Toymods Car Club
www.toymods.org.au
F.A.Q. F.A.Q.    Register Register    Login Login    Home Home
Members Members    Search Search
Toymods » Tech & Conversions » Red coolant? Yes or no?

Show: Today's Posts  :: Show Polls 
Email to friend 
Switch to threaded view of this topic Create a new topic Submit Reply
AuthorTopic
clubagreenie
Forums Junkie


Location:
1st street on the right
Registered:
November 2002
 
Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 10:39 Go to next message
I know everyone raves about toyota red coolant. Said to protect the head/block better than green because of the alloys that are used. "Red" colored coolant is now available from other manufacturers, and listed on the label as specd for certain makes/models. It also says that it shouldn't be used with copper alloy radiators, only aluminium.

Now I have a 5MGE, one of the models specd to require the red. But It's in a MS55, using a copper radiator. AND through another site (admitadley american) it said the only difference is the red is longer life (50,000 k's vs 100,000 k's)

Can anyone help as I'm waiting on my new rad.
  Send a private message to this user    
ed_ma61
Forums Junkie


Location:
Lost in the K hole
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GO TOYOTA RED

its not just the life of the product, its the corrosion inhibitor properties. so much so that i believe either the big H or F actually used it for some LONG period of time in their factory service schedule. ive read plenty of other internal toyota tech docs in the past, also outlining the merits of the red coolant in engine maintenance... cant remember the details now thou Sad

unfortunately they dont make the small concetrate bottle anymore, instead you hvae to buy the 4L premixed coolant stuff... but im assured it has the same properties as the original red.

$32 from toyota penrith for 4L

  Send a private message to this user    
ae86drift
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods

Location:
sydney.au
Registered:
August 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i use cheap green and change it with the oil ever 5000kms
  Send a private message to this user    
clubagreenie
Forums Junkie


Location:
1st street on the right
Registered:
November 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ED - Would the aftermarket red premix be ok?
  Send a private message to this user    
ed_ma61
Forums Junkie


Location:
Lost in the K hole
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 11:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i have no idea about that stuff, sorry

  Send a private message to this user    
rob_RA40
Forums Junkie


Location:
c'town, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 11:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ae86drift wrote on Tue, 16 March 2004 22:01

i use cheap green and change it with the oil ever 5000kms


not having a dig but i dont understand how changing the green stuff more often inhibits corosion any better than using toyota red stuff for 10-50,000kms?

sorta like saying a metal boat isnt going to rust cause it floats in different seawater every day.

food for thought

[Updated on: Tue, 16 March 2004 11:13]

  Send a private message to this user    
Jonny2TG
Forums Junkie


Location:
Tasmania
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I work at a Toyota dealership. Few of us know the truth about what works and does not, but this is our practice:

New Toyota cars have genuine red coolant. Cars serviced within the warrantee period (3 years), get the new genuine red coolant again. We get it in bottles and drums, and mix 50/50 with water. Most cars are listed to get new coolant every 2 years or 40,000km. I think sometimes they have long life coolant which is first changed at 100,000km?

The newest cars (Camrys made within the last few months), have pink coolant which is "Super Long life" coolant, and I think they are listed to get it first changed at 150,000km? I could be wrong.

Do not mix red coolant with green. Flush the system out good before using red, or the 2 will combine and cause massive corossion, I am told.

When we service cars beyond the warrantee period, we use recycled coolant. The coolant is used Toyota red coolant that has been filtered and had a Wynns treatment added. We recyle it ourself in the workshop.

