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3s-gelc
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Thu, 26 February 2004 00:06
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Just bought myself a new celica (st162) after my other one had an *accident*
Its got a turbo charged 3s-gelc in it, and I can't seem to find much info on the net about this engine. Just wanting to know what you can tell me about it. I know its in the 3S family, but is this the original engine for the 162, or from another model?
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Thu, 26 February 2004 00:41
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A what?
correct me if I'm wrong 3S experts, but 3s-gelc? I think not.
I'm pretty sure it will be a 3S-GTE.
Check the ID tag in the engine bay, if its the original motor, it will tell you what it is.
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Canberra
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April 2003
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Thu, 26 February 2004 01:18
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nahh it would be the 3s-gelc that is the full code for the original motor that came in the Aus st162 (thats what is says on the compliance plate on the firewall), in japan they also had the 3s-gelu which had about 10hp more than the Aus 3s-gelc there are usually just reffered to as the 3s-ge though.
but if it has a turbo on it it is more likely to be a 3s-gte which came in the celica GT4's and MR2's.
So check the comp plate on the firewall and also check on the side of the engine (on the cam belt covers) check waht the sticker (if it has one) says, it'll either be 3S-GE or 3S-GTE (if it's turbo), or it could be a custom turbo install on a 3S-GE.
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Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Thu, 26 February 2004 01:36
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yep thats right, the compliance plate says 3s-gelc
the sticker on the timing cover is missing...
it looks like a 3s-gte, how can i know for sure? is there a number engraved on the engine at all?
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Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Thu, 26 February 2004 01:36
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3s = engine series and revision
g = wide angle performance twin cam head
e fuel injection
l = transverse mounted engine
c = crap emissions 
PS put in a 3sgte instead of turboing the standard engine.
daniel
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Sydney
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Thu, 26 February 2004 01:46
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how do i know if it still has the original engine....or if its been converted already? is there an engraved engine number at all that can tell me? or ill take some pics and post them tonight
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Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Thu, 26 February 2004 01:53
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opps im dumb and didnt read.
the plate that has the VIN etc will state the 3sgelc as the standard st162 engine. there should be a 3sgte sticker on the fron timing belt cover perhaps?
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Thu, 26 February 2004 07:26
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take a photo of it and show us
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Sydney
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Tasmania
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Fri, 27 February 2004 07:27
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Your car originaly had a 3S-GE non-turbo motor in it. You r car now has a 3S-GTE turbo motor in it. (The sticker on the timing cover once said "3S-GTE"). But it is probably still 2wd.
The original Celica GT4, ST205, had this engine plus 4wd.
Someone has modifyed your bonnet also, those bits don't look standard. Maybe the top grille is from a latter ST185 GT4.
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Sydney
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Fri, 27 February 2004 11:10
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| Jonny2TG wrote on Fri, 27 February 2004 17:27 |
The original Celica GT4, ST205, had this engine plus 4wd.
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Err, that would be the ST165.
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Canberra
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April 2003
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Fri, 27 February 2004 13:00
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hahaha  goddamnit 
yep thats the ST165 3SGTE gen1, same engine I have in my ST162, same for the scoop, it's off an ST185 GrpA, I have the same one on my bonnet, (your just lucky your car isn't white or it'd be almost identicle to mine )
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Seattle, WA, USA
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March 2004
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Sun, 07 March 2004 05:10
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Not sure if anyone cares, but the 3S-GELC/3SGELC code is a real code for a production engine, but as far as I can tell it's the same thing as the 3SGE engine. I'm in a similar position of confusion with this engine, because I'm thinking about buying an '86 Celica GT-S sedan with this engine freshly installed (new crate motor). I didn't know anything about it, so I've been tryin to find out about it, specs, design differences, etc. The seller claims it's a JDM motor, with 180HP. This would be awesome, if true, but everywhere I've looked online it just seems to be that the 3SGELC motor is the same as the 3SGE motor, but only the 86-89 production in Celicas. For the price of the car i'm interested in, I don't care if it's 180HP or the regular 135HP of the 3SGE, because of it's age and use, being new. But 180 would be a lot nicer, duh...
Anyway, I'm still doing more research on this, and if I find out anything new and important I'll post more info.
Oh yeah, the horsepower rating are US spec....
[Updated on: Sun, 07 March 2004 05:12]
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April 2003
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Sun, 07 March 2004 05:44
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at 180hp thats damn good, could be a later generation of motor out of an MR2 they fit straight into the FWD celica, In japan they also had an ST182 GT-R (wans't released over here) which had a 3SGE Gen2 in it, but the gen2 doesn't make 180hp.
Yeah as munki posted
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3s = engine series and revision
g = wide angle performance twin cam head
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l = transverse mounted engine
c = crap emissions
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Japan also had the gen1 with a U instaed of a C, whatever they exactly mean. actually thinking of it that one 3S-GELU makes 160hp that came in the ST162 GT-R in japan (linking back to original post) they needed it cause the 4WS made them a bit heavier.
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Seattle, WA, USA
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March 2004
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Sun, 07 March 2004 06:17
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Ok, here's some more info... I found this on another forum:
"I just looked through my 97/98 TRD catalog and on page 6 and it shows that in 8/85-8/89 the Celica ST16 came with a 3SGELC"
Note: this post was in response to someone asking if the 3SGE engine was given to the US (dumb question really...) But anyway, I've come to the conclusion that the 3SGE and 3SGELC engines are the same. The only possibly reason for a different code designation would be where it was made, or rather for where it was made, such as Japan or Europe versus the US. I know the euro spec 3SGELC is rated at 180HP, which I would assume would be the same for Japan, all things considered. This would make sense for my seller's claimed 180HP rating for a JDM 3SGELC. It sucks to live in the US... we get 135HP... bullshit! 
Anyway, back to the original post... you say it says 3SGELC, and is turbocharged and all that fun stuff. My personal opinion is that you may have a 3SGE/3SGELC engine (not 3SGTE) with a turbo manifold and head (see pics). Hence the "turbo" on the head. If I get the above mentioned celica with the 3SGELC JDM motor I would probably also do the same conversion so I could turbo charge it (in the distant future when finances are available). Now as for your HP ratings, I have no clue what's available in australia, or what spec engines you get. But hope some of this helps, and good luck!
[Updated on: Sun, 07 March 2004 06:21]
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April 2003
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Sun, 07 March 2004 10:20
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Mate you just put up a hole heap of shit which is explained in my previous post (two above this one) and thoughout the rest of this threaed.
No the motor he has is infact a 3SGTE, not a turboed 3SGE, man you have to read these things before you post up 
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Seattle, WA, USA
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March 2004
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Re: 3s-gelc
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Sun, 07 March 2004 23:46
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My fault, in jumping around posts, seeing who was replying to who, i missed the last one... I read them all thought besides that one. You guys are prolly right about it being a full engine swap, and maybe you can tell, but I can't tell for sure. And to me it would be just as likely to have a 3sgte top end and turbo manifold swap. cheaper. but anyways, that was just my opinion. the rest was just general info some of you might find to be worthy, who haven't heard of a 3sgelc, like me; it has more of a history that was stated earlier in the thread. Anyway, tis all cleared up anyhow... see ya in another thread.
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Dude, why is is blurred? Looks like a gen 1 3sgte to me
