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What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 01:40
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Now that I have the 1GGTE wired and running (thanks Sixworks - fantastic job) i'm looking at boosting it. What boost controllers have people found valve for money and what ones to stay clear of. Anyone know anything about the Celicamad controller?
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 01:48
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A bleed valve works for me. Cheap too. 
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Central Coast, NSW
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 01:52
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I'm using the celicamad controller... love it!
Dan
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I supported Toymods
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 02:11
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I've got the celicamad one too - not installed yet, but I've heard nothing but good news about it
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May 2002
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 03:55
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My turbosmart bleed valve spikes badly.
I have heard good reports about Blitz DSBC. I think eventually i'll get one of these, see them second hand for under $500 from time to time.
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 05:29
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hey good topic here ive got an ig-gte as well and was thinking of boosting it
what sorta boost is recomended for daily driving ?
oh btw im going to use a turbosmart one to do the job dun know if it will spike or not
thanks
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 05:43
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Mine spikes at 24 psi or so then settles down to 20
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south east - melbourne
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March 2004
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 06:24
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oooooooooohhhhhhhhh mate i not that ken to get it that high im just letting her off mayb at 11 psi
also0 dunt u get boost and fuecut after 11 psi in the 1g-gte engines
if u did how didu over come it
also mate what turbos are urs ct12 ones
and are they ceramic or what ?????????
always confused the shit out of me  
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Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 08:38
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HKS EVC III here. No spiking, great control over boost levels.
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 09:33
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Sorry I didn't mean I was running 20 psi on a 1G, I was just discussing boost controllers
It's the 3t-gte running 20psi + .
11 psi you should have no problems with a mechanical bleed valve.
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NSW.south coast.Drifting
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February 2004
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 12:28
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Apexi AVC-R --->ahhhh technology these days....
absolutely wicked, but expensive.
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newcastle
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June 2002
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Wed, 10 March 2004 22:09
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If all your looking for is accurate boost .i have micro controller now . IT elinimates all spikes .and gives accurate boost . Norbie is right a good bleed will give accurate stable boost .
The Micro Controller can be run in Cabin (but this gives a small spike..around 2 psi) cost is $169 incl postage
The main advantage of my existing system (fullsystem)is the wastgate controll valve . Its a custom manufactured pressure relief valve that is VERY accurate with a range of 0-2 Bar(about 30 psi).
holding the wastegate DEAD shut until say 10 psi brings boost on twice as fast as normal
The thing that makes this valve beter than Norgren..as used in audi boost system ....zoom)
its more acccurate .a fine thread adjustment that allows 0.5 of a psi varitaions in boost
Is it doesnt melt(a few people have melted the plastic internals )
and as it is gas filled. SO it is less effected by heat (if at all)
the problem i had with cheaper valves was as they got hot the accuracy was badly effected . so boost varied up to 3 psi either way
the reason my controller brings boost on faster is it NEVER leaks it was originally designed to handle pressure of between 45 and 300 psi
EVERY electronic boost controller that has a wastgate delay function .uses a progressive opening valve .so all you do is slow wastegate creep .not stop it .
So boost comes on faster but not EVEN close to how fast my wastegate controll can .
I had a pneumatic engineering firm test and custom modify these valves to work that way
as soon as someone invents an electro-pmeumatic pressure relief valve (0-2 bar) that works .ill convert my own boost sytem to electronic .But for me MAXIMUM performance out ranks in cabin gadgets
im not bagging electronic but they can be improved on .simply by adding the wastegate contoll inline on a mates HKS electronic boost was MUCH stronger in 2nd and 3rd gear .
2nd gear went from hard chirp to about 2 secs of wheelspin .
a turbo shop in newcastle adds them to turbosmart e boost system
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Thu, 11 March 2004 04:24
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why would you need to add them to the e-boost?? they have a function that when set up correctly holds the wastegate totally shut till it reachecs a pre set boost level then it will open the gate and hold the boost setting you desire, no other EBC has this function, its unique to turbo smart and it works a treat, it brings boost on 1500rpm quicker in my car and 1000rpm quicker in a starlet with a gt25 on it.
90% of people dont set them up correctly and cannot take advantage of the function.