I need to know more about not useing red coolant with a copper radiator? Never heard of that. I think we still use red stuff on old cars at work.
  Send a private message to this user    
ae86drift
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods

Location:
sydney.au
Registered:
August 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rob_RA40 wrote on Tue, 16 March 2004 22:12

ae86drift wrote on Tue, 16 March 2004 22:01

i use cheap green and change it with the oil ever 5000kms


not having a dig but i dont understand how changing the green stuff more often inhibits corosion any better than using toyota red stuff for 10-50,000kms?

sorta like saying a metal boat isnt going to rust cause it floats in different seawater every day.

food for thought


yeh i know

cant afford red all the time
  Send a private message to this user    
thechuckster
Forums Junkie


Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
February 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
last time i was at an autobahn, there was something (brand name eludes me) that had a green & red version of coolant - notes on the back said the green was for copper rad's for older engines, and the red for alloy rads with alloy heads.

my guess is that each better suits the particular rad core.

ask people100, he works in a rad shop at Rocklea.

[Updated on: Tue, 16 March 2004 13:00]

  Send a private message to this user    
Norbie
Forums Junkie


Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I have seen several 10-15yo import engines, mine included, that still had the Toyota red coolant in them. In all cases the water pump, coolant passages and radiator were absolutely pristine, looked like new despite the age of the engine and km's travelled. If you want to look after your engine and coolant system, don't use anything less than Toyota red.

Can't afford it? Bah! Coolant is a lot cheaper than a new water pump or radiator!
  Send a private message to this user    
THE WITZL
Forums Junkie


Toymods Social Secretary

Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Guess who is flushing out their little rolla next pay check.

While we are this topic of coolant and not mixing the green and red..... what is the best way to flush your cooling system good and proper?

I am aware of radiator flush additives, but after usuing that should i constantly run water through the cooling system while the engine is running? I really dont know! Its something i've never really had to encounter before.
  Send a private message to this user    
Norbie
Forums Junkie


Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 16 March 2004 23:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Last time I did it I used a hose to flush out the radiator, engine and heater core as much as possible. The I filled up the system with plain water and drove around for a while until the engine was completely warmed up. Then I drained it, hosed it out again, and filled with red coolant. This method should get rid of practically all residual green coolant before you fill up with the good stuff. Smile
  Send a private message to this user    
gianttomato
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods

Location:
I renounced punctuation
Registered:
May 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Often towards the back of the block there is a small drain tap. Undo this and usually coolant hoses out. If it doesn't, then it is blocked with 20+ years of rust sludge - a small screwdriver poked into the hole will clear this easily. Then fill with water and flush 3 or 4 times. By this stage the water is clear and rust free. This is also a good time to get the radiator flushed and pressure tested.
  Send a private message to this user    
THE WITZL
Forums Junkie


Toymods Social Secretary

Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 00:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GT - that equals cost. This is just my corolla we are talking about! No need to go and spend money so frivolously! Razz

I like Norbie's method better, it doesnt involve trying to wedge my hands behind a 4A-GE in an AE71 Smile
  Send a private message to this user    
ZZT231
Forums Junkie


I Supported Toymods

Location:
melbourne.vic.au
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey All, I agree with Ed, GO RED...

I have a 24 Litre can of new Toyota Red Coolant Fluid for when I rebuild my engine [5M-E]. A few months ago I bought a 4 Litre and a 1 Litre for spares to carry in the car. Surprised

Cheers.
  Send a private message to this user    
Classique71
Forums Junkie


Location:
Colac, Victoria
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
My new motor will use nothing but red ..

I no longer trust the green shit ..
  Send a private message to this user    
SupraPete
Forums Junkie


Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
   
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 01:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toyota RED definately YES.


But I'll also echo: Do a GOOD flush if your changing. Run it through with only water a few times (at least 3).

With a 1UZ its bloody hard as both hoses are at the top of the engine. Its pretty much a case of half-life as you can only get out half of the coolant each drain.


And Ed, watch your syntax, the 4L toyota red containers still need mixing 50/50 with water. So they're not pre-mixed. They're just not concentrated.
  Send a private message to this user    
c2888
Regular


Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
May 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 04:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Some nice pictures of what happens when things go wrong.

http://www.are.com.au/Hor/horror_pictures.htm

This site is excellent for it's tech section.

dodgydan
  Send a private message to this user    
clubagreenie
Forums Junkie


Location:
1st street on the right
Registered:
November 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 05:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Makes an interesting read. Perhaps 7M BHG's are caused by some of this. Ed care to be a crash test dummy on this?
  Send a private message to this user    
ed_ma61
Forums Junkie


Location:
Lost in the K hole
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 09:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HKSPete wrote on Wed, 17 March 2004 12:46

Toyota RED definately YES.

