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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 05:32
 
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Its 0.044 inch according to the haynes manual.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 07:34
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where can i find the numbers stamped on the head?
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 28 September 2004 14:24
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The only place I've seen it is *right* above the exhaust ports...in the gap between the ports and the rocker covers. Of course, the head may not even have the markings on it....
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Canberra
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 29 September 2004 02:47
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any of you guys got a spare working starter motor? mine burnt out trying to start the new motor.
cheers
steve
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 29 September 2004 03:59
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Steve, I have spare starters...
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 29 September 2004 08:34
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Ok Guys, my car is getting a rebuild with forged pistons and 10:1 compressed pistons, and balancing, gaskets and rings and stuff, bored, can't remember what else, how much would you roughly pay for all that..theres more but i can't remember
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Wed, 29 September 2004 13:45
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Hmmm - where you getting the pistons from, as that will probably be the big factor in the rebuild. Almost everything there you said could vary though, I mean are you going to replace cam-shaft and big-end bearings, main crank-shaft bearings as well I presume, then are you reco-ing the head as well? (lots of gaskets in there, ie valve stem seals).
I would say you are probably looking at $1500 at least even if you do the work yourself, if you do 'everything'.
Then there's the specialist work - crank balancing, conrod balancing etc -> that's an easy $300 ???
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Canberra
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 30 September 2004 03:35
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can someone tell me where the starter motor ground goes to.
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 30 September 2004 07:44
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Getting the pistons custom made from Piston Specialist in Melbourne, they'll be on a 9.8:1 compression, there was alot of things mentioned, but anyway end of story should cost me about 3500 all up with final dyno tuning and all. its not just pistons, theres like TRD gaskets, bored, balanced and other stuff, maybe pricey, but i guess i'm paying for what i get in the end...so my car should be something exciting once out...i'll let you know in a few weeks, or 1 months time.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 30 September 2004 10:55
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ok heres pic opf my new parcel shelf, all up cost 20 bux including 6mm mdf, can of psray paint and red/black felt
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 30 September 2004 14:03
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ST162_GTR - well if you want to rebuild a motor properly, you might as well spend shitloads on it 
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Adelaide - Race Central
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June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 30 September 2004 15:11
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Hey FWDboy,
this is coming from someone that accused me of spending tooo much for my motor!!! 
As a guide buddy, mine was a full rebuild for a 3SGE. costed >7K. Just as guide as to what you mite get charged if someone else is doing the work. (especially if your mechanic builds V8 supercar engines) If you have the time and the patience ( As in I didn't) its worth doing urself. but..............
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Melb, Victoria
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April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 30 September 2004 23:55
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nice shelf driftspec! where did u get the template for the "trd" logo? looks tidy 
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 01 October 2004 00:01
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the trd logo was just one of the net and upsized to suit my purposes, i also handmade a trd sticker using red/white 2inch wide pin stipe material
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 01 October 2004 01:39
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Jonchai -> 7K seems like a little much Did you get head work done as well, like port - polish - new valves/cams etc?
I remember the Pinto rally car engine cost 6K to build and that had ferra valves, custom steel forged conrods, balanced crankshaft, new camshaft, every seal and bearing was new, arp big end studs, arp head bolts, copper head gasket, reco'd twin 45 DCOH (?) Webers with modified aluminium Redline manifold etc etc...you get the point.
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 01 October 2004 08:20
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| FWDboy wrote on Fri, 01 October 2004 00:03 |
ST162_GTR - well if you want to rebuild a motor properly, you might as well spend shitloads on it
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My Exact thought FWDboy, i mean a engine isn't something to take lighly, at first i thought bit pricey, but then figured hopefully there will be a very exciting result at the end of it.
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Sydney / NSW
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March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 01 October 2004 13:04
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are you going to upgrade your gearbox to match all that power? or are you going to use the standard box.
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Adelaide - Race Central
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June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 01 October 2004 15:02
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Yeah buddy,
balanced cranks, new pistons, cams, and adjustable cam gears. Light port and polish of head with reset timing and higher compression. Also had a rebuilt gearbox aswell which would have been added to the cost.