Dale
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Brissy
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Thu, 11 March 2004 21:30
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i love my eboost, woudlnt use anything else, i have fitted a heap of them to customers cars and they all work a treat, even on internal gates,
best value for money boost controller on the market, at $749 they are heaps cheaper than the Jap controllers
Dale
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Fri, 12 March 2004 04:08
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i beg to differ.The e boost system is PROGRESSIVE opening which means if you are attempting to hold the valve dead shut until say 15 psi its partially open at much lower boost than that.in fact with it set at 15 psi its aready opening at just over 9 psi . It wont just snap open .It cant its not designed that way
The e boost WILL however bring boost on much faster than stock
(YES!! TESTED ON A BENCH BY A PNEUMATICS ENGINEER).
in practise and on the dyno MAX boost was achieved 400 rpm sooner by adding my valve to the e boost (at ANY setting)
on a 1/4 mile run it earnt the owner 2 tenths
considering he has spent thousands for a 1/2 second gain he was very happy with 2 tenths for $159
we tested the e boost because if they had produced a valve that worked well we would have purchased the valves form turbosmart and used them in our own electronic system .we cant get a good enough result from an electronic so we dont produce them
also if you check with turbosmart im sure they wont recommend having the valve mounted VERY close to the compressor housing due to heat .
The closer you mount a pressure relief valve to the compressor housing the faster boost comes on
i have mounted my valve DIRECTLY to the compressor housing on a car before .with ZERO heat probs
Having said that i think e boost IS a GREAT system but not worth the $$ for the average enthusiast .
if you MUST go electronic at least buy the e boost
if you want the same or most likely better result for less than 1/2 price buy mine
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Fri, 12 March 2004 04:20
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yes it is progressive when it is not set correctly, if you set all the functions CORRECTLY it will not allow any pressure to the wastegate until it reaches the boost setting you put in, and yes this does work as i have tested it on my own car, there are no instructions on how to hook these up to a external gate properly so if you hook them up the internal gate way you will not get the features of holding the gate shut, there is a trick to hooking it up and it took me weeks to work it out.
when you hook it all up correctly with a internal gate the soloniod does not pluse until the preset Gate pressre is reached, when the soloniod is not plusing the line from the boost source is totaly cut off from the line to the wastegate, when the set pressure is reached it opens, trust me this works perfectly when set correctly,
with a external gate it pumps boost into the top of the gate and holds the valve shut until you reach the preset boost level, then it releases the pressure on the top so the gate can open, to hold boost correct it pluses the soloniod to pump boost into the top of the gate to open and close the valve,
Dale
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Fri, 12 March 2004 21:12
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Not wanting to push the issue
i guess now its a point of interest for myself.
But HOW do you know that the valve is not leaking prior to opening .have you actually tested it ?
i understand that that is how turbosmart believe the valve operates but under testing we have found different .
The most simple test was to add my valve Before the e boost in line .
the guy setting up the e boost is a turbosmart dealer.and we fitted it to an internal wastegate turbo
all i can say is boost was noticeably faster
Also Did you find that on an external gate setup that boost comes on very much faster holding the gate shut ????
im not knocking the turbosmart
im just saying that it is possible to bring the boost on EVEN faster .depending on the engine this can give pretty decent gains
if your coming to the Nationals or want to try a valve im happy to work something out
P.S if you would like to email direct my email is celicamad@kooee.com.au
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Sat, 13 March 2004 11:00
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its pretty easy to tell on a 13b turbo with the wastegate dumped through the floor when it is opening, with the testing i have done that is how i have found them working the way i have said.
it brang the boost on 1000rpm quicker on my car, without it i could get 10psi at 5000rpm with it i can get 10psi at 4000rpm, and 20psi by 4500rpm,
i might try one of your valves on a customers car that has a GT25 with a internal gate and e-boost,
ill shoot you a email on monday and sort something out, im more than happy to test this on the dyno back to back with and without, if your in sydney i would like you to come along and set it up.
Dale
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Sat, 13 March 2004 12:37
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Dale,
Is the Eboost the one that has all the controls inside the main display? Something like 2 5/8 inch diameter?
I looked into this and was undecided between the Eboost and Blitz DSBC. What do you think of the EBoost compared with the Blitz DSBC?
Thanks,
Simon
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November 2002
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Sat, 13 March 2004 12:40
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Celicamd,
Have you got any pics of your boost ocntroller setup? Is it completely mechanical?
