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Mon, 12 August 2002 07:33
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I have just purchased a MA 61, it still has the 5me installed, and have a few questions, if you please.
1. What mods can be done to the current engine, within moderate price constraints (ie, cheaper than a transplant)?
2. On the subject of transplants, is there a twin cam version of the 5me, and what is involved with the transplant (ie engineering)?
3. Are there any other engines that can be transplanted with minimum engineering?
Thanx in advance
Boris
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Mon, 12 August 2002 08:52
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Apart from the usual intake and exhaust mods, there's nothing worthwhile you can do to a 5M-E that will cost less than an engine transplant. If you want a worthwhile performance boost, get rid of that boat anchor and put a decent engine in!
There is a twincam version of your engine, it's called the 5M-GE and it was fitted to the MA61 in just about every country except this one. My black Supra used to have one of these, and I can tell you it has MUCH more power than the 5M-E that used to be fitted to my blue Supra. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade!
Another popular swap is the 6M-GE, which is pretty much the same as the 5M-GE except it's 3.0 litres instead of 2.8. I have one of these in my black Supra now, and it has quite a bit more poke than the 5M-GE; it's especially noticeable at low to medium engine speeds. They're rated at 190hp stock, which is a very decent upgrade from the 120hp 5M-E!
Both the 5M-GE and 6M-GE will slot into your engine bay with minumum fuss. If you get an engine with ECU and related electrics, it's pretty much a bolt-in affair. You can still do it without the ECU, but it takes a little more fiddling (I did it this way with my blue Supra).
HTH 
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Re: MA 61 mods
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Mon, 12 August 2002 08:57
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speaking of norbie, is that supra of yours still sort-of for sale?
I've been looking round, but there are no decent ones around without panel damage ... and when you say then paint is "alright", is it slightly faded all over, or rusted, or chipped... ??
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Re: MA 61 mods
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Mon, 12 August 2002 09:20
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GO ON .... SAY IT
1J Transplant
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Mon, 12 August 2002 09:31
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Yes, my black Supra is still for sale. There is no rust to speak of (just a bit in the hatch, like all of them), there is no chipping, just the front end has a bit of "orange peel" happening (ie bonnet and nose cone).
I took some more photos this weekend after a wash and polish, it came up surprisingly good! Click here.
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Re: MA 61 mods
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Mon, 12 August 2002 09:38
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The only thing worth doing to your 5M would be to turbo it if you can track down an MTE exhaust manifold and dizzy. It's a T03 turbo so a VLT will bolt right up. After that don't bother, and some would say that's too much trouble already.
Thereafter your into transplant territory. 5/6MGE's are your cheapest options, can be had for less than $1K, will run fine off your 5ME ECU (provided you swap the sensors over) and should fit right in.
After that you can do 7M or a JZ series engine swap. These will require extra effort/significant cashola to get going but would be well worth it.
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Mon, 12 August 2002 11:04
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I did a 7mgte transplant which is a bit more expensive but bolts straight in and up to the gearbox.
Check out my new site below for some details. Still adding though.
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Mon, 12 August 2002 12:30
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Thanx for the info Norbie and the rest of you guys. The 5mge sounds like the go at the moment, I did forget one important piece of info, I do intend to rally this car in the future, and as such I need the car to have an engine that was homologated for it. Unless any one has any other info, I guess this will be the one for me.
So let me get this straight.... the 5mge will bolt straight up to the gear box, using the existing engine mounts, exhaust, and computer????
Is there a chip change required or recommended?
Is there any thing that I will need to know to get the job done with a minimum of fuss?
Boris
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Mon, 12 August 2002 13:04
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if ur alowed to use a 5mge, and they dont check the displacement then get a 6mge its identical to the 5mge from the out side! minus a mark near the oil filter
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Mon, 12 August 2002 15:55
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orange peel?
must only be a little bit, as there's no evidence of it in the photos
you said $4k?
how many kms has the new engine done?
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Mon, 12 August 2002 22:15
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Well, if you want to run it in rallies, then I strongly suggest you get a copy of the CAMS manual of motorsport and also join a CAMS affiliated car club in your area. It should have a rally/motorsport coordinator - chat to them and they will point you in the right direction. Pick a class you think you would like to run in, and see what you are allowed to do.
My gut feeling is that you will only be allowed to run the engines that came in that car ie 1G, 5ME, MTE, or 5MGE. The pick of that bunch would be the 5MGE.
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Tue, 13 August 2002 06:07
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I am currently involved with RAD, Rally Association of Darwin, and prior to that was a member of Hills District Car club in Sydney and Shoalhaven and Kiama Districts Automobile Club. I have been rallying for nearly eight years. Until recently the proud owner of a TA22 with a 2TGEU, which has been sold to run as a club car at Hidden Valley. I have bought the Supra as a street car from the wreckers, but can feel the pangs of rally bighting again, as I am posted back down to the South Coast NSW next year. Therefore as stated in a prvious post, I need the engine to be homologated for the MA61, which from what I understand, is the 5MGE. Thankyou for the info though, and please don't take this post the wrong way.
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Tue, 13 August 2002 06:23
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Ooops silly me!  I just assumed.....
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Tue, 13 August 2002 06:58
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owwwwww MA61 for rally use, mate hard to get panels for, big car and just not really rally inspired! put a 1UZ-FE in and use it to tow a light little corolla to the rally!
just my thoughts on it
Allan
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Tue, 13 August 2002 08:41
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| draven wrote on Tue, 13 August 2002 1:55 AM |
orange peel?
must only be a little bit, as there's no evidence of it in the photos
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Yeah it's not too bad really... after a polish you can only see it when you get up close.
That's right!
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how many kms has the new engine done?
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Not sure actually, it's been in two cars since I've owned it and I swapped the instrument cluster in one of them, so I sorta lost track of how many km's it's done! I've had it for about 2.5 years and I'd say I do an average amount of driving which is about 10,000km a year I think?
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Tue, 13 August 2002 12:49
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You are very right with regards the panels etc, however I believe the car should do well in the bush, ind rear end, slippery diff and four wheel disks, are all mods needed for the TA22, but are standard on the MA61. The car would be run in the over 2lt class, against Commodores, Falcons and Rotors, I think with the 5MGE and the extra horses it has, the package would be quite competetive in it's class.
Boris
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