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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 05:35
 
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however with age I have discovered that the pressure sender gets a bit tired, and often the connection gets loose.
I merely brushed up the connection between my wire and the pressure sender, and my "pressure" went up.
Currently I live about 5mm from the bottom at warm idle, and near half when cruising/accelerating.
I have had it tested profefssionally and I am perfectly within the toyota factory spec.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 07:28
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| RobST162 wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 15:35 |
however with age I have discovered that the pressure sender gets a bit tired, and often the connection gets loose.
I merely brushed up the connection between my wire and the pressure sender, and my "pressure" went up.
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Same here, when my bypass hose broke i cleaned all the connectoins around it, and the oil pressure went up.
mine almost always sits in the "right" area if you get me, sometimes it mige be a few ml off when idleing.
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Melbourne
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June 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 07:48
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on acceleration mine is 3/4 the way up
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:02
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Yeah the gauges are crap, I've yet to get mine tested, but it's covered 10,000kms fairly easily with thrashiness and hasn't spun a bearing...I will get it tested as soon as possible.
Where can you get A/M O2 sensor from? Repco or something like that? What brands have people used in the past? I know someone gave me a link a while ago, maybe NGK or something 
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:03
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uh.. O2 sensors.. I think bosh makes a pretty good one... 
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:21
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hahaaha
lol
I didn't know the whole history of the O2 device.. I just knew my next one was going to be a bosh thing.. wow, inadevertent patronisation, That's quite funny
ok.. those are my long words for the day
I have no idea about the screw dude.. is the adjuster perhaps located slightly diffo place on the 162?
meh.. I have no idea.. stop typing now
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Melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:25
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Does anyone know roughly what a reco motor costs for one of these cars? Mine's a '88 SX. Im interested in the cost of the motor, not incl. labour etc. Whats a JDM motor worth these days?
A mate of mine is getting one installed in his '86 model - all up costing about $3500. Is that a fair price?
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:27
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holy crud
I would have said that was very expensive... is that just a JDM 3SGE + ECU + Installation?
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 09:35
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Jdm bare motor costs around 1200 that was a year and a half ago.
shouldn't need a loom or ecu, they work fine with the standard equipment, well mine hasn't broken yet dunno about labour because I put mine in with help from my dad.
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 10:17
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Yeah that does seem a little bit steep! I'd look for closer to $2000-$2500 at the most??? But then again, I wouldn't get someone else to do the work, I'd just get the parts and leave them in the shed for ages and then do the work myself in 2009.
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Sydney / NSW
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March 2004
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Melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 12:53
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lol 
Yeah, I reckon he's getting stooged. Apparently its a fully reco'd motor, like almost every component has been replaced. But I dunno, you can't always believe mechanics.
My motor's in its twilight age, 200 000k's and its starting to show. After that water pump thing it hasn't been as responsive as normal, and its sprung an oil leak from somewhere up above the diff (can't see where its coming from as there's about 4 or 5 other minor leaks too). So im thinking about engine options! What's does a Gen2 3S-GE go for these days?
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March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 15:00
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| smashed_wombat wrote on Wed, 15 September 2004 22:53 |
its sprung an oil leak from somewhere up above the diff (can't see where its coming from as there's about 4 or 5 other minor leaks too).
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ammmm....where exactly is your diff located? 
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 22:13
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Isn't that large round bit that sticks out of the g.box and has the driveshafts coming out of it a differential? Or am I mistaken? Anyway, the leak is coming from somewhere just to the right of where the gearbox and motor join. Its bad, I've lost 1/4 of a litre in the last 2 days!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 22:25
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if you cant actually see where its coming from, then i hate to say it looks like your engine main seal is fucked. the part costs $20 and the labour costs $400 , unless u do it urself...
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 15 September 2004 23:59
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Yeah - I had the same problem - sometimes the oil gets onto your drivshafts and goes everywhere making the leak near impossible to find...doing the rear main oil-seal isn't too big a bitch, you don't have to take the gearbox totally out to do it...just partly.
