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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 21 July 2004 13:44
 
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Well you have been warned about not using searches - but if old forum grognards have a spastic fit at you for asking a question that they've already answered 500 times, then it's not my fault 
as for the GT2 blowing everything off the line -> it may be able to, but not in the wet.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 21 July 2004 14:34
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yeah well thats cause your a knob haha  read joking, joking 
No I dunno 200kw FWD not good combination 
I dunno what i am gonna do with it, I would like to sell it to a good home, someone who will take care of this icon (thats what it seems to be thesedays, not many ST162s are as well recognized as this one  ) but only to someone who would take care of it, otherwise I keep it.... in a shed.... somewhere.....
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 22 July 2004 09:13
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As for wet weather... no chance. mate i'm gonna have to get sumone to hide my keys from me when its pissing down!
hey wiso, can ur car beat gen3's or any imports?... just curious to what i should be expecting
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 22 July 2004 14:26
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Yeah - the number of times I've spun the fronts in the wet going around corners with the standard 3SGE just for fun is stupid - those things straight-line big time  A 3SGTE would do it in the dry as well - which is just plain evil
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 22 July 2004 15:11
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| Aust162 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2004 19:13 |
As for wet weather... no chance. mate i'm gonna have to get sumone to hide my keys from me when its pissing down!
hey wiso, can ur car beat gen3's or any imports?... just curious to what i should be expecting
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Why the hell do you wanna go out when it's pissing down? You can't see properly, what you want is for it to have just pissed down and stopped raining and it's 3am with no one on the road, ahhh melbourne consistant with 4-5 lanes where ever you go. Damn you should come for a cruise with me once you've finished, and also I need someone to persist me into doing this conversion, yes you heard me Im have 2nd thoughts (very weak on my part).
I reckon should hold on to the wheel very tightly and also expect to have some dirty underware after the 1st time you hit boost.
Im going to say No to the wiso beating a gen3 (sorry man) but the gen3 is 4WD with more weight but also alot more power, where as wiso's is a nearly stock gen1 3sgte with traction problems (once again sorry man i couldn't resist). Im pretty sure you know the power figures for each gen. 3sgte Aust162 so you should have an idea. As for the import thing, I also say No because they were slightly more developed. 2c
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 22 July 2004 15:29
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gen3's aren't 4wd he is talking about Commy SS gen3 V8's and I don't beat them but come close to them only like a couple of car lengths behind them and that is on about 9psi boost, yeah as you guys are pointing out mine is only a gen1, but draza only got 1.8kw more than me and he had a gen2 and I had a crappy paper filter at the time after a while you can learn to control your traction problems, and get some decent launches happening. and yes with the imports I do come damn close (like neck and neck) with likes of stock 200sx's, stuff in that range, considering mine is almost stock aswell, cept for the lightweight flywheel. not too bad
So there
So long as you don't obtain positive pressure (ie. boost) in the wet you have no troubles
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 22 July 2004 16:15
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I'VE BEEN SHUT DOWN AGAIN!!!  Whats with me and writing stupid stuff in this thread, I always seem to misunderstand everything everyone says, personally I reckon your all messing with me and I think the joke is over JK or maybe there's just not enough straight forward communication, OR!!! maybe I just cant deal with the pressures of being a/nother ST162 owner.
Thanks for pointing it out though wiso, but what the hell is a Commodore doing in this discussion thats where I got confused.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 02:44
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you need to take your " anti stupid comment " pills 
hmms - Traction is your enemy with a Gt2 .. As the bys said - learning how to apply / feed it on will make it friendlier to drive ..
thats what i love about the Gt4 - She might be heavier and slower in some respects in a straight line but you have little to fear with traction .
Ill part this much - Straight line speed for quarter mile - Gt2 all the way.
Everything else - is Gt4 territory - the FWD wont be as stable or as condfident in all other departments .
Thats not critisizm - its an honest first hand experience talking
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 05:04
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Haha - Sillycar don't worry 'bout it! Gen3 = V8 crap, 3rd Gen = 3rd gen 3sge/gte etc
I like 4WD My 2c, especially for going big sideways on dirt.
Found a cheap 3S-GE head today so I might grab it at build up that 5S-GE...when I'm done, anyone want it?!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 05:16
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i'm building mine for quarter mile FWD times, if i can get my times to about 12 seconds will be happy. Then i'll rip out the engine and convert it to RWD, i may even stay with the ST162 body for this.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 05:22
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Good luck with that draza but methinks it'll be a massive headache!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 05:23
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it'll be about 5 years till i try and get it to RWD so who knows.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 07:38
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Hey Wiso, you say you had a crappy paper filter... what have you got now? a metal one? coz i was thinking of getting a metal mesh one instead of whatever kinda standard pod filter i got now. I was wondering if the metal ones would actually be much better.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 08:32
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just wondering if anybody on here has hooked up a nitro kick to a 3sge and wot were there results.
i was thinking that a possible 50hp sized shot might be worth a second glance.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 09:16
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hey draza and wiso, 3sgte_Man (Nezza) Who just did his swap.gen2 in his st162, dynoed at about 120-25kws from memory.why such the big difference between the figures?maybe becoz of a different dyno machine????
update; my exhaust got finished today. the first cat connected to the manifold ended up being hollowed out so that was ok.