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QLD, Gold Coast
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February 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 02 October 2004 06:46
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Ok i've had this question on my mind about compressions, anyway the st162 SX has a 9.2 compression ratio, and the ST has a 9.3, and i'm getting 9.8 compression, does that mean mines gonna be slower then a ST??? i would hope not, but a S2000 has a 11:1 compression ratio and is a powerful N/A 4 cyclinder..anyway help me with this question.
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Canberra
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 02 October 2004 07:14
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general rule of thumb, higher compression = higher power. of course there are tons of other variables to consider but you will never lose power from raising the compression ratio alone.
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QLD, Gold Coast
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 02 October 2004 07:28
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so how come the ST has a compression ratio of 9.3 and slow as it is??
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Canberra
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 02 October 2004 10:00
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the 3S-FE has a poverty head design, the F means it has economy cams which make bugger all power but make for more fuel efficient driving, the extra 0.1 compression i would say is just the result of a different shape piston, if it is intentional id guess its for slightly better torque production making it friendlier to drive than the 3S-GE.
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South Australia
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 03 October 2004 01:46
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haha @ pov head design
It makes bugger-all power because the head was designed for fuel efficiency - the cam drive mechanism is pretty limiting, it pretty much cuts the redline down 1000rpm from the GE head design - that's one of the reasons it makes bugger all power.
The pistons in an FE head are usually dish type pistons (from what I've seen) I dunno about the 3S-FE though. The combustion chamber is a totally different shape though (much flatter) so I'm guessing that they are dish type pistons too.
I'll add something though -> the only time you'll lose power from raising the compression on it's own is if you start getting pre-detonation.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 03 October 2004 06:07
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hahaha i was gonna say one way you can lose power from raising compression is if you raise it too much and embed a valve into a piston. ive got a picture of that in a book, some dude snapped a timing chain at 9000rpm you can see a quarter of the valve head poking out the top of the piston! looks awesome.
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 04 October 2004 11:23
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ok, so wat u guys think of my parcel shelf??
ne orders?? hehehehee
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 04 October 2004 11:58
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I definatly dig the parcel shelf dude, top work!
I was pulling apart my old block today looking for exactly what went wrong with it, good old piston number 4. heres a few photos for yas showing the extent of the damage done from one buggered bearing.
Across the bottom shows how the bearings and bearing cap SHOULD look, as you can see the piston 4 bearings are close to non-existant and the cap is really rough and it feels like chunks of the bearing itself fused to the cap. Then theres the sump oil pickup covered in metal shavings.
Heres the crankshaft the piston 4 part is so cruddy and worn out.
And finally the sump, full of metal shavings i pulled out heaps more than is in there, about half a handful!
just thought id share that with everyone
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Geelong.Vic.AU
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September 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 04 October 2004 12:00
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| drft spec - st167 wrote on Mon, 04 October 2004 21:23 |
ok, so wat u guys think of my parcel shelf??
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Might take the design off ya hands looks great
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 05 October 2004 02:11
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hey doobs, ring me today sometime, i be out i town since i am getting my hair styled, hairdressers drive 180's nowdays hehehehhee
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Gold Coast, QLD
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April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 05 October 2004 03:57
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Hey guys,
Can anyone confirm for me whether or not the engine mounts from an ST185 can be used in an ST162? Are they identical?
I'm 99% sure they could be (both being 3S blocks and all) but I'm only assuming here. An ST185 front cut is being parted out in Brisbane and since my engine mounts are buggered this might be a good chance for me to fix them.
Thanks,
Matt
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South Australia
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Tue, 05 October 2004 05:34
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I don't think so...you can definitely use the N-S ones, but I have never been able to figure out if the E-W ones are interchangeable...they are slightly different, but they may still be interchangeable.
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Adelaide - Race Central
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June 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 05 October 2004 05:41
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Hey buddy,
I did the Exact same thing to my 162. Blew piston 4, shreded the bearing, cracked the crank, and bent the exhaust cam. Must be a common problem!!!! what oil was it running when it happened, what was the milage on it?
