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87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Wed, 25 February 2004 04:48
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Ey all,
I have decided to get a 87-90 2.0L SX Celica, with the 3SGE, I am wondering what potential problems can i expect from one with around 180k on the clock? Also do they have any common problems? are they cheap to run and are they cheap to repair?
Thanx
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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November 2003
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Wed, 25 February 2004 08:27
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dont necessarily go with km's with a celica or toyota in general. as long as the car is looked after it can go past 400,000 with no rebuild etc. its not like a holden or ford. mines on 300,000 and 100% fine after last service. but like all old cars bits do need replacing and they more epxensive than normal car since its more sporty, eg larger radiators etc
but if u pick a dud, engines from places like motorshed geelong do imported st162 engines from jap for like $1500 with warranties etc, or could be a opp to update to a 3sgte
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Wed, 25 February 2004 10:56
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the only problem i know of having on rare occasions with 3sge's is spun bearings ..
maybe headgaskets on an even lesser scale
I know with the gt4's unit now - the headgasket isnt happy with constant 10PSI+ abuse daily ... though an uprated one handles it fine
Re the car itself - just the usual problems - worn CV's , suspension sags , test lock to lock - check for clunks in the driveshafts , engine smoke etc etc ..
As per before - a well maintained car should be pretty happy - even after big KMs
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Ballarat, Victoria
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March 2003
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Wed, 25 February 2004 12:04
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as far as ive heard the st162 celicas had a problem with 2nd-3rd gear synchros....
maybe check them? anyone confirm this?
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Thu, 26 February 2004 07:23
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yeah ny firend st162 did a beAring, not sure 'bout head gaskets but not as common as other brands hehehehehee
yeah cv prob might need ot be done and few otehr things,
but wen 4 people some how fit in it, most things r still fine eg suspension etc unlike other makes
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September 2003
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 00:43
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I have found an SX celica, for $5000, but it has a few problems. I cant go see it yet as its like 2 hours away, so this is what the guy selling it has told me. What do you guys think? is it worthing going to look at?
In General.. Its done 220kms, white, 16" alloys with low profile tires, fully optioned, registed but not RWC.
Mechanically its mostly all good, CV's are good, heatercore has been replaced, water pump has been done, cluch has been replaced. some problems are, gearbox is abit notchy and the rocker cover has a small leak. (what do you think these mean, I have no idea)
Externaly no rust on the body, very small bubbles on sunroof, boot seals are fine, no dints or scratches, got new tires and a new windscreen.
Internal's are great, no rips or scraches. all electrics work perfect.
Now he says it has VERY little to be fully RWC, so I wont buy it unless he gets the RWC done. So with that description do u think its worth me going on a 2 hour (4 both ways) drive to see it?
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 00:57
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well dude sounds pretty much how I bought my car, but I have spent $350 to get the 'bubbles' fixed on the sunroof and I now need a g-box job sometime in the not-too-distant future. Notchy gearbox will be VERY common on an ST162 Celica that hasn't had it re-co'd/replaced yet. Something special if the g-box is excellent.
Rocker cover leak? I doubt that, my bet would be that is it from the distributor-head "o" ring. Ie, where the two mate. LOTS of celica's leak there and I wouldn't worry about it unless it was something chronic. It doesn't take too long to fix. Unless the crank case is pressurising incorrectly or something.. but there would be other signs of that...
wonder why he had the heater core replaced... lot of k's too. New clutch is good. I guess if the g-box is only notchy you should get over 3-4 years before you have to worry about replacing it. All depends how bad of course...and how you drive 
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 02:07
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Sounds like notchy gearboxes are common with these - a mate is getting his replaced ($500 just for the 'box!) as the 2nd gear syncho has been crunching for 2 years and now it won't stay in 5th gear at all.
It may be hard to find one with a decent gearbox - however you could use it's faults as a "haggling" point, since it cost a bit to replace the gearbox.
Leakig heater cores can be found on lots of cars. Just be thankful you're not the one replacing it!
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 02:45
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what else shoul I ask this guy? and if I go down to look what else should i check other than the usual things?
Also, the ST celicas come with the 3sFe and the SX celicas come with the 3sGe, cause i am looking at another one that is an ST but has a 3sge in it. Is there any way to tell if the engine is the 103kw one by looking at it?
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 02:58
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the 3sge will say 3sge on the timing belt cover
the 3sge has a rather noticeably large head  Here is a rather dirty one
the 3sfe looks quite skinny.
The ST's didn't come with many electric options dude.. you sure it's not an SX. if the St has a different ECU than the SX?? I have no idea... that couldbe something to consider. I wouldn't buy an ST - cause they seem to sell for similar prices to SXs but are nowhere near as good. If it has a 3sge in it, maybe, but is it JUST the motor that has been swapped??? so many questions.. 
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September 2003
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 03:09
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The engine looks identical to that, same writing on the engine, and it has 3SGE on the timing belt cover. THe dealer says its an ST but I seem to beleve its not.
IF it is the 3SGE would it be the 103kw one? is there different versions of the 3sge one being the 86kw one and the other being the 103kw one. Or are they all the same?
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 03:16
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Ok im 100% sure the car im looking at has the 3SGE. It also has power everything including the sunroof. Is there anything on the body that would say it and sx. (all the stickers and toyota badges have been removed).
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 03:18
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Well if the Dealer says its a ST and your engine looks identical to Robs Celica, play with that, say yeah its a ST celica but i wanted a SX so can you drop the price for me .
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: 87-90 SX Celica Questions
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Fri, 27 February 2004 04:54
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lol
ST = 4 Wheel nuts (4 stud hubs)
SX = 5 wheel nuts (5 stud hubs)
that will sort it once and for all
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