And Ed, watch your syntax, the 4L toyota red containers still need mixing 50/50 with water. So they're not pre-mixed. They're just not concentrated.


really? Laughing

ive got about 6L of pure coolant, straight from the bottle swimming around in the engine atm!! *damn instructions*


  Send a private message to this user    
justcallmefrank
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods

Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Haha, yep Smile I was gonna say that didn't sound right, but mine wasn't here to check Razz
  Send a private message to this user    
HighRolla
Forums Junkie


Location:
Sydney
Registered:
January 2004
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
share some round Ed - don't be greedy Laughing . A good green coolant can't be much worse than the red can it? If it says it's recommended for alloy head and reputable (eg Nulon or castrol etc) shouldn't it be just as good. The pH value I assume would be similar, I guess maybe it has different corrosion inhibitors but surely red can't be that superior...

I realise you can't mix colours of coolant but I've been told by a mechanic that brake fluid you can, provided same DOT..only dye used by each company to distinguish their fluid from others (anybody else heard this..sorry not meaning to change topic)
  Send a private message to this user    
supra86
Occasional Poster


Location:
NSW
Registered:
May 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 14:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what about mobil coolant?
  Send a private message to this user    
clubagreenie
Forums Junkie


Location:
1st street on the right
Registered:
November 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Is it red or green? If not them it's a different discussion. Laughing

It's a yellow/orange isn't it? Just a different dye from what I have read elsewhere, but compatable with green.
  Send a private message to this user    
SupraPete
Forums Junkie


Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
   
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ed_ma61 wrote on Wed, 17 March 2004 20:37


ive got about 6L of pure coolant, straight from the bottle swimming around in the engine atm!! *damn instructions*


My car is at the mechanics with 2 4L containers in the back (one water). I'll double check the instructions but I'm sure they said mix it 50/50 with water.
  Send a private message to this user    
SupraPete
Forums Junkie


Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
   
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 22:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/tacoma_4 runner_30k/maintenancep3.html#coolant

This is the first one I found searching on google.

"Toyota recommends a 50% mix for protection down to minus 31 degrees F., and 60% coolant for use down to minus 58 degrees. "


http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/tacoma_4runner_30k/longlife_coolant.jpg


  Send a private message to this user    
Norbie
Forums Junkie


Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Wed, 17 March 2004 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
HighRolla wrote on Wed, 17 March 2004 23:02

A good green coolant can't be much worse than the red can it? If it says it's recommended for alloy head and reputable (eg Nulon or castrol etc) shouldn't it be just as good. The pH value I assume would be similar, I guess maybe it has different corrosion inhibitors but surely red can't be that superior...

Actually the green coolant doesn't last as long as the red coolant. All coolant has a limited lifespan, and frankly I hate changing my coolant so I'll always go for the one that lasts the longest!

Anyway it's not the colour that's important to me, it's the fact that the Toyota red coolant is recognised as being one of the best available. I'm not going to put any old crap in my 2JZ.
  Send a private message to this user    
V8_MA61
Forums Junkie


Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
June 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i use nulon green coolant. Is the same price as toyota coolant, and works perfect.
  Send a private message to this user    
people100
Forums Junkie


Location:
Rocklea qld
Registered:
February 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anything that has a glycol base of atleast 50% is gonna be the best thing. The stuff we use at work is 95% glycol and is the best stuff for protecting alloy parts ion the engine.
  Send a private message to this user    
ed_ma61
Forums Junkie


Location:
Lost in the K hole
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
whats glycol got to do with corrosion inhibition? i thought it was just the antifreeze component?

could be wrong - and im also pretty drunk, not sure if one explains the other Razz
  Send a private message to this user    
people100
Forums Junkie


