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3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Tue, 09 March 2004 06:24
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Yep I have been told and assured that this conversion can be done for less than 4k! So can someone please explain how a company can make the following parts for less than this:
Engine mounts
Turbo manifold
Inlet manifold
Bellhousing
Clutch
Exhaust
All the other bits I cant be bothered listing
And then upgrade the fuel system and also do the engineering?
How can any company do this complete conversion for less than $4000??? Can someone please explain this to me 
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Tue, 09 March 2004 06:32
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Tue, 09 March 2004 06:35
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My money is on "you supply the engine, gearbox, loom, ecu"
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Tue, 09 March 2004 06:42
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i reckon it would go close...
depends on the quality of the job and the materials used really.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Tue, 09 March 2004 08:30
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im sold!
which wonderful magical place do i take my car to?
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Tue, 09 March 2004 09:04
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| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 09 March 2004 17:38 |
Even if you supplied those items there is no possible way you could ever do those things I listed for less than 4k!
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sure it would.
engine, gearbox and loom would work out to about 3k.
labour would be around 4k i reckon. it's about that much to put a rotor into a celica...
so yeah - 7k conversion all up sounds about right.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Tue, 09 March 2004 09:20
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I'm guessing you also know a work shop that can do this? If so, give us all the name of the place.
Now I have never put a rotor into a TA22, but I would be betting that its an easier conversion than the 3S-GTE!
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Wed, 10 March 2004 11:51
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If anyone is interested in the details of the workshop that can do this conversion for less than 4k, you can contact a person at the following address who will supply you with the details: cduceu@hotmail.com
If you ever has the unfortunate chance to meet this person, I would recommend not to shake his hand if you know what I mean 
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Wed, 10 March 2004 11:59
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Wed, 10 March 2004 13:36
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i know who it is...
... it's the same people who do Dell technical support.
i think they're in india or malaysia (somewhere in asia anyway) and they pay their staff less than a tenth of our pay rates - that's how they can do it so cheap...
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Wed, 10 March 2004 13:43
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Oh, Ok that clears that up. So on top of the $4000 you have to ship your car over seas?
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Wed, 10 March 2004 13:44
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And back again?
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Wed, 10 March 2004 13:58
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nah ... they never actually do anything .. they just send some local techhead to turn up un-announced, who replaces a few parts still under warranty then make you sign over your children when you think you're signing the order form for the actual engine
seriously, you'd have to be using 100% used parts to get it this cheap (e.g. off the wreckers' rack, not a F/cut) but that doesn't address the fabrication costs.
jeez.. tafe students?... buch of drug dealers trying to launder cash - tho why not the casino? ...stolen parts? ...a pump-n-dump scam (generate PR, keep the deposits, rent the workshop on week-to-week then bolt when you collect $20k)?
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Wed, 10 March 2004 14:03
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Umm, yeah I have to agree
PS: What are you smokin?
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Wed, 10 March 2004 22:58
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I had a 3sgte put in my Sprinter and unless your name is David Copperfield (spelling) there is no way in the world you can get it done for $4000 let alone under.
Who ever gave this quote is a tool!
Everyone knows the cheapest way to do a conversion is if you do most of the work your self, You buy second hand parts, and have bucket loads of patience when buying parts.
Otherwise you pay a mechanic, buy parts at top $ cause you lose patience, and hidden costs like engine rebuild, turbo rebuid etc. ( my senario)
The conversion was well over $10000, not including engine and turbo rebuild.
I paid $4000 just for the Computer, Custom plenum and manifold, fuel set up. What about the other 1 000 001 things that need doing.
I thought I would be realistic and think it would cost me $8000 to $10000. Boy was I wrong.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Thu, 11 March 2004 00:25
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I agree with you 100%. There is just to many parts that need to be custom made to make this conversion happen. And you would struggle just to make those parts for less than 4k.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Thu, 11 March 2004 06:01
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you sure he isnt confused with the 3t-gte? and if he is that kinda gives you a hint he has no idea what he's doing.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Thu, 11 March 2004 06:36
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If any part of a conversion for $4000 is true, I would think that the person is confused with a 3T-GTE. So yep I would have to agree.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 02:28
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As one of the few people to have done this conversion and end up with a running car it really depnds on what you start with. If the 4K is supposed to cover all parts then clearly he is dreaming.