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Gold Coast, QLD
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April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 05 October 2004 05:45
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| FWDboy wrote on Tue, 05 October 2004 15:34 |
I don't think so...you can definitely use the N-S ones, but I have never been able to figure out if the E-W ones are interchangeable...they are slightly different, but they may still be interchangeable.
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Yeah I didn't specify that did I.....I meant the N-S ones.
Not really an issue any more, someone else has enquired about them first.....bugger. Oh well, now I know for next time.
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Melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 05 October 2004 09:49
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For my birthday (yay for me) i received a Jaycar Rev limiter/gear shift indicator. Now, for me to hook it up it either needs a 'reluctor distributor' or for me to use'points, hall effect pickup etc'
Now, do the 162s have a reluctor distributor? Lookin in your direction Steve, or Rob or Wiso. I have no idea
Cheers guys
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Canberra
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August 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 05 October 2004 12:32
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jonchai, yeah i think lubrication to bearing number 4 is a big problem in the gen1 3s-ge's i reckon 90% of mechanical failures would come down to that. id love to know what it is that causes it, like oil pump failure, maybe the oil galleries in the crankshaft arent machined properly at the flywheel end. I think i might test that ill pump oil through the galleries and observe the flow from piston 1-4. The car apparently had a new engine imported from japan in it, have the recipt for it but i dunno how many K's were originally on the engine just that it had been driven for about 100,000 kms since it was fitted when it blew up.
stuc. I have no idea... tried a google search?
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South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 05 October 2004 13:15
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Last time I took one apart it looked like reluctor!
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Melbourne
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December 2003
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Gold Coast, QLD
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April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 07 October 2004 02:04
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I'll be very interested to see how they look once on the car, but they look pretty cool to me! Certainly different. I'm assuming they are going on a 4th gen? They'd look great on a white or red car for sure.
Do they have a centre cap of any sort?
Make sure you post pics once they're fitted!
-Matt
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sydney
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July 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 07 October 2004 02:53
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they would look very boy racer
very cool
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Castle Hill, Sydney
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January 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 07 October 2004 03:52
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yeh those rims look wicked! cant wait to see them on the car
woot this thread is almost to 1000 posts!
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 07 October 2004 03:53
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Castle Hill, Sydney
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January 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 07 October 2004 03:56
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since i started this thread i'll also post the 1000th post! 
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 07 October 2004 03:58
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w00t!
I waz gonna do it and then i thought.. well Scott should have the honour
those wheels look hot too StuC.. stick 'em on!
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Gold Coast, QLD
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April 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 07 October 2004 04:01
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Congratulations Scotty!
Now, on to 2000!
-Matt
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Perth
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October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Thu, 07 October 2004 16:54
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New member here! I bought an ST162 SX in August and have been loving the car.
The backstory... I moved to Perth from the Hills district in Sydney in August. Having owned an AE82 and always liking the Twin Cam models, I was looking forward to shopping for one in Perth with my $4,000 budget.
After following the papers and online sales sites for two weeks, I was left with pretty slim pickings. They seem a lot more common in Sydney. All of them had rust (or had it cut out) and any that didn't were upwards of $5,000. They're nice cars, but that's over priced, in my opinion. I almost bought a nice white '86 16v (recently painted, tinted, nice 15" low profile wheels), but it was blowing smoke and the guy wanted $4,200 for it. He offered it to me for $3,200 with stock rims, but the car wasn't in good enough nick to justify it.
I saw a few ST162 SX's going for good prices. Knowing nothing about the ST162 or the 3SGE, I did a bit of research and I was impressed with what I found. It was heavier, but a bit gutsier than an 86kw Corolla and looked a lot more respectable.
Price: $2,950
Manual '86 Celica SX, CD player and two Alpine 16x9's (plus four stock speakers), sports exhaust, recently re-gassed aircon, 9 month old radiator, imobiliser, 218000 kilometers, straight body good interior. Clutch and gearbox okay but don't like fast shifts, fair tires, good brakes,
Major flaws are faded duco, burns some oil (2 litres a month), and shot suspension (bottoms out on bumps and corners above 30kph).