3" built off the hollowed cat,to new hi flow cat under car, then 2.5" piping to rear muffler with a resonator. everything mild steel and mandrell bent!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 10:26
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i recon a 50hp nos shot would go well on the 3sge, let it rip at the start of 3rd gear
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 11:01
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yeah i recon 3rd would be good to.
i havent had the pleasure of owning and st162 ( the hunt is on now for my very own one) but im already planning wot i wanna do.
when i drove my friends one it have a fair wak of torque steer (nothing huge but u notice it)for the power it put out so i recon it would be a waste to let the notri come on in 1st or second.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 12:09
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Both mine and wiso's run too rich at DD9. We also were using Shoot out mode, so it could be different dyno mode or even the dyno operator. This is why only the figures at the official dyno days are used for records. And i use these figures to compare cars as its more relyable.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 14:17
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Personally I reckon nitrous would be a silly idea for a stock 3sge, youd have to strengthen the internals first to make sure the engine will cope under extreme conditions, and after you finish spending money on all of that and the nitrous system, you probably would have been better doing a 3sgte conversion as it would last wayyyy longer, the GE would die after about 20-30 hits of nitrous and it wouldnt even be fun to drive on the street, it would be pointless (especially on a FWD) unless you were specifically doing it for 1/4 mile times.
On that subject, Draz I reckon youd get very close to the 12s, that black GT2 on fullboost ran a high 12 eventually (well from what Ive been told) but it was running consistant 13s when it was first built, with custom plenim, fm I/C, 3" exhuast, aftermarket comp. Personally I find drag sorta boring at times and trust me it costs sh#tloads just to achieve a 1sec difference, but I havent ran at the strip yet so I cant say too much regarding the thrill people get.
*Classique hands over some of those pills before I say something stupid*
Yeah the idea of making the ST162 RWD has crossed my mind too many times, I reckon it would make an excellent drift machine, but for some reason I dont think it's possible, UNLESS, you have plenty of $$$ and wanna somehow customise the chassis/body.
On a bad note, there's a slight possibilty I might not do the conversion (already hitting myself), wiso's heard plenty on this topic, but there is also a good chance I might so don't lose faith people. Ill keep you posted
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 23 July 2004 14:57
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still a crappy paper filter, I got it from god knows where Dyno tune ones I think, pretty damn restrictive, I have a K&N one at home in the garage clogged with dirt, and a cleaning kit sitting next to it, I have just been lazy and forgot
Thats cause he was running like 12psi boost for that, draza was running stock boost like 7psi and I was running 9psi through a gearbox that was double the size, thats a good reason.
If you really wanted to make an ST162 rear wheel drive only the best way to do it is get an ST165 shell, make some custom engine mounts and north south your engine, have any of you guys seen Justen's ST185 with 1UZ twin turbo, read wheel drive only, or as most like to call it UZ185.
Yeah drag is boring an pointless, give me track work or rally anyday.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 02:24
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I would imagine it'd be a bit of a squeeze in the engine bay of a '162 to get the engine running N-S, especially given the engine mounting layout of a 3S-GE....putting in an already rear-wheel drive engine would be alot easier. Are there any reardrive 3SGE cars out there?
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 02:26
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(as in front engine (NS) rear wheel drive)
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 08:18
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there are ae86's with 3sgte's, does that count?
draza my gt2 conversion started on the 29th June and is still going... (was told 1-2weeks tops), i cant wait any longer. man i miss my car 
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 08:34
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! 
My Gt4 3sgte replacement has taken 5 months ( and its a bolt in swap! )!!!
get used to waiting - 3sgte's are cursed with long waits, especially when spanners are around them
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 12:38
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Aust162 is someone actually doing the conversion for you!!! If so who, and also if so thats pretty lazy on your part (sorry but Id get personal satisfaction doing it myself)
Anyway Im probably looking at a 180SX tommorrow, *everyone looks at me in disgust* ohhh well its just for reference, I might also look at a 88 Supra GT. I dont have the cash but if its worth it and in good nick, I might get it, then I'll have 2 cars, not bad.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 15:35
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| Classique71 wrote on Sat, 24 July 2004 18:34 |
get used to waiting - 3sgte's are cursed with long waits, especially when spanners are around them
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Ohh trust me I know that one,
took me 2 months to do my gt2 convo, started begining August 2003 finished end Septermber 2003, and since have had the engine out twice, I think I have pro'd it now I can take the 3sgte out of my car in about 3-4hrs, same for back in.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 15:37
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I think it's pretty common for people not to oversee their own conversions...it takes alot of equipment and effort etc etc.
