10-15k + in a st162 cause there is no tunnel. ends up being too much.
soon im gona get a 3sgte pref from a mr2 and bolt that in with the g/b as my celica is auto atm 
I know someone that has done it and it is TUFF. anyway gl
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Mon, 12 August 2002 09:48
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youd want an engine out of a gt4...mr2 has different mounts..... and selector fork in wrong side of the box, gotta change it over to FF type...
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Malaysia
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August 2002
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Mon, 12 August 2002 12:24
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Hi,
I'm running a ST183 Celica 3S-GE (165ps) in my ST150 Corona.
I was wondering about the MR2's gearbox being fitted in a FF configuration, is it possible ? The thought of dumping in the 3S-GTE in did cross my mine but I found out that you can't "lock" the 4WD g/box of the GTE to run 2WD; unlike VR4s. So which g/box can I mate the GTE with ? I may be able to mate my current 3S-GE g/box but but it doesn't have LSD so I might get lots of torque steer with a 200++ Hp on FF configuration. 
Greetings from Malaysia.
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Mon, 12 August 2002 14:43
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what do you mean you cant lock the gt4 box in 2wd?
i have been running one for 6 months in 2wd...but they are just a shit box....synchros are piss weak and thats their biggest problem, oh and massive oil temperatures...
basically you open the transfer case up, pull out the hemispheres, unbolt them, pull viscous out, machine it open, pull crap out, weld it to be one solid piece, make sure splines line up of course, and fit it in, voila it runs 2wd because the crown is free spinning and not driving a tailshaft pinion, you have obviosuly made a plate to cover this i presume.
=]
also leave the transfer selector in 4wd
the lever has 3 positions
the one its in should be 4wd, middle is neutral, bottom is 2wd and apparently it doesnt last so dont bother, i didnt, just left in 4wd with locked viscous coupling...
michael
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Mon, 12 August 2002 14:45
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you will break the S series 3SGE box...
you can use GT4 box, MR2 box, V6 Camry box...
all similar
just different ratios and such...
camry has 3.6 final drive i think
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Malaysia
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August 2002
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Wed, 14 August 2002 06:29
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Thanks very much for the advise, Mikey,
I was told by my mechanic that it can't be done, so I guess he knows nuts after all.
I met up with an Aussie tuner residing in Malaysia yesterday & He told me that if I wanted the 3S-GTEin my car, he can actually transplant everything from the Celica over to my ST150; including the 4WD system !! 
Do you think it can be done; a 4WD St150 Corona ?? According to this Aussie, it's been done in Australia. If it can be done, safely of course; I'd love to have a 4WD Corona but this Aussie tuner's new around here, so I've to see any of his "creations".
Love to hear a second opinion on this, Mikey. Really appreciate it.
Thanks very much & Regards.
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Wed, 14 August 2002 10:15
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I got sick of people saying stuff cant be donewithout trying or knowing, sometimes it can be done but not worthwhile but thats a different story.
You can transplant 4wd...its not easy but anythings possible...i have seen it done in a camry, involves modifying the transmission tunnel (to fit tailshaft and ehxuast... welding a rail across the rear and different pick up points for the diff subframe/IRS. depends how much money you have (assuming you cant do it yourself) and how competent a guy you have to do it...anything is possible believe me but does the extra weight make up for it...thats why ive left mine FWD, the 4wd system adds 100-150kg.....on top of the motors extra 50kg odd
Michael
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: 3S-GE/GTE into ST162
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Wed, 14 August 2002 22:29
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my friend in NZ (phil bradshaw) has 3 st165 gt4's - and i can tell you that there is a lot of differences between the fwd st162 - the tunnel and boot pressings are very different - the fuel tank is bigger too. it will not just "bolt up" - easiest and cheapest option would be to buy a st165 - as they are 15 yesrs old now, and can be imported. not easy to find in japan, but the do turn up. you could have one on the road for about $8k, far less than you would spend on the conversion.
ps if anyone is interested, i have a st182 celica 3sge engine for sale - with all wiring, ecu etc
T
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