I would suggest that it is the rear main crank seal - I had to go through the same oil leak searching as you did, replaced practically every other seal in the engine as well (they were old anyway) just trying to find the leak!!!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 16 September 2004 02:34
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It looks like its coming from too high up to be the main seal, unless it tends to leak from about the height of the HG (stranger things have happened with this car). It seems to have stopped though, but now i can smell coolant when the engine is running... Whatever needs doing, I'd probably do it myself with a mate who's got the tools. Thanks for the help so far!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 16 September 2004 02:47
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Mate, i had oil on the intake manifold and it was still the rear main seal that was the problem. That and the power steering pump
It's never too high up to be the main seal...especially if you can't find it's exact location...you can do what I do, and replace the dizzy seal, rocker cover seals, camshaft seals, head gasket front crank seal, oil pump seal EVERY bloody seal BUT the rear main and still have oil leaking...or you can just replace the rear main seal.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 16 September 2004 03:04
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Damn, that's a good point. I'm gonna get the cooling system pressure tested, wonder what a 'professional' will say about the leak.
Since I changed the timing belt the engine's making this sound like power-drill, it changes pitch with the revs. Its coming from under the timing belt cover I think. Have I not put the belt on properly and its rubbing on the cover, or are the pulleys stuffed? Is there a right and a wrong way to put them back on?
Sorry about all the questions, its just that im a noob DIY mechanic!
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 16 September 2004 03:26
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I had the same problem with whirring once I put my engine back together, few possibilities ->
- Your belt is loose
- Your belt is frayed due to rough treatment
- Your pulleys' (idler/tensioner) bearings need replacement
etc etc.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 17 September 2004 06:49
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So either way I'm gonna have to pull the timing belt covers off... mmm maybe i'll wait till it dies (which might not be long ). That oil leak seems so be coming from above the gearbox. Can the headgasket leak oil in that area?
Why are aftermarket replacement parts dearer than the genuine Toyota ones? Like, that water pump was $140 from Repco, $80 from Toyota. The thermostat is $32 at Repco but only $14 from Toyota? But some things are dearer, like $110 for the flasher can from Toyota but only $38 from Repco!?
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 17 September 2004 06:52
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apparently toyota pricing is linked to oil prices...
just make sure your distributor o-ring is not cracked mate.. it is 15minute fix and only a few bux
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 18 September 2004 00:55
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Mmmm - toyota parts prices
Question about resetting the ST162 ECU I saw this in another thread | Quote: |
Have you reset the ECU lately?
To reset the ECU properly you must:
1. Get the car to operating condition
2. Turn the car off and remove the EFI fuse
3. Wait 30 odd seconds then reinstall the fuse
4. Start the car... wait for the idle to stabilise
5. Then turn the car off and repeat process 4 a couple more times
6. Once the idle has stabilised go for a drive for 15 mins.
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That would reset all the maps to factory? So you would have to drive it a fair number of k's before all the EGO stuff adjusts the maps back to something that better suits the age of the car?
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 18 September 2004 06:18
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I thought you only had to do it once, but anyway I guess that's about right.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 20 September 2004 08:03
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Ok, need a part to get rid of an annoying rattling sound.
the part required is the bolt that holds the heat shield over the starter motor.
Normally it wouldn't bother me but I'm looking at selling the 162 now as I've spent way too much and it's never going to be finished. Although I might be keeping it as a race car which means spare parts for all who need black interior panels .
Incase you were wondering I'm looking at getting a Celsior.
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 21 September 2004 02:01
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about the starter plate mate
mine used to do that too.. I tried tightening it.. but it just didn't seem to go in.
So I just got a 10mm ring spanner and slowly took it off. Took ages.. but it unscrews. The bolt is right under the exhaust. If you have stock manifold you might find it hard to get off.
That said.. taking it off exposes it to more heat.. so the starter might not last as long.
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Gold Coast
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January 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 21 September 2004 15:41
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hey it me again it been a while. Well i got my BOV fitted finaily (my turbo wont be hurt by 14psi of surge now, lol) (also i've had the BOV in my room since before i had the st185 cut in my garage, lol)!
Rob, man that is fucking sweet (1998 VVT-i 3s-ge box) is it stornger, more synicos?) also to test if it got LSD, dail up 5-6k rpm and dump the clutch and if there TWO black marks then it LSD!
And also Rob next time u uup on tamborine mountain with aulay make sure u get him to ring me so i can show u my GT-2 that twice he's done it fucking and on the second time i waved at him as he passing and then i see him that night and i go there he going, he said he droping u off at air port, i'm like u dumb fucking Aulay, lol.
