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4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 08:11
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Hi guys,
My mate got done is his ae82 corolla, 4agze he runs an aftermarket ecu ( wolf3d ) front mount, extractors.
What happens if you fail an emmisions test ?
Also, where can we go to get the emmisions checked before heading out to the RTA.
Would like to hear people past experiences with the rta and emmisions tests. Actually any information would be helpful.
Thanks.
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Compton.Sydney
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Sydney
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Compton.Sydney
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 09:28
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I thought it was to do with smoke too.., my mate got done for a loud exhuast on his GTI rolla got a fine for it to and a defect
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 09:35
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Ok, the guy was out @ parramatta. ( street racing )...
Coppa pulled him over and started looking at the car cause he saw the programable ECU controller on the dash ;(
Thanks for the tips, i will get him to take it to a blue slip place tomorrow
He's got a k&n will that need to be in a box ?
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Compton.Sydney
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 09:44
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Well the i/c piping comes over the top of the motor and down to front bar.
The k&n sits right on top of the motor just underneath the bonet scoop.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 10:04
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you do of course know that using an aftermarket ECU in NSW is illegal, unless it is a MoTec, and it has passed a FULL emissions test (about 2grand), and has been sealed so it is not programmable after the test..
basically, get a stock ECU or he's screwed.. shoulda checked with an engineer first 
Cya, Stewart
street racing? he deserves it heh heh
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 10:52
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| hotrolla wrote on Tue, 02 March 2004 20:24 |
The emission's test is the decibel reading that has to be know louder then 90de and emission's test also includes after market air filter's that aren't in a closed box
(Pod filter's etc)
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I thought it was to do with smoke too.., my mate got done for a loud exhuast on his GTI rolla got a fine for it to and a defect
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you boys are talkng about different things....
Gunner is talking about emissions tests (ie exhaust emissions, ie HxC, NOx, CI etc)
hotrolla is talking about NOISE tests... thats totally different.
NIGZ is talking about shit cars that pour out smoke for more than 12/15 seconds. thats a different kind of emissions
he got pulled up cos aftermarket programmable computers are illegal on cars that are covered by ADR's.
stop the mis-information
good luck.
Cya, Stewart
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 11:11
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Here is what your mate should do:
Go to wreckers
Find any factory ECU
Take home and pull guts out
Fit aftermarket ecu into factory ECU casing
Remove rice boy wanna be cool hand peice from dash
Get blue slip
DONT BE A TRY HARD TOOL AND RACE ON THE FREAKIN PUBLIC ROADS
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February 2004
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 20:51
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I would be interested in where you can go for emission test before RTA as I am about to fit a 20v (with factory ecu) and I'm parenoid it may fail. I'd be interested in any feedback you get.
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 21:59
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Street racing is for dickheads. A guy (pedestrian) in Narrabeen got killed by someone in a Nissan turbo of some sort, racing his 2 friends - the traffic forensics estimated he was doing 120 in a 60 zone.
Take your car to the track or buy a go kart (saw one on here for 300 bucks) and stop risking innocent peoples lives!
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Tue, 02 March 2004 22:12
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Hi guys,
I have to step in here. Gunner put the post on for me. I lent the car to a mate and they were having a hoon blitz in penrith about a month ago. Noone was 'street racing' in my car. He pulled out of macca's, with a bunch of chicks in the rolla (as you do), and the car came on boost.
WE all know how loud a GZE is when it comes on boost so an undercover directed us to the RTA @ penrith.
Was great to see that not only the RTA was there, but the EPA (@ 9pm @ night). Obviously a co-ordinated 'lets pick on modified cars night'.
Its getting a little off topic, so please, if you have any help could you please assist?
I would like to know in particular;-
Has anyone passed the RTA emissions test? Not noise, not smoke, but emissions for N02, carbon monoxide etc.
I have heard its difficult and Im after a wolf guy, or knowledge on what is required for the early model EFI cars by way of emissions!
Any help would be great - and no, i'm not a street racing clown, or wanna be rice boy.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 00:21
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Isn't that what HKSPete had to do? His Delco-equipped 1UZFE passed with flying colours.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 05:04
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 03 March 2004 11:21 |
Isn't that what HKSPete had to do? His Delco-equipped 1UZFE passed with flying colours.
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what?
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Syndey
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 05:18
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its not hard to pass, read around some of the american forums and you will soon lean all the tricks,
i have got rx7's to pass before, if they can pass your 4agze can pass
dale
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 05:35
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| hotrolla wrote on Tue, 02 March 2004 20:24 |
The emission's test is the decibel reading that has to be know louder then 90de and emission's test also includes after market air filter's that aren't in a closed box
(Pod filter's etc)
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if you read the traffic regs, it states that a pod filter is illegal on carburetted vehicles only - due to it's non-plumback setup for crankcase ventilation. the only type that is illegal on EFI cars are the oiled type.
and an emissions test is more than just noise, it's also for CO and heavy particles readings. you will have to comply with the 90dB reading since it's post 1983.
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 05:37
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and a delco will always pass an emissions test, because
1) it is a closed loop system
2) it's an OEM computer.
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 05:51
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how do you come to that conclusion?
i guess it 'looks' factory, so won't raise eyebrows
as for closed loop, closed loop is not always active. it is usually disabled below a given RPM (stoich at idle is not always an ideal target) and is disabled above a certain load.
it really depends what rpm/load/cycle the test is conducted at.
if a delco is tuned badly, it will fail like most other computers.. it's the tuning, not the computer, that makes all the difference...
oh and a good working order catalytic convertor that gets up to temp...
hmm, maybe have an emissions cat that is closer to the manifold
Cya, Stewart
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 06:57
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a delco is a GMH computer. that explains the OEM bit.
it came in all EFI astras, pulsars, commodores, lexcens etc
obviously if it's tuned wrong it's gonna fail, but why would you fit a programmable computer and not tune it?
i was just comparing it to a microtech/wolf/injec/ems/whatever that it will piss on them as far as emissions goes - it's got more points for tune than a MoTeC.
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 07:30
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ahh k 
mor epoitn sthan motec? it's not the number of points that makes the difference, it's how well those points are chosen, and what you do with them
now if it had AFR targetting from wide-band O2 support that would be ideal!! (oh, oops, thats what UMS will do  )
not sure about the others, btu the Wolf V4 has some pretty good options, and most OEM putas are nowhere near as powerful as the Delco (and not all of the Delcos power is used for OEM anyhoo)
thanks for the heads up on the filters tho...
methink s the copper here was annoyed at the aftermarket puta (since it's illegal) and at the emissions test, havign ti still present should be an instant fail.... so first thing is to either hide or replace it......
good luck
Cya, Stewart
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 08:03
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I spoke with Alex Blaxland from Redline rotary today, he originally tuned the ZE. He does have a 5 gas analyser and says as someone above has quoted, if you can get a rotary to pass, the ze should be easy enough, if it fails.
Just wanted to know what the outcomes are if the ZE fails first time on the test.
Thanks heaps for your help guys, I will have to come out on a cruise with you before I sell this car.. Ive been slack!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 4agze defected :( Emmisions Test Req
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Wed, 03 March 2004 10:06
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have you called the RTA and spoken to the tech guys? they should be able to help more than the 'normal' RA people...
has the car been engineered with the ZE?
is the computer included in the engineers report?
Cya, Stewart
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