Having said that, I'm stupid enough to attempt it - picked up another ST162 head today - just thinking about the 5SGE TA23 .... mmm 4/5th gen power in early 'leaka.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 16:13
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| SillyCar88 wrote on Sat, 24 July 2004 22:38 |
Aust162 is someone actually doing the conversion for you!!! If so who, and also if so thats pretty lazy on your part (sorry but Id get personal satisfaction doing it myself).
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SILLYcar88, yes someone is doing the conversion for me...As for "Lazyness on my part", that has nothing to do with it,and for the record u dont know me, so u cant make that judgement.
An engine swap isn't as straight forward as u may be thinking, it requires access to special tools and equipment/space that i dont have. Also finding time to do it,(i work fulltime)
As for having the satisfaction of doing it myself, that would be good, but i'm no mechanic and this job is beyond me.
Personally from the dumb questions that you've been asking, we all know that u couldnt even get close to completing it yourself...
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 16:31
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aust162 - you are going to need five times the jovialness to pull a statement like that last sentence off on an internet forum without getting 6 pages of pissing contest going.
Try adding some more emoticons like this
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 24 July 2004 17:00
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| FWDboy wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 02:31 |
aust162 - you are going to need five times the jovialness to pull a statement like that last sentence off on an internet forum without getting 6 pages of pissing contest going.
Try adding some more emoticons like this
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i was only pointing out that from some of the stuff that he has said i dont think that he would be capiable of compleating a full engin conversion himself...
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Ohhh nice, I'm pretty sure the GT4 option is going to be better than the SW20, probably less screwing around, I think, anyway my mate has a oxy welder so I should be right, just remove the pinion drive, lock the coupling, might need to change some suspension components and some other stuff concerning the shift levers. Im not 80% sure yet, but wiso's used the GT4 box and I'm sure he has some nice info but he may not want to pass it on???
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just one of the many examples...
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 00:38
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Meh - if I wanna dis someone I'll do it in PM rather than clutter a good thread with bollocks.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 02:33
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I have rebuilt 2 motors and done 2 engine swaps... but only one was done on my daily driver... and i wont do it again. For the simple fact that its just to much of a hassle to do the job when u need the car... and for personal satisfaction is for people who cant do the job.
But after saying this the 3sge is coming out... for reco box, clutch and head job.. hehe.. but its all good... got another car to fang till its done.... AE82... 4AC!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 03:56
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Whoooaaa, I wasn't expecting that, dude I wasn't trying to be insulting (unlike yourself), but for the records you also don't know me, so your unaware of my capabilities.
YES I agree Ive said some stupid things, for F#ck sake I at least point out to everyone that I said something stupid. But some questions do need to be asked, shit I didn't design the bloody car so how the f#ck am I meant to know everything, thats why I ask Questions! because I know there is alot of helpful people on this forum (you know who you are) that even through my stupidity can answer these question so I can get a clear idea in my head how Im going to perform this conversion, you also don't know if Im getting help, or if I have a scrap book next to me at all times, and sit up late at night reading all the info I have, or even if I have helped others in their conversions. I know a conversion is hard but at least I have dedication to perform such a task instead of payin someone to do it for me, because I might not be able to throw around cash so easily and I also don't have the time and space but Im still having a dig at it.
Yeah I might of been a little out of line saying lazy, but sorry my friend, your comments were out of this world, judgemental and uncalled for, using my old quotes is unnecessary, by the way I really don't give a f#ck if you don't think I can do it as Im sure many people probably think I couldn't, i have nothing to prove to you.
Anyway Im not getting any further into this because Im agaisnt it, it happens all too often in this forum.
I agree FWDboy a PM would of been much better so no one would have to listen to this bullsh#t, but Im leaving this here to clear it up with everyone.
Thanks
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:20
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yeah Classique71 a 3sgte in the Supra, I think you have ementioned that before.
Agree with FWDboy, you 2 have each had your say, now leave it at that.
HAHA Dar_sbb I was the same when I did my celica convo I had a 4ac ae82 to criuse around in, now while I get my MR2 on the road I have the celica.... go figure
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:36
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On a bad note: Im considering selling my 1st love, it has nothing to do with the pressures of the conversion, I've just realised that the st162 isn't what Im going to want in the future or actually ever dreamed of, it was just that it was my 1st car, the idea of a 3sgte was great and looked very promising, right up to the point of nearly buying one, but I think it's not meant to be. Anyway I can "talk da talk but I cant walk da walk" Im more ashamed of myself than any of you.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:49
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sell the 162 down the track - re invest - get a Gt4 - and go silly
everythings factory fotted - just build on what you have
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:59
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Any idea what you could possibly get that is better than an ST162
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:05
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Oh yeah Sillycar88 - you need to see someone about your self-depreciation
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:34
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Ohhhhh finally someone's noticed
Nah dude I'm all good, seriously, I just get hard on myself, you would too, it's like running a long race and then just giving up but kinda different, well actually not even close anyway you get what Im trying to say.