If that's just the labour and fabrication cost then that's about what i would charge 
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 02:59
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Really? So if i take to you a TA22, a 3S-GTE, loom and ECU. You will fit the engine legally, make it run, get an engineers cert, a road worthy and have it all ready for me to drive away for less than $4000? If so you have a deal.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 03:11
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Err not even close mate. That's about a tenth of the parts you'll have to provide me with for starters. No one said anything about paying for certificate etc either. You can get your own roadworthy, I suppose you'll want me to hold your dick while you piss as well??
Labour and fabrication....about 4K is what i would do it for. All up my 22 proj set me back around 16K and that car never saw a shop, just me and mates. So, you rock up with 16K and then maybe we'll talk.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 03:51
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changing your tune now If you read above its a drive in drive out affair.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 03:54
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I'm not changing anything, it appears it's you who has problems reading. Read real slow now....labour and fabrication
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 06:19
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from what i see from labor and fabrications for 4k (plus 3k give or take for engine etc) i would have a celica with an engine in the engine bay everything connected apart from wiring plus the cost of the metal used for fabrications?
correct?
daniel
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 06:35
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Pretty much, i still think the wiring could be done too. Took me bugger all to wire up a Wolf 3D...maybe 1/2 a day and then a few hours here and there tidying things up.
It all depends how nice a conversion you want i guess. Like i said mine was in the order of $16K and you wouldn't get anything i would consider worthwhile for less than that.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 06:43
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| JustenGT4 wrote on Fri, 12 March 2004 16:35 |
Pretty much, i still think the wiring could be done too. Took me bugger all to wire up a Wolf 3D...maybe 1/2 a day and then a few hours here and there tidying things up.
It all depends how nice a conversion you want i guess. Like i said mine was in the order of $16K and you wouldn't get anything i would consider worthwhile for less than that.
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And since when is a Wolf 3D street legal?
Lets brake a few things down that would need to be done by a workshop.
A custom inlet manifold. Say $600 if your lucky
Turbo manifold. $1000
Engine mounts $400
Bellhousing $400 if you want one to do a good job
Clutch $300
Brakes $400 if you damm good.
Engineering $600
This takes the total to $3700 already. Now add in water lines, a sump and god knows what else a work shop can find to charge you for and the total is not going to be anywhere near $4000.
Oh and JustenGT4, your not the only one who has done this conversion.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 06:58
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No i'm not the only one but where's yours???? and since when isn't a Wolf 3D street legal? Any ECU can be used in the ACT/Perth/NT/QLD and even Vic and NSW have ways to get around using the factory ECU, particularly for a car the age of the 22. You need to get away from your keyboard more often.
and whose arse are you pulling those figures out of?...not mine and it's me doing the work. Those figures are a crock and there aren't even any mods required for the bellhousing, a stock 1S housing will give you 5mm of spigot bearing support which is plenty.
I've done it mate and i know what it cost me. If you can't get those prices hardly my problem. 4K is ballpark (and my original post said "about") what i would charge and all your theorising ain't gonna change that.
I done arguing with someone who hasn't even got as modded ride and is trying to tell me what i can and can't manage.
If you think that's cheap you are gonna cry in your momma's arms when you find out how much my twin turbo 1UZ ride cost me to put together, and this proj has all the primo gear.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 07:53
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Yeah sure thing tool man. I just wish everyone else could live in your dream land where work shops dont have to charge for their labour.
Stupid.
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Re: 3S-GTE conversion in a TA22 for $4000
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Fri, 12 March 2004 07:56
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Also, the only aftermarket ECU that is street legal anywhere in Australia is the Motec. No other! So why dont you get away from your keyboard and stop feeding bullshit to people that use these forums for valuable information.
I hope a moderator sees your last post there and removes it, cause its crap.
Oh, and MY TA22 with MY Gen 3 3S-GTE is at the engineers getting some certs written up for it.
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