Small things include leaking power steering fluid, loose driver door lock face (keeps falling off), a few liters of water in the jack compartment, vibration at 600rpm (idle at warm temp), and a real bark in the exhaust tone between 3000 and 4000 rpm.
I snapped the rear wiper when cleaning the rear window, I need a new drivers door lock face, and the suspension really needs work.
Other than that, the car runs well and trouble free. I haven't had it serviced yet, but I should give it one. The oil is pretty murky and it's a little slow to start in the morning.
Enough of the history, here's some photos:
I'm pretty unexperianced with cars, so I'd love a bit of help identifying a few things.
Under the hood is this:
It's the air filter right? Is it okay or ineffective?
The car has a 'sports exhaust' - but how do I find out what I actually have (extractors? size of pipe?)? Where do I look and what for?
Next, I'd like to have the clutch friction point a bit lower. On my AE82 it was a real simple cable to adjust - is it similar on the ST162? Where abouts is it?
Lastly is this:
The yellow plug isn't connected to anything. What is it? Is it bad?
I think I'll leave it there for now! Looking forward to becoming apart of the community here! Take it easy boys!
PS: The guy I bought the car from was selling it because he just bought an ST165 GT-4 - it looked totally mint.
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April 2004
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Thu, 07 October 2004 18:50
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welcome aboard mate! the wire hangin off in the last picture is from ur oxygen sensor.u need to plug it back in, if it still has the connection there.look for a plug that will fit the end of it, it should be around/ontop of the alternator.i think i can see it in the pic. once u plug this back in the car will have better fuel economy!
the airfilter is a pod/cone filter.it will filter ur air coming in so its all good it also makes the car sound nice in high revs  ! make a heat shield around it thou,keep the hot air out to make it more effective.
ur car doesn'y have extractor's .from that pic u can see its got a big muffler on it.that would make it really loud yeah?it's possible that the previous owner put a larger diameter exhuast on it thou.i guess u can measure it to confirm. the stock size for factory 3sge is 2".
Good luck with the car.
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Melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 08 October 2004 03:31
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Hey, welcome! Looks like a nice car considering the price! Does anybody's power-steering NOT leak?? 
If you're like me and can't be bothered to find out why the jack compartment fills with water, just pull out the little drain plug underneath the car and it won't collect there anymore  . Might be worth taking out the same on the other side too?
Wouldn't the ecu put up an error if the O2 sensor was disconnected? I thought the standard exhaust piping was 1.75"? I'm probably wrong. 
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 08 October 2004 03:37
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rofl.. nope.. if you have a toyota, your powersteering pump will leak. I just got over it and bought some fluid lol.. i only have had to top it up twice in 3 years though.. so not too bad.. mum's landcruiser's leaked, my brother's supra's leaks, my mates celica leaks too.. and mine!
water leaks in through your back lights => body seal.. just take the plug out of the bottom.. works like a charm.
and yeah, plug that O2 sensor back in!
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Perth
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October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Fri, 08 October 2004 05:55
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| Aust162 wrote on Fri, 08 October 2004 04:50 |
the wire hangin off in the last picture is from ur oxygen sensor. once u plug this back in the car will have better fuel economy!
the airfilter is a pod/cone filter.it will filter ur air coming in so its all good it also makes the car sound nice in high revs ! make a heat shield around it thou,keep the hot air out to make it more effective.
ur car doesn'y have extractor's .from that pic u can see its got a big muffler on it.that would make it really loud yeah?it's possible that the previous owner put a larger diameter exhuast on it thou.i guess u can measure it to confirm. the stock size for factory 3sge is 2".
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My fuel economy has seemed worse last week! I generally get 11k's per litre, but last week I only did 460k's on 47 litres - and that was with a lot of highway driving.
How would you go about making a heat shield? Is it particularly important? The weather is pretty cool here at the moment and my car has been running at 1/4-1/3rd of the gauge, but summer is coming...
I'll get under the car and look at the exhaust this afternoon. Regarding the pod/exhaust - yeah, the car is really loud. Louder than any sports exhaust I can remember hearing. I'm actually a bit worried about it as cop-bait. I don't want to get defected for it.
| smashed_wombat wrote on Fri, 08 October 2004 13:31 |
If you're like me and can't be bothered to find out why the jack compartment fills with water, just pull out the little drain plug underneath the car and it won't collect there anymore . Might be worth taking out the same on the other side too?