Yeah a GT4 would be cool, but thats still not what I want, I've always loved the MA70 but couldn't find/buy one when 1st looking for a car, and as most of you may have noticed I'm very involved in drifting, and you may also notice that a FWD is not ideal, and Ive also really liked the 180SX (Yeah every man and his dog). My initial idea was to eventually own all 3 cars, but thats kinda unrealistic.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:40
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Trueno !
be teh Driftorz Envy
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:56
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Yeah thought about that, but I wouldn't want the Ozzie spec one, anyway its not quite to my tastes, I think the 180s look damn sexy if done right, and I know as this is a Toyota Forum that everyone is going to be biased in a way.
But yeah the st162 is a 1st car and I shouldnt take it too seriously, it's a great car and had great plans, if only the celi was RWD it would be mad and id keep it.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 26 July 2004 03:33
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MR2's SW20 or AW11 don't drift that well, with all the weight in the rear the create more of a pendulem effect where you can't snap it back, plus it also comes down to they have an incredibly short wheelbase, not good for swining the back around.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 26 July 2004 07:27
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Spot on wiso, the mr2 didn't even come to my mind anyway, plus they're a pain in the arse to get parts or even to fix, its so cramped in the e/bay.
Yeah I was there it was actually organised by FullLock, my mate won the Amatuar class in his 180.
I bought a Option DVD today, I got home and I can't even play the damn thing due to regional restrictions. 
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:20
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| SillyCar88 wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 17:27 |
its so cramped in the e/bay.
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Should be at home then owning a 162 and all
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 27 July 2004 14:03
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I'll save my mid-engine driving opinions for the 'Mid-engine driving dedicated thread' from now on
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Wed, 28 July 2004 07:13
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hey fwdboy hope u didnt think i wasnt having a go at u.
was just saying wot ive seen. 
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 28 July 2004 09:15
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Hope it wasn't at me either, because I don't want a MR2 and frankly never did, I'm definately switching teams and going the 180, nothing against Toyota, just doing it because it's my choice and prefer the 180 to any of Toyota's (and Nissan's for that fact) range of drift platforms. I don't wanna be a hero, there's too much publicity. If you get my drift (pardon the pun)
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 28 July 2004 14:15
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yeah i got 122.2 fw fw with a dyno dynamics dynoi using shot out mode 2004, about 23 degrees and low humidity, running rich as fuckas well and i hit 12psi but thenit went back down cause the factroy turbo vsv was still on and that 122.2kw is at 10psi, i got top gun lead kit, NGk iridium's and a K&n pod down past the clutch salve cylinder.
ATM it running about 14psi, but dies down to 12psi od, my boost gauge shows 2 psi more and i'm counting for that, and the dyno boost figure is true cause it was taped into the dyno computer and ploted against the power garph.
Nezza 
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Wed, 28 July 2004 14:20
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al so i dewed up this VS Cluby and he throught he was the shit i went next to him at 70km/h and dumped 3rd and he dumped it and i pulled 2 lengths on him instantly and he stoped, he stoped giving me the finger didn't he!
Nezza
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 29 July 2004 04:30
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Haha - good work!
Nah I don't think you were having a go at me olihaub...I'm still trying to avoid thread cluttering (of course, I keep cluttering the thread with comments about not cluttering it...*sigh*)
As for the 180SX thing, I can understand that if you are only interested in drift-type stuff, nissan have made many more recent front engine rear-wheel drive cars than toyota have so it's only natural that that's where you'd go to.
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 29 July 2004 10:01
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Hey guys
Well i've got the SAFC installed, but i've found out something, with crappy racing pedals i only got 60% throttle use, and when i took them off, it went to 100%, now tell me this, you reack this would of dis-advantaged me on dyno day?????
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Location:
Gold Coast
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January 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 29 July 2004 11:01
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ummm yes man that would of done a shit load to make u lose power,a nd all so i would of throught u notise that the first tiem withthe pedals u didn't have full throttle!!1
Nezza
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 29 July 2004 11:16
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yeah, i would of thought so too, but its kinda hard to tell really, you think your got 100% throttle cause you got your foot all the way down, but cause of the bolts i didn't realise that i had more room for extra throttle...theres something too look into racing pedal owners..lucky the SAFC cleared things up for me.
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it all comes back to that story about the hare and the tortise she may even be a match for you in the corners stu (edit: haha am I an idiot not likey, not with your franken 3sgte, depends how much turbo lag you have though 
