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Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 03:21
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I am going to do the conversion but just wondering do your eyes pop out of ya head when ya stop.What would it compare to Mazda RX7 serier 4,5 brakes?
Cheers Pete
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 04:37
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I think it stops in a rather average fashion.
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 05:20
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Well would like the eye thing.Could ya use a TA22 m/c for the 7/8 hole size.
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 05:45
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I have this combo fitted to my RA23 and its at least 60% better than original stopping power. I have never driven a RX7 S4 or 5 so I have no comparison to give you, but, its a *bloody* good upgrade. My first drive in the thing after the brake upgrade (still with stock MC 13?/16) scared me silly and I nearly broke my nose on the windscreen! I'm upgrading to a SA63 MC 15/16 as standard but bored and re-kitted to 1 inch size, as the current pedal travel is a little more than the original set-up, due to the greater volume of brake fluid that has to be moved through the calipers now.
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 11:26
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i have same setup with supra master and supra booster, im happy with my setup except i have crap skinny front tyres
and one locks b4 the other, which pulls the car hard to one way, any1 know how to fix this?
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 12:56
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That actually seems to be a Supra thing... most Mk3's I've driven in deem to display a similar trait. Perhaps it's somethign to do with the master cylinder design (blown head gasket perhaps? ).
Give it a good bleeding and check that one of your calipers isn't sticking.. but beyond that I think you might be stuck with it!
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 13:14
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Well, the front brakes are next on my list. I'm all ready to start the conversion in my TA22. (All i need is my car back from the Respray). I don't know enough, so nows a good time to start learning.
Whats the deal with the M/C size? what is the measurement refering too?
If not the pug/corona/hilux conversion. What setups have people used for racing applications, I know it couldn't be the OEM setup - one would get sick of running wide.
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 18:57
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have a look for my thread i started on this. i should update it.
it'll be about 4-5 pages back.
the std bore of the celica master is 7/8 - you can re-sleeve it to 15/16 like todd did OR do like myself and fook did and get a new one of a mitsubishi pajero/triton (which is 15/16 already AND dual circuit)
the 7/8 and 15/16 refer to the bore size (where the piston travels) inside the caliper FWIW - because you are going from single piston to 4 piston this means there is a need for additional fluid transfer, and, as such a larger MC is required.
fattony is also onto something. the std proportioning valve on the firewall will not be adequate once this setup is installed - ideally an adjustable one should be installed - this would help no end with that issue.
with respect pedal feel, we've seen a similar thing with commodores when they move up to the VT twin piston setup (except they move up to a 1" bore MC from 15/16) - the pedal albeit still ok becomes a little squashy - this can be alleviated by using the newer "fast fill" master cylinder from the VS onwards (1" bore) - there was also talk about leather shims *somewhere* either inside the MC or b/w the MC and booster to help alleviate crappy pedal feel - apparently a common problem with early commodores but ford fixed it with the XF...(am a bit sketchy on details here, but, it might help somewhere)
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 21:18
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Also, adjusting the length of the pushrod between the master cylinder and booster does wonders to how much pedal travel and feel you get.
With the leather shims I would say that these would be in the booster under the pushrod, it's called a reaction disc, and if it is worn out, missing, too small etc pedal feel and effectiveness become a bit strange. What happens with a lot of people is they take the master cylinder out, accidently bump the brake pedal, pushrod comes out and the reaction disc falls off (into the booster). Reassemble and hey wow my brakes are weird.
AFAIK most Toyota boosters don't have removable reaction discs (thankfully), so you needn't worry about this. Just screw the little nipple on the top of the pushrod in and out to adjust the length.
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Wed, 25 February 2004 23:45
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and one locks b4 the other, which pulls the car hard to one way, any1 know how to fix this?
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Hmmm, I would look for a flat spot on the tyre that locks first, as it will always lock first and at the same place every time in the future after you flat spot it.
Then get your wheel alignment checked.
Next up look at fitting the same proportioning valve as came with the original MC.
Don't forget that adjustable brake prop. valves are usually illegal in most States of Australia.
Last thing is that there is a slighly different length in the brake line pipes to each of the front wheels. Is the one that is locking on the shortest pipe ? Not too much you can do about this except be really anal and try and make equal length pipe runs. How much of a 'purist' are you ???
Cheers,
Mitch.
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Thu, 26 February 2004 00:07
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Also, check your actual calipers. When I first put the Corona brakes on my Corolla, this often happened and it was because the one of the calipers was sticking a bit. It eventually failed and stuck solid, which was rather interesting driving around with only 1 front wheel braking...
With adjustable brake bias valves, if I'm not mistaken they are legal as long as you can't "easily" access it, as in it's not in the cabin with a big knob on it... But speak to an engineer to clarify.
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Thu, 26 February 2004 06:53
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thats right fook, an adjustable bias valve is ok solongas its not mounted in cabin.
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Re: Peugeot/Hilux/Corona on Ta22 How well does it STOP.
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Thu, 26 February 2004 07:08
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Hmm while im actually a bit more awake now, i do recall that on two proportioning valves i have had in my car, both have been one down right pain when you use the brakes, for some reason the celicas love to lock the rear end first. With regard to the legality of a adjustable proportioning valve, i am fairly certian that they are legal on a car intended for road use, generally becuase a enginner suggested that i put one on, however i may be wrong on this.
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(That's on a AE86)