Wouldn't the ecu put up an error if the O2 sensor was disconnected?
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Thanks for the tip on the plug. I was ready to syphon it out 
The last few times I've done any highway driving, the ECU light has come on. Perhaps that's because of the O2 sensor? I can't think what else it could be.
| RobST162 wrote on Fri, 08 October 2004 13:37 |
and yeah, plug that O2 sensor back in!
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Do you think it was unplugged deliberately, or it just came lose?
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Fri, 08 October 2004 06:14
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The last few times I've done any highway driving, the ECU light has come on. Perhaps that's because of the O2 sensor? I can't think what else it could be.
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I get this too mate and my error code is igitiion/oxy sensor
I am sure my sensor is buggered... and yours.. well yours aint even getting a signal through.. lol
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Melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 09 October 2004 00:52
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If u dont want the boot to leak do what i did. Take off the back lights, clean up all of the selastic crap and re-seal them. Works a charm unless you hgave a gaping rust hole under the boot seal, I'd check that if i was you. AFAIK your pod filter just sittin there is also a defect so box it up dude!Shocks, well save up[ and get somethin decent. NO PEDDERS!get king springs and some KYBs.They're relatively cheap and well worth the dosh, asl;o get yourself a Whiteline rear sway bar. Trust me, you wont regret spending the money.
Welcome to the club
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October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sat, 09 October 2004 01:56
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| StuC wrote on Sat, 09 October 2004 10:52 |
If u dont want the boot to leak do what i did. Take off the back lights, clean up all of the selastic crap and re-seal them. Works a charm unless you hgave a gaping rust hole under the boot seal, I'd check that if i was you. AFAIK your pod filter just sittin there is also a defect so box it up dude!Shocks, well save up[ and get somethin decent. NO PEDDERS!get king springs and some KYBs.They're relatively cheap and well worth the dosh, asl;o get yourself a Whiteline rear sway bar. Trust me, you wont regret spending the money.
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Thanks for the advice man.
Here's my delema. I have three things I want to buy: an MP3 CD deck (~$250), a radar detector (WA here, btw) (~$500), and suspension.
They're all very different directions, and when I break it down, the suspension thing is a safety issue as well. So I think it's the most important.
How much am I up for? Should I try source the parts and do the work myself or should I take it to a suspension shop?
Is suspension dependant on car model? Could you guys recommend some part numbers and places to buy parts from? I am not in a rush, so I don't mind importing or waiting for something on the 2nd hand market.
From Whiteline, the BTR32 swaybar is $166.36. What should I be paying?
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Adelaide - Race Central
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June 2004
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Sat, 09 October 2004 03:28
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that price is about what you'd pay for a Whiteline, expect to pay for insatllation aswell unless u plan 2 do it urself. read earlier posts as to how to fit one if you plan 2 DIY!
Yeah I recommend King Springs (its what i've been using) except with Monroe shockers, up to u buddy, another option is King/Koni. ur probably looking at about $1100 - $1500 for someplace to fit this!!
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Location:
Gold Coast
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January 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Sun, 10 October 2004 15:12
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nah fuck off monroe's man i killed mine like before warrenty but to lazy to get them out so i'm goign KYB gas's (GR-2, like) very soon, and from very parts place all i hear is the shitness of monroe!
Nezza
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Location:
Melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 11 October 2004 04:26
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I just got delivery of my new Racing Hart Alloys - OH MY GOD!they're heaps better than i thought.
a)They're light as!
b)They have some OK tread on them whereas i thought it'd be frigged
c)They dont have dings n almost no paint is chipped!
d)No scratches!
Im loving it, but i cant put them on until tomorrow. i need to get some Lock-nuts just in case. Il get some pics and post them up tomorrow some time.
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November 2003
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 11 October 2004 06:52
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as im getting sick of riding around on my bump stops even though it looks mad as my 14's r inside the guards just, i am raising the front my my car cause back sits fine. i am not going back to stock but to king springs lo? nebody put these in and how good is the ride eg how often it hits the b.stops?
cheers
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Mon, 11 October 2004 09:49
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Before I spend any money on the car, I'm weighing up my options.