Location:
Rocklea qld
Registered:
February 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anti freeze is really just mith to try ti get you to buy something. The simple fact behind it is if you car has a overheating problem then it will over heat. If you car runs good and cold then thats that. Some "anti freeze coolant" is not gonna stop it overheating. Im not sure why but glycol has the ability to protect all alloy parts and even copper/brass. Basically not good coolant and im pretty sure the toyota coolant is glycol then you car parts espically any alluminium stuff will not last long.
  Send a private message to this user    
ed_ma61
Forums Junkie


Location:
Lost in the K hole
Registered:
May 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
people100 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 21:07

Anti freeze is really just mith to try ti get you to buy something.


and here i was convinced it had something to do with raising the boiling point, and lowering the freezing point...

people100 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 21:07

The simple fact behind it is if you car has a overheating problem then it will over heat. If you car runs good and cold then thats that. Some "anti freeze coolant" is not gonna stop it overheating.


really? no kidding! antifreeze has sfa to do with the cooling properties of the coolant, short of altering the temp at which you experience spot boiling (in concert with the use of pressurised cooant systems).


and im still not convinced glycl has anything to do with corrosion inhibition
  Send a private message to this user    
Cool1
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods
Banned User

Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
     
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2004 20:38

and im still not convinced glycl has anything to do with corrosion inhibition

Me too Confused
  Send a private message to this user    
people100
Forums Junkie


Location:
Rocklea qld
Registered:
February 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Its hard to explain. But trust me it does. i work in a radiator shop in brisbane and deal with probably 30-40 litrs of it everyweek and people always ask the questions about it and why the just cant use superthief $3 bottles of it. Glycol is specically formulate to protect the alloy parts and the more glycol the better the protection.
  Send a private message to this user    
HighRolla
Forums Junkie


Location:
Sydney
Registered:
January 2004
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
From internet if interested, information finding is made too easy these days, just got to bbe careful that it's not BS:

Quote:

It should be realized that all glycols oxidize when exposed to air and heat. When this occurs an organic acid is formed. If not properly inhibited, this fluid is very corrosive. Inhibitors are added to the glycol to act as buffers preventing low pH attack on system metals. Certain types of inhibitors also passivate the metal surfaces protecting them from corrosion. These inhibitors can be tested for activity level with a basic test called Reserve Alkalinity.


Quote:

Glycol based automotive anti-freeze is different because it is inhibited with silicates. This type of inhibitor is excellent for protection of aluminum at high temperatures and where an agitated environment is present.


Quote:

In systems where a glycol solution is maintained on a continuous basis an extra corrosion inhibitor such as borate-nitrite and molybdate should still be added. This extra protection will help prevent corrosion if basic inhibitor breakdown occurs.


http://www.chemtexcorp.com/docarchive/pub/Glycol_T reated_Closed_Loops__TT-016-0891.doc
  Send a private message to this user    
Cool1
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods
Banned User

Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
     
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Some interesting info: http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/coolants.htm

If you really want to look after your cooling system you would be buying the coolent they talk about on this page.
  Send a private message to this user    
HighRolla
Forums Junkie


Location:
Sydney
Registered:
January 2004
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I thought that tectaloy was cheap stuff at Kmart etc. Might be wrong though. Looks like they've done the "numbers"
  Send a private message to this user    
Cool1
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods
Banned User

Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
     
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well from what I know about ARE and from what I heard about ARE, I wouldn't be arguing with them. They certainly know their shit.
  Send a private message to this user    
drk_awd
Newcomer


Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
October 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 18 March 2004 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Most of the info on that page is pretty generic ie. would apply to all glycol/water mixtures at that particular concentration not just Tectaloy. What differentiates most of these coolants is the corrosion inhibitor they use.

I'm sure Tectaloy is fine but I prefer the Toyota stuff.