But yeah he doesn't remember, u should be able!
And how much that box set u back? and hows the LSD cause i've been told LSD and FWD turbo car not good, like shit cornering (this is on a cordia with 300hp but that owner sweard by open diff!
Nezza 
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Gold Coast, QLD
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 22 September 2004 05:54
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| Farmsci ST162 wrote on Fri, 03 September 2004 10:43 |
i wouldnt have thought so either but i read the wiring diagrams and all the pinouts used for the AFM on the gen 1 instead go to the TPS, Air Temp Sensor and PIM (also called vacuum sensor, later discovered to be toyota speak for map sensor). then to clarify i loaded up a set of photos from my friends brothers sw20 engine bay and sure enough, no AFM!
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Hey Steve, haven't heard anything about the Gen 2 conversion for a couple of weeks....hope that doesn't mean you've hit a snag!
How's it all going? Inquiring minds want to know! 
-Matt
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 22 September 2004 14:14
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Yeah, I don't think that 1990+ 'S' series engines used AFMs (ie the 5S-FE, 3S-GE 2nd gen etc etc)
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Canberra
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 05:54
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not so much hit a snag as got swamped with work at tafe, then quit my job and became insanely broke. but as of friday night im on two week term break and i plan to kick it over within the next few days, only have to wire up the fuse box and stick in some oil before it should start... unless of course ive incorrectly wired something. from then on i more or less just need money to finish everything off. i hate being unemployed...
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:45
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Ok guys, i have a cracked pistons, and now i need new ones. What does anyone know about replacing them, and how much will it roughly cost?
cheers
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:50
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HOLY CRAP!
bro.. what the??? did it happen today? how do you know? you SURE?
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 06:54
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i was gonna put up a post when i get home to get rid of a bunch of gen1 3s-ge engine parts. my old motor spun its bearing so i dont know if the pistons would be in any kind of bad condition. but i sure aint using em if youre sure you need some.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 07:00
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then again thinking about it youre probably better off just getting another engine, youll need to rebuild that engine (approximatly $5000) then on top of that buy pistons.
id look at either getting a motor imported or upgrading to a better one depending on repair budget.
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 07:02
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Julian tell us exactly what happenned dude.. your motor (and car!) is like brand new!
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 07:28
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well the car has been running on super lean fuel ratio, and apparently the pistons eventually cracked on the dyno today.
When i got the car back, all i could hear was this clank after 2000 rpm. So apparently the settings of the safc were completely wrong.....!!!! was quoted 1500 to replace the whole piston kit....
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 07:53
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man that sux bro! Yeah the only thing I could have thought was if the car had been running super lean
though.. the guys on the dyno should not have let it run lean while it was on there! And they gave it BACK to you clunking like that? geez.. you gonn visit them tomorrow? can I come? $1500... hmm not too bad.. hope the head is ok
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 08:05
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ahh i already went dude, so next thursday i've booked it in to get new pistons done, so yeah not driving it until then.....
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 08:08
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I think you should take it further man. If someone tuned it so lean that it wrecked your pistons in so little time with so little driving it is worth at least writing a letter to the peeps where you bought it from, and maybe asking Hills Motorsport why they let it run so lean on the dyno..
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 08:13
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yeah i guess its a good point, but i guess you have to live with the consequences with modifying your car, no-one really had any idea of how lean it was running, until it was put on the dyno, it could have been any number of reasons, maybe the dyno was all that was needed to crack it because i never drove it hard enough to break it....i'll see how we go, i'll go ask around...
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 15:25
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Hmmm - I had a feeling that that might happen when leaning out the fuel...there is a reason manufacturers run rich mixtures. Having said that, it's pretty unbelievable that they would kill the pistons considering that they are a dyno tuning place. Silly fools, generally they would adjust the map one load point (100rpm or so) at a time so as to not screw it up and blow the thing on the first run. Looks like they didn't play it safe.
I'd be questioning their practises mate, sounds dodgy.
Btw - damn!!!
Although, it's possible that you may have weakened the material by running it lean for a while. Once frailties start to appear in the structure (due to big changes in temperature) there usually isn't much you can do for them.
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 15:31
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Is it just me, or have I been quoted in someone's sig???
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Geelong.Vic.AU
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September 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 15:40
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I think i remeber seeing that somewhere esle b4
although I might have had one 2 many......
