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Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 07:01
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I've recently baught a 1983 celica xt, and am begining to slowly do it up (its in pretty crap condition) i was wondering if it would be better to get a decent carb or go all out and get efi installed. I was just wondering if anyone had any opinions and ideas on what prices i would be looking at for both. (keeping in mind that at the moment i feel like an 80yr old around a computer when it comes to cars).
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 07:11
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Are you looking for more power? or better fuel consumption?
Either way, dont spend anymore on that motor.
It will go forever, but never produce any power worth yelling and screaming about.
If you want more power, do an engine swap
That said, if you get the bigger carby/efi system for free, go for it
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 07:17
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There are no bolt-on EFI options for the 21R-C, so you're looking at custom gear (ie $$$) if you want to make a 21R-E. I agree with the above, do an engine swap; a 22R-E is probably the easiest option since it will practically bolt in and you get the benefit of an extra 400cc. They're pretty cheap too.
The carby option isn't even worth considering, especially not on a 21R-C.
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 07:33
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21r-c's are that bad huh?
Oh well, how much would repowering it with a 22R-E cost (all up)?
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 07:37
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| Voney wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 15:33 |
21r-c's are that bad huh?
Oh well, how much would repowering it with a 22R-E cost (all up)?
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How handy are you?
How cheap can you find a motor?
If you are handy, try and find a wrecked Celica with a 22R-E in it, and swap what you need over.
Off the top of my head, you will need things like fuel tank/pump, wiring, ecu, relay system, motor, just to name a few
It gets quite pricey to buy things one at a time, so look for a wreck
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 07:51
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What he said. Engine conversions aren't cheap, even simple ones like this. It will still be cheaper (and better) than a custom EFI setup though.
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 07:51
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I'm not going for all out power, but i still want to be able to at least compete with some of my mates cars (ie. 3.3l torana, or a new lancer), is this at least remotely possible with my current engine or am i dreaming. I don't have much money (work at maccas) and was planning on doing it up over the next year or two.
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 08:00
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| Voney wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 15:51 |
I'm not going for all out power, but i still want to be able to at least compete with some of my mates cars (ie. 3.3l torana, or a new lancer), is this at least remotely possible with my current engine or am i dreaming. I don't have much money (work at maccas) and was planning on doing it up over the next year or two.
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Don't worry about competing with your mates for the moment
Let them beat you.
Over the next while, save up for a 1G-GTE conversion, and then blow the doors of most V8s and turbo 4's.
As for 1GGTE cost, factor in 1200ish for motor+gbox+ecu+wiring, and another 1200ish for exhaust/intercooler and another 600ish for unforseen things.
If you don't want to spend that much, then spend the money on stereo/rims/interior/body.
But hey, its all personally preference
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Wed, 18 February 2004 08:06
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yeh i'd read some stuff about the 1g-gte and was considering buying a 1/2-cut, but a mate of mine told me i would have to get the mountings changed and engineered as well as i would not be able to insure it because i'm under 25 and on my p's.
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Thu, 19 February 2004 00:56
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| Voney wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 16:06 |
i would have to get the mountings changed
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Yes, but its not the hardest thing to do on earth.
There are plenty ppl out there who can tell you exactly what to do.
| Voney wrote on Wed, 18 February 2004 16:06 |
engineered as well
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Yes, yes you will
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as i would not be able to insure it because i'm under 25 and on my p's.
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I wouldn't know about that, 3rd party wouldnt be too much of a hassle, but full comp would be very pricey indeed.
But I'm over in WA, so our insurance is very different, and usually a helluva lot cheaper
Above all, spend a good hour or so searching the forum for other ppls posts on what they had to go through, and how much it cost them.
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Thu, 19 February 2004 11:39
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i was originally going to do this in my ra60, the 1g-gte conversion-
the power to weight ratio is fine for victoria, so its legal to drive here, so i reckon you'd prolly be right for insurance in NSW.
needless to say i think its great, more and more RA60 owners popping up all the time. 
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Re: Carb vs EFI for RA60 with 21R-C
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Thu, 19 February 2004 13:04
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A 1GGE in an RA60 would probably be able to keep up with a Torana with a 202... that'd be the cheapest decent option, and if you decided later on you want more power you can install a 1GGTE and it'll bolt right in.
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