[Updated on: Thu, 18 March 2004 12:28]

  Send a private message to this user    
oldcorollas
Forums Junkie


Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 19 March 2004 00:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
just to be techy

this glycol is basically the same as your regular drinking alcohol but has an extra -OH branch (compared to one in drinking alcohol) the reason it increases boiling point, and decreases freezing point, is the interaction with the water molecules (the water and ethelene glycol molecules 'like' each other)

so. does anyone actually KNOW what is in this Toyota RED coolant?? why does it work? why is it so much better than any others?

Cya, Stewart
  Send a private message to this user    
coronamark2
Forums Junkie


Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2003
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 19 March 2004 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message

yeah i spoke to some radiator guru and he said what coolant are you going to put in, i said tectaloy he said DONT use that crap its only 40% or something like that they had some supercool coolant that has one of the highest ratings of glycol you can get he said basically the more glycol the better the coolant, its not just about the cooling its the corrosion inhibitors as well as people have said

this was premix stuff no dyluting

  Send a private message to this user    
Cool1
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods
Banned User

Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
     
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 19 March 2004 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
coronamark2 wrote on Fri, 19 March 2004 17:22


yeah i spoke to some radiator guru and he said what coolant are you going to put in, i said tectaloy he said DONT use that crap its only 40% or something like that they had some supercool coolant that has one of the highest ratings of glycol you can get he said basically the more glycol the better the coolant, its not just about the cooling its the corrosion inhibitors as well as people have said

this was premix stuff no dyluting



That makes no sense what so ever Confused Tectaloy has a 2 part mix so you choose the % of glycol you want. I also don't think one of the places that sells some of the best alloy radiators in Oz would recommend using stuff that will not combat corrosion Rolling Eyes So if I were you I don't think I would be speaking to that so called radiator guru again.
  Send a private message to this user    
coronamark2
Forums Junkie


Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2003
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 19 March 2004 08:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message


heres some dibble about coolant

http://www.ultraflush.com.au


Why do you need to use a coolant?


To keep your engine running at the correct temperature and to protect its alloys and metals, you need to use a properly designed coolant.
Modern engines contain alloys and are much smaller, more powerful and less polluting than they were ten years ago. They also run hotter and have a more crowded engine compartment that is harder to cool.

Water alone can not offer the protection your car needs. A good quality coolant will save you a lot of expensive repairs and extend the life of your vehicles engine.


What is a coolant?



Broadly speaking, a coolant is any liquid that will transfer heat from your vehicle or piece of equipment to the atmosphere.

An automotive coolant is specifically formulated to transfer the heat from a vehicle's cooling system to the atmosphere via the radiator.

Nearly all cars manufactured after 1986 require the use of an ethylene glycol based coolant to be covered by the manufacturer's warranty.


What goes into a coolant?

Automotive coolants can be based on either water or a chemical substance called ethylene glycol.


Ethylene glycol based coolants are generally by far the most efficient and effective available for your vehicle. An ethylene glycol based coolant contains ethylene glycol, water, corrosion inhibitors and other additives such as colourings and bittering agents.



What are the main benefits of using a coolant?



Anti-boil protection : Protection of the engine at high temperatures or under conditions, e.g. whilst towing a caravan, hot weather or heavy traffic.


Corrosion protection : Protection of the cooling system components from corrosion damage, especially for newer vehicles made with aluminium alloys and various other metals.


Anti-freeze protection : Protection of the engine at low temperatures, e.g. during a trip to the snow, or cold winter nights.




What types of coolants are available?



Concentrated glycol coolants : These need to be diluted with distilled or demineralised water when added to your radiator. Contains ethylene glycol.


Ready to use coolants : These are ready to pour into your radiator. Check that it contains ethylene glycol.


Corrosion inhibitors : These need to be diluted with distilled or demineralised water when added to your radiator. Contains little or no ethylene glycol.


For maximum protection, we recommend you use either a concentrated or ready to use ethylene glycol based coolant.



How do you know if it's a good quality coolant?



Coolants : You get what you pay for!


You can not tell the quality of the coolant (whether in the bottle or in your radiator) simply by looking at it. Coolant colour is not an indication or quality, it is a way of making coolant easily identifiable as a non-food item.