I have a turbosmart bleed valve now and not too impressed with it since upgrading from a CT20 to a GT25 Garrett, seems to spike especially in first gear.
Was fine on the Ct20
Simon
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Sat, 13 March 2004 14:08
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info and pics on the boost controller can be found by clicking on the link under celicamad sig....
I use one of the cotrollers and i must say this thing is freakishly precise i can ajust down to 0.01 of a bar (reading boost off my apexi SAFC conected to the map sensor) on my car...the boost will hit exactly what you want it to EVERY TIME>>>spool up sooo much faster man my 1jz-gte is extreemly responsive now...
these are the best!!! you wont spend 315 better on your car anywhere
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May 2002
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Sun, 14 March 2004 02:46
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I take the actuator line off, lol. On a serious not i use a normal stlye gas regulator wired in to my aftermarket ecu. Never had it spike.
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Sun, 14 March 2004 23:06
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| TA22 GT wrote on Sat, 13 March 2004 23:37 |
Dale,
Is the Eboost the one that has all the controls inside the main display? Something like 2 5/8 inch diameter?
I looked into this and was undecided between the Eboost and Blitz DSBC. What do you think of the EBoost compared with the Blitz DSBC?
Thanks,
Simon
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yep thats the one, i have played with a few blitz units, they work ok but are a bit tricky to setup and do some funny things when not setup correctly and wont hold a boost level at all,
i like the e-boost as they are simple to mount, simple to setup and easy to use.
dale
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Mon, 15 March 2004 11:26
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TA22GT
all details are on the link Below yes my system is mechanical .NO it doesnt spike unless you want it to (this can be set).
the turbosmart mechanical is famous for spiking.But then again they are pretty cheap i think about $120 yougetsawhatyapaysafora 
im sure youll be VERY happy with my controller 90% of the units i replace are turbosmart mechanical
http://home.kooee.com.au/celicamad/celicamad%20boo st%20control.htm
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Mon, 15 March 2004 11:40
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dale
on an external i doubt that my valve would improve much over the turbosmart as it doesnt take much to remove creep on a decent external .
on the gt25 im sure youll notice a difference provided your running at least 12 psi or more . as they dont seem to creep much under this
Happy to come to sydney and let you try one.a few turbo shops want to try my valve so i can include you in my run
Fattony
if you are running an external wastegate then the reg is fine.
if your running internal wastegate and your getting higher boost in higher gears then its usually the reg .
a simple bleed would be much better .as a bleed will still delay the passage of air to the wastgeate actuator. therfore bringing boost on MUCH faster than ANY reg can .
you can make one yourself for about $80 (autospeed.com.au) but they are bulky or buy mine VERY small and SUPER accurate for $169 incl postage
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November 2002
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Mon, 15 March 2004 12:53
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Celicamad,
Thats for the info. Your unit does sound very good, I'm just trying to come to terms with a mechanical system that could be so accurate as I haven't heard of one so far.
I'm choosing between yours and the Eboost. All I want is something that controls boost "VERY" accurately, I don't care about all the flashing lights and electrical crap that come with some models.
Do you have a pic of one installed or against a ruler or something so I can see how big your unit is?
Thanks,
Simon
http://users.chariot.net.au/~stmezz/celica.htm
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2003
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Mon, 15 March 2004 13:03
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Yeah i'm thinking i might get one of these bad boys!
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Mon, 15 March 2004 13:45
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dont think get it and if your not happy.... you've done something wrong 
"I'm just trying to come to terms with a mechanical system that could be so accurate as I haven't heard of one so far.
I'm choosing between yours and the Eboost. All I want is something that controls boost "VERY" accurately, I don't care about all the flashing lights and electrical crap that come with some models"
this kinda sums it up though its much better than the flashy lights one...
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Mon, 15 March 2004 14:18
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Celicamad,
Looks like I'll be giving one of your controllers a go on my 3T GTE.
Can you PM me with your contact details etc so I can place an order.
