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splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 02:22 Go to next message
anyone have any good links / resources on front splitter design, and what you should do with plating the underbody? also whats the go with canards? wank or work?

finally, does anyone have any info on spoiler design and placement on liftback vehicles?

yes ive tried google, but need a bit more info under my belt so i can search more effectively

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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
there you go ed:

http://e30m3performance.com/myths/splitter/splitte r.htm

gee thanks Smile
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 02:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/aero/tec h_aero.htm
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 03:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ignore it, and feel free to delete it

I thought it was funny at the time
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i know what you meant Smile

just giving my self a not so well disguised 'bump'
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
And im sure you know this already but the rear spoiler decreases lift and increases drag on an MA61.
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Wed, 25 February 2004 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oh, Oh I see

RETREEEEEEAAAAAAATTTTT
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Thu, 26 February 2004 00:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
try typing in "snow plow" and "towel rack" into Google. Very Happy

Seriously though,

If by canards you mean thoes wanky things on the new celicas, they operate pretty much within the boundry layer of the bonnet and would achieve very little. If anything they would increase drag.

Plating the undertray or Ground effect can work well on race cars but not so much on road cars. The reason being is that is really sensative to the height above the road and only effective within the first few inches. Not very practical for a road car. It may reduce some drag though and if you could build in some wedge would give some assistance for downforce. Try doing a search on "diffusers" These can also be incorporated into the front air dam.

Air dams work well as they are used to prevent air getting under the car, which causes lift (upward) and drag due to the pressure build up. Incorporating some diffusers to it's underside will also increase downforce.

A wing on a MA61 could be used really well as it could help to reattach the airflow down the hatch. Hard to do with a conventional sedan or hatch but the low rake on the MA61 hatch should make it a little easier. This would give a two-fold benefit in that while it would add down force, it will also reduce the wake size and reduce drag.

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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Thu, 26 February 2004 02:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ed, have you heard of wool tuft testing? im thinking yes, but this is how you could try a few things out.

might be able to find a few pointers here:


http://www.mulsannescorner.com/data.htm
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Thu, 26 February 2004 02:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
it would appear i have some reading to do Nod

it looks like the easiest thing to do would be a front splitter/dam and a decent wing in the right location.

i also believe a good rear diffuser can work well?

anyone have any sites/info on wing design and placement (principles only?)

as for wool tuft - yes, ive heard of it, but honestly dont know much about it
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Thu, 26 February 2004 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
http://board.performanceforums.com/forums/showthre ad.php?s=&threadid=67168483&perpage=30& ;highlight=splitter&pagenumber=1
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Re: splitters, canards and spoilers... Thu, 26 February 2004 06:58 Go to previous message
ED: 21st Century Performance By Julian Edgar.

Read it Smile
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