The coolant you are buying must contain at least 85% ethylene glycol for a concentrated coolant or 50% ethylene glycol for a ready to use coolant. If the label does not indicate how much ethylene glycol the coolant contains, we recommend that you do not buy it as you can be assured that it contains very little ethylene glycol.








  Send a private message to this user    
HighRolla
Forums Junkie


Location:
Sydney
Registered:
January 2004
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 19 March 2004 14:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah.. I just don't like people saying yeah, only red coolant without knowing what is better about it. Not one person has given any details except that the import motors that have used it have been sweet as! There's a far bit of chemistry behind all of this that I don't pretend to know (only doing HSC and 1st year uni Chem). I guess if people have had good experience with the RED then why go against it but was teyig to get a more technical response.. Very Happy . I suppose you have to do your own research
  Send a private message to this user    
Jayem
Forums Junkie


Location:
Finland
Registered:
November 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 19 March 2004 15:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Quote:

so. does anyone actually KNOW what is in this Toyota RED coolant?? why does it work? why is it so much better than any others?



I could remember wrong but I think that "silicone based coolant" was printed on the bottle of Finnish brand red coolant.
  Send a private message to this user    
clubagreenie
Forums Junkie


Location:
1st street on the right
Registered:
November 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 19 March 2004 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I picked up the new radiator today and asked the guy what I should use (without prompting, though he knew it was for the Crown). Toyota Red, was his first response. "Why" I asked casually.

It just works, doesn't build up inside the rad, it is aparrently used by holden and ford to eliminate big corrosion problems. He showed me some AU and VT/VX rads that were stuffed. From "factory approved warraty required" coolants.

Going to get some tomorrow in some form or another (Hint Ed Very Happy )
  Send a private message to this user    
7M-Brisbane
Forums Junkie


Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
November 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Sat, 20 March 2004 04:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Toyota red mixed with demineralised water (as directed) is the best option. While I am neither a chemist nor a mechanic, I have both seen and worked on plenty of engines (particularly Toyotas). Any engine that has been running the Toyota coolant has been immaculate... any that has not has at least minor corrosion.

Oh, and if you buy your coolant based on colour you're an idiot. Trans fluid is red, I sure as shit wouldn't be putting that in my radiator. The Toyota branded one is the one to get. That said apparently the Nissan one is basically just as good, but I've had no experience with that so can't really comment.
  Send a private message to this user    
beerfart
Regular


Location:
adelaide
Registered:
August 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Sun, 21 March 2004 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
has anybody else had problems with annoying leaks with toyota red? i have had nothing but trouble with my 7mge since the head was recon. around 5 different leaks, mostly down side of block from head gasket.does not leak into cylinders. several mechanics i have spoken to blame the coolant saying it will not allow the system to seal properly.head has been torqued down three times now.latest recommendation is to use green coolant (good quality) and some gear called WELDIT.did this last night FINGERS CROSSED!!!also when my head was removed (90 cressida) all the aluminium castings looked like new absolutely zero corrosion.i would like to keep using toyota red but it just seems too much like penetrene
  Send a private message to this user    
Stenno
Regular


Location:
Sydney
Registered:
March 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Sun, 21 March 2004 20:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
beerfart wrote on Sun, 21 March 2004 21:53

has anybody else had problems with annoying leaks with toyota red? i have had nothing but trouble with my 7mge since the head was recon. around 5 different leaks, mostly down side of block from head gasket.does not leak into cylinders. several mechanics i have spoken to blame the coolant saying it will not allow the system to seal properly.head has been torqued down three times now.latest recommendation is to use green coolant (good quality) and some gear called WELDIT.did this last night FINGERS CROSSED!!!also when my head was removed (90 cressida) all the aluminium castings looked like new absolutely zero corrosion.i would like to keep using toyota red but it just seems too much like penetrene


errr that's an assembly issue (your mechanic), not a coolant issue. I'd be asking questions if I was you as that's not normal to have coolant leaking from the outside of the gasket - maybe if it was copper and not sealed around the waterjackets properly, but on a stock headgasket?