If I'm going to be serious about doing the suspension, then I want it to be part of a bigger scheme. I mean, $1,000 on suspension mods is 1/3rd of what I paid for it... New CD player, radar detector, and needed maintainence will put me at another $1,000.
Now I've spent $5,000 on a car that is still only 103kw. Exhaust, 2nd gen 3gse swap and engine mods are another $2,000 if I do the work myself. From there... 16" rims, clutch, low profile tires and brakes...
In a year I could have spent $10,000 on a car that is still FWD, has less than 100kw at wheels, and is almost 20 years old... If I were to sell it at that point, I'd be lucky to get $6,000 for it.
$10,000 is nearing Supra, MR2 and GT4 territory.
I love my ST162 and I'm excited about undertaking the project, but should I quit while I'm ahead?
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 12 October 2004 00:03
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Guys im about to buy a ST162, manual.
What are somethings which i should be mindful of? Rust? Any common engine prob? And how much am i expected to pay for a resonabily good one? Thanks guys
~Alliance
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 12 October 2004 04:41
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I've spent the night thinking it over. I really like ST162 and the 3SGE engine. With suspension mods, you guys say it handles great. Things like the CD player, rims and radar detector are transferable to my next car, which helps me justify the cost. If I add up my planned mods and the money I plan on spending, my ST162 will handle, look and go great without costing too much.
Here's what I'm planning, any advice you guys can give me would be really appreciated. If you think there is anything I need to add to my project, let me know.
Engine options
1.) Imported low kilometer Celica 184 Gen II 3SGE and gearbox
2.) Australian MR2 Mk2 Gen II 3SGE and gearbox
3.) Rebuild my Gen I. Performance pistons, rings, bored cylinders, new valves, seats, springs, cams, crank... If I was going to run my car on premium unleaded, could I get a Japanese stock ECU? Or do I need to go aftermarket to see any performance gains? Is the Gen I ECU easy to change? Piggyback?
Which of these options would be the best price/performance comprimise? Is all this work on my Gen I worthwhile compared to just swapping it for a Gen II?
LSD
Is LSD worthwhile? I know using an MR2 SW20 LSD gearbox in an ST162 is a lot hardrer than a non-LSD one. What other LSD parts are needed?
Full exhaust
My friend works at Windsor Exhaust in Sydney and can do the whole thing for cost. I was planning on doing the extractors back. I'm not a fan of the huge exhaust (too ricey), especially on an NA car. Should I keep it at stock diamater, or is it worth going up to 3"?
Suspension
Brushes and struts. Should I get it from Whiteline, or TRD or someone else? Is a front swaybar necessary?
Shocks and springs. I want to keep it at standard ride height. King springs aren't too expensive (I've been quoted $255 for front and back pairs), what shocks are good from a price/performance perspective? Koni and KYB are recommended fairly often. Any other makes worth considering?
Other mods
Hi flow cat
TRD Clutch? Other recommendations?
Cold air intake
Lightweight flywheel
Shortened shifter
Box for my air filter
GT-4 two spot brakes for front. Worthwhile for back?
Fix up
New front lip (mine isn't in great condition)
Fog lights
Brighter headlight globes
Replace rear-left mud flap
Driver's door lock face
Fix the antenna? Anyone done this?
Front seats
Replace stock 4" splits
Lastly, a new paint job.
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Location:
South Australia
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 12 October 2004 04:45
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buck_naked -> dude I'm in the same boat...my choice? I decided to get the hell out of there. My problem is that I want a car that is absolutely perfect, but in order to achieve this you pretty much have to take the whole thing apart and put it back together again, I mean - all 4000 or so pieces .
My choice is to grab a GT4 and then build up a classic RWD celica with a new school heart and ditch the ST162 cause it'll never be as good as I want it to be.
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
October 2004
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Re: ST162 dedicated thread
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Tue, 12 October 2004 04:54
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 thats a bit harsh on the 162! i want one still
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