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April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 21:16
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rofl.... maaaaayyybbeee
but it is such a NICE quote.. and so so flattering! 
How about I whack a credit on there huh
It is the dudes at Hills M*** who did the dyno tune.. perhaps the best reputation for local tuners
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 23 September 2004 22:30
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Well anyway i've figured a few conclusions, it could have been a number of reasons why it had cracked..anyway i've been thinking maybe this is an opportunity for me to upgrade my pistons instead of just replacing them for crummy stocko's, what do you guys think?? any suggestions on what type, i know their are high compression and forged, but thats about it..
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 24 September 2004 01:00
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Hmm - get forged, especially if you are stil planning to run a leaner than stock mixture. I'm no metallurgist, but from my fluid dynamics knowledge I'd say that forged pistons would be less likely to crack/deteriorate from rapid changes in temperature.
If you guys are willing to back the dyno places work then I'd say that the car would've gone in there with a latent piston issue. Metal can be a bit like that.
Just grab high-compression, forged steel pistons. As for what type of steel you should go for etc etc...I have no clue
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 24 September 2004 01:04
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Rob -> haha - anytime
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 27 September 2004 13:00
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CHRIST! we almost went to page 2!
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Canberra
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 27 September 2004 13:41
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tried to start the new motor today, nothing... then smoke started coming out of the starter motor... shit...
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Adelaide - Race Central
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June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 27 September 2004 14:32
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Hi everyone,
Some help with my car. Its a series 2 st162 with 3S-GE. There are 2 hoses with outer diameter of 'bout 6mm that run across the length of the firewall just below the factory strut. They lead to a little thingy that says something 'vacuum' something. errr....very crap description i know but does anyone know what this is......?? One end leads to this thingy and the other is open (leads to nothing, cut or otherwise)!!! Could this be why the engine light comes on at times with the code for vacuum sensor?? I'll try and get some pics if possible
Cheers
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 27 September 2004 14:38
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oh no - not page #2.
Well it could've been worse. I had had my car off the road for about 12 months, finally had the engine back together after one all-nighter - and it didn't fucken start...
After a bit of soul searching, it turned out my auto electrician had screwed up reattaching the drive for the dizzy to the shaft and it was firing 180 degrees out...I had done everything else perfectly!!! Got him to fix that up, put the dizzy back in and it revved to life first time
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 27 September 2004 14:55
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Ummm - good question Jonchai - I think I know what you are talking about, but I have no idea what it is
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 01:00
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I am just wondering how hard it is to install a rear sway bar on a st162 sx....
I heard the fuel tank has to be dropped or something??
Its arriving soon so i just wanted to see whats necessary!
Thanx
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Canberra
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 02:46
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jonchai, i believe you are referring to a vacuum sensor and both vacuum lines go to this doodad (circled in red) on the side of the intake manifold and yes both 6mm hoses go onto it where ive circled in blue. hope this helps
SR youll have to talk to wiso bout that one, he's the only person i know whos installed a rear swaybar.
cheers
steve
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 03:37
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pretty hard man, you don't need to drop the fueltank, what you need to do is.
after you unbolt the mountings for it, it still sits above the 2 fuel lines that go from the filler to the tank, and the tank straps. you'll need to tak these 2 rubber peices of fuel hose off (don't worry no fuel will come out as there is a oneway valve in the tank, just don't do this directly after filling up) you'll also need to support the tank on a jack or blocks of wood, and undo the tank straps, you may also need to take the back mounts off the muffler and let it hang down a little.
It is still a tight squeeze but this should give you enough room to "manouver" the swaybar out. takes alot of twisting and paitents.
HAHA this is the first time I have checked this thread in ages. A little update people My ST162 is now unregistered and pending its fate. My AW11 is soo damn good although with the celica sitting there it still looks soo damn sexy, I don't know what to do with it.
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 03:52
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Hey hey wiso, seeing as you hate the turbo so much, why not give me the engine - hehehe
Farmsci - what engine is that in the photo? Looks like 1st gen manifold + rocker covers on 2nd gen head maybe?
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 03:57
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Oh wait - that's your old engine right? Could you help me out a bit -> check here in fact all of you ST162 peeps see if you can sort this conundrum out
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Melbourne
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June 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 04:20
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peepz... ne one know the spark plug gap on the 1st gen?
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