Cheers,
Simon
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Mon, 15 March 2004 23:05
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celicamad,
we are having a small dyno day on the 3rd, if you could make it down then we can put it on this car with the gt25 for everyone to see, it runs 20psi so it is well up there in the boost department,
dale
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Tue, 16 March 2004 09:42
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dale
sorry a weekend is impossible for me as many guys arnt open and i work Saturdays
i definatley will come to Sydney but it will be a week day and after the Nationals 9-11 april
one way to prove if the e boost is doing its job is to simply clamp the actuator line close to the compressor housing .obviously dont let it boost past 20 psi . but if boost comes on faster then the e boost can be improved on
at 20 psi my relief valve gave 0.034 psi after the valve
and the valve opening time is 0.026 secs(this is the crucial point)
as far as comparing the two controller back to back . we are having a Toyota Nationals dyno day in Newcastle in about two months .The dyno shop sells both e boost and my controllers
and is happy to run a comparison .
im always happy to do try before you buy with my controllers provided you come to me
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Tue, 16 March 2004 11:13
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i might have a spare one down here soon
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Tue, 16 March 2004 20:41
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Well arguments aside, I fitted the Celicamad controller and I am VERY happy with the result. I reckon it's the best value for money boost controller around and a friend who owns a performance shop was so impressed he's going to start stocking them.
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Tue, 16 March 2004 23:32
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| celicamad wrote on Tue, 16 March 2004 20:42 |
dale
sorry a weekend is impossible for me as many guys arnt open and i work Saturdays
i definatley will come to Sydney but it will be a week day and after the Nationals 9-11 april
one way to prove if the e boost is doing its job is to simply clamp the actuator line close to the compressor housing .obviously dont let it boost past 20 psi . but if boost comes on faster then the e boost can be improved on
at 20 psi my relief valve gave 0.034 psi after the valve
and the valve opening time is 0.026 secs(this is the crucial point)
as far as comparing the two controller back to back . we are having a Toyota Nationals dyno day in Newcastle in about two months .The dyno shop sells both e boost and my controllers
and is happy to run a comparison .
im always happy to do try before you buy with my controllers provided you come to me
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we will organise sometime to test it,
i would rather test it on our dyno as i have 30 runs on it from this car and will know exactly what it is doing, so any change will be easy to pick up,
ill organise to get one off you and ill put it on the car at the dyno day and will do it infront of 20 people so everyone can see the results,
ill shoot you a email about getting the valve off you,
also i have used heaps of the NEW turbosmart bleed valves and they dont tend to spike at all, used on a external gate and it held 18psi perfecly, not moving more than .2 psi
Dale
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Wed, 17 March 2004 09:00
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Dale
wouldnt you consider 2 psi variation a little too much??.
particularly on a factory setup eg 1jz where you want to run as close to max boost as possible without losing any boost .
2psi makes for a reasonable power loss .
if a conntroller goes to 14 psi then holds 12 qouldnt you consider that a spike
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Wed, 17 March 2004 13:10
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Celicamad i think he ment 0.2 psi. doesn't matter though...
I'm sure the valve will impress
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Wed, 17 March 2004 21:12
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yep its .2 psi,
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Thu, 18 March 2004 07:55
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Well
I went for the full one, Biggest gas reg I could find.
Range of 0 to 300 psi, it cost $40 and it works fine.
Mind you,
it's with an external gate.
hehe.
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Thu, 18 March 2004 08:13
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ahhh i get it now .
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Sun, 21 March 2004 11:43
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a few people have emailed me regarding buying boost controller at the nats at dubbo .
i ordered 10 to take to dubbo and have sold all but three
sorry but if you want one for the nats email me asap otherwise 3-4 weeks
sorry but the drag racing at the nats caused a last minute rush on orders
i will have a demo model at Dubbo for those that want to try before they buy
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March 2004
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Sun, 21 March 2004 22:59
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Well I'll throw a spanner in the works and reccomend a Profec B....talk about easy to set up and to this day I haven't seen a spike....easy in cabin adjust to switch between Lo and Hi settings...I run 14psi on the lo all day every day & 18psi on hi when I wanna. Had it in my car for about a year now with NO issues what so ever. Quite similar to a Blitz dsbc however the profec has a dial to adjust how fast you want the boost to come on...I don't think the Blitz has that but they have up to 4 boost setting.
Cheers
KiwiMR2
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Re: What Boost Controllers are People Using?
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Sun, 21 March 2004 23:29
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we setup a profec B on a VL turbo yesterday, they are a nice piece of gear, very similer to the e-boost in the way they work, a little more tircky to setup but once we got the hang of it it was very nice unit!
dale
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