As for using products like Weldit - isn't that a poor mans headgasket fix?
  Send a private message to this user    
beerfart
Regular


Location:
adelaide
Registered:
August 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Mon, 22 March 2004 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
5 mechanics i have spoken to all say the same thing,including 1 i would never doubt.same guy says red coolant is the no1 choice for a toyota.as far as my head gasket leaks go apparently im no alien and i suppose i should have removed my whole engine and faced the block and rebuilt the bottom end but i have no love of the 7mg and needed the car mobile.compounds such as WELDIT are used by many new vehicle manufacturers for leaking cooling systems.holden spare parts sell "water pump tablets"
  Send a private message to this user    
commander
Regular


Location:
Canada
Registered:
January 2004
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Tue, 23 March 2004 05:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
... my engine had uber amounts of green sludge - build up.

use the red
  Send a private message to this user    
cseufert
Occasional Poster


Location:
Melbourne Vic
Registered:
October 2002
   
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 01 April 2004 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well my old man has been using the Toyota Red Concentrate for years, and has pulled engines apart to find them as good as new inside, now this was the CONCENTRATE, which is no longer available (as far as we can figure), a few of you guys mention that the currently available Toyota Red coolant is in fact the same stuff partially diluted.

We have been using this stuff called RCP+ (available at bursons), and found it to be quite good, although only time will tell, this stuff is a flouro pink colour, seems to work ok. looks really irredecent after you dilute it in a white bucket, or clear bottle. Anyone had any bad experiences with that stuff?

  Send a private message to this user    
clubagreenie
Forums Junkie


Location:
1st street on the right
Registered:
November 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 01 April 2004 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well I got the red and it seemed to be still a concentrate, add water to prescribed mix (rec 50/50) available in 1 and 4 lt.
  Send a private message to this user    
V8_MA61
Forums Junkie


Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
June 2003
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 02 April 2004 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i pulled a 350 chev LT1 out of my dads z28 camaro cut the other day, to see it was perfectly clean - alloy heads. Had this yellow/ gold coloured stuff...i had no idea what type it was.Anyone know what itd be?

Nulon works well on my ma70! Also more expensive than toyota though Sad

[Updated on: Fri, 02 April 2004 09:17]

  Send a private message to this user    
Chris Davey
Forums Junkie


Location:
sunny coast, qld
Registered:
October 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Thu, 22 April 2004 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
anyone got the part number for the red coolant?
  Send a private message to this user    
justcallmefrank
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods

Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 23 April 2004 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If you just go in there and ask for it they'll know.
  Send a private message to this user    
KING_22
Regular


Location:
Oakleigh, Melbourne
Registered:
August 2003
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 23 April 2004 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
so what should i use for my sr20det? Nissan Blue? Laughing
  Send a private message to this user    
justcallmefrank
Forums Junkie


I supported Toymods

Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
 
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 23 April 2004 01:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nope, Toyota Red still mate Smile
  Send a private message to this user    
Chris Davey
Forums Junkie


Location:
sunny coast, qld
Registered:
October 2002
Re: Red coolant? Yes or no? Fri, 23 April 2004 02:28 Go to previous message
justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 23 April 2004 10:10

If you just go in there and ask for it they'll know.


I was just hoping somebody would know as the last time I went there, I asked them for Toyota Type 4 fluid and they had no idea what i was talking about?
  Send a private message to this user    
  Switch to threaded view of this topic Create a new topic Submit Reply
Previous Topic:What should i do??
Next Topic:3sgte into ma61 - anyone heard of one ?
Goto Forum:
-=] Back to Top [=-

Current Time: Sun Aug 17 01:43:03 UTC 2025

Total time taken to generate the page: 0.0086469650268555 seconds

Bandwidth utilization bar

.:: Contact :: Home ::.

Powered by: FUDforum 2.3.8
Copyright ©2001-2003 Advanced Internet Designs Inc.