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SA63 with a 5M-E
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Fri, 20 February 2004 23:03
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Can anyone please help me with any sort of information that would be helpful to me...
i currently have an '84 celica (SA63) with a 2S-C and I now wish to convert the engine to a 5M-E out of an '84 supra....
Can anyone PLEASE help???
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Re: SA63 with a 5M-E
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Sat, 21 February 2004 01:17
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what location sump did the 2sc have? i.e front belly, rear, middle??
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: SA63 with a 5M-E
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Sat, 21 February 2004 03:26
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yes the 5me is long, but looking at my pics of the sa63 i owned i can say it will fit in. However, as zzt231 says, dont waste your money. Dont forget you need a new exhaust, all new custom work and electrics.
I agree with him, sell the sa63 and buy an ma61 
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Sat, 21 February 2004 05:43
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| V8_MA61 wrote on Sat, 21 February 2004 14:26 |
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I agree with him, sell the sa63 and buy an ma61
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Or do what I did... Have the two! 
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Sat, 21 February 2004 07:19
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Why also begs the question? lol
The 5ME only has something like 105kw isn't it? (or 98kw for the cressidas?), don't 2s-c 's put out 83kw? Not exactly a huge improvement for the money 
Why not think about a 1G?
Cheers
Wilbo
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Sat, 21 February 2004 07:51
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The engine bays of the 84 supra and 84 celica are almost identical to one another up until the front rail, that is were all the diffrence is!
The 2s-c has a front bowl sump.
The reason i have chosen the 5M-E is cause it was out of a historic car (the 84 supra, which in the day was japans fastest production car)
As I am an Auto engineer the work load does not bother me one bit, plus i am not goin to radical on the SA63 due to its older sister (TA22) which is soon to make an appearance!!!! 
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Sat, 21 February 2004 07:56
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I think you will find that they made the front chassis rails longer / wheel base longer for a reason 
But if you have your heart set on it (also it won't help the balance of the car with all the extra weight up the front either!) and think that you can do it for next to nothing go ahead... 
Cheers
Wilbo
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:00
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i have the ma61 sitting in my back yard next to the sa63 (the ma61 has been written off). so it should be fairly easy to mix and match!
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:00
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a lot of time and effort WASTED in my opinion.
At least do a decent conversoin like a 3sgte, or if you have no other choice bar a 6cyl, a 1ggte?
its still gonna cost in the vicinity of thousands to do te conversion unless you know everything about changing an engine and electrics...dont forget the 2sc was carby, it doesnt need a proper computer etc. Fuel pump will probably have to be replaced because of hi-p from the efi as well.
or...the nicest litte conversion...a little wedge 8 cylinder 
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:05
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i was thinking of a 302w for the ta22 but plans fell through after spending approx 20 grand on the 2.oL.
as for the electrics, my old man is an auto elec.
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:06
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spending 20k on a 2.0L
20k on a v8 well...you're getting serious then mate
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:09
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That would have been a real pain in the A** to have transplanted the V8???? although the power how long did the conversion take??
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Location:
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June 2003
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:16
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Thats not bad at all! although like i said the sa63 is my daily driver, the TA22..... now thats going to be a ride on the dark side can't wait...
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:16
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3.8L v6 commodore motors go like a shower of shit in ta22s also..even more so if you get a s/c one
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:24
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i bet it would, But i rebuilt a 21-R once, after doing it i had to have one!!!
i saw the potential inside it, high dome pistons (standard), fully floating pistons (standard) and the flow of the ports in the head.... it was amazing.
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June 2003
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Sat, 21 February 2004 08:27
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i know you wouldn't really class a 21-R as a performance engine but near $20,000 later and it exceeds what you would call a perrformance engine!!!!
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Re: SA63 with a 5M-E
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Sat, 21 February 2004 17:07
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| Donmik wrote on Sat, 21 February 2004 17:51 |
The reason i have chosen the 5M-E is cause it was out of a historic car (the 84 supra, which in the day was japans fastest production car)
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You will find that the fast Supra's came with a 5M-GE, not the anaemic 5M-E found in Aussie Supra's. Having owned one of these I can assure you it wouldn't have set any records in its day.
I agree with the above, you'll spend a lot of time and money to end up with a mediocre result. There are much better ways to improve your Celica!
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