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AE86 conversion
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Mon, 29 March 2004 13:16
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just wondering what engines the jap drifters (D1 etc) normally use in their ae86's, on the dvd:the drift bible, he gets super sideways with only a 130ps 16v 4age, but im guessing that that 130ps is at the rear wheels. anyone got any info>?
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Perth, WA
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May 2003
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Mon, 29 March 2004 15:26
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drift isnt about power
You've been watching too much initial d you takumi wannabe 
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Location:
adelaide
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October 2003
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Mon, 29 March 2004 15:29
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FULLLIII SICK U LEH
yes to drift u must have a panda srpinter know fact panda ones drift better from the factory......
also if u have played INITAL D it makes u a instant drift pro
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Location:
Melbourne
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November 2002
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Mon, 29 March 2004 23:37
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drift is about car control,
you build initial momentum to throw yourself into an oversteer...
You only use power to regain traction...
And with drift, there is such thing as too much power..
Light NA tuning is probably ideal for drifting.
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June 2002
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 00:08
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i have to agree with some of you, and disagree with others.
i think to drift easily (different from spectacularly or skillfully)
you need:
200KWish at the wheels, with a very linear power delivery (flat torque curve), low lag, biggish engine and sensibly sized turbo.
shcao, how can you use power to regain traction?
personally, i think the best engine for a sprinter for drift is a bigger turbo'd stock internal (for cheapness's sake) SR20DET, and you are right, it MUST be painted in panda colors, and say "fujiwara tofu" on the side.
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I supported Toymods
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sydney.au
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August 2002
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 00:35
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200rwkw? sure that will give you power-over very easily, they thats the most "non-drifting" style of drift there is
ueo katsuhiro won d1 and placed 2nd the following year in a 210hp (at the engine) N/A 4A-GE in his sift drift car
its about BALANCE between the 3 main components
1. suspension
2. engine power
3. chassis rigidity
creat a perfect balance bewteen these three and drift will be much easier
an ae86 with 130hp can get you drifitng like a demon, but you need a VERY well prepped suspension package along with a nice twitchy ridgid chassis to repond well with the hard set suspension.
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Location:
camden
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September 2003
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 00:40
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fuck that sr20 shit...4ag all the way mate..
all you need is a stockie 4age and an lsd and your set...as soon as you build up speed throw it one way then throw it the other and she should drift mate...
cheers
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Location:
Perth, W.A
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October 2003
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 00:54
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correct me if im wrong, but arent some of them (drifters using 4a's in sprinters) running twin side drafts?
and im told (i havent tried it so i dont know) that if you put twin carbies on a 4age 16v it pulls as hard as a 20v?
I say learn to drift with high power (200kw) when it's easy, then when you get good go N/A and get better with less power, when you know how to get the car setup for corners etc etc..
-bc
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Location:
usa
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October 2003
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 03:38
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"no door locks,no aerial,no gay strips up the side,straight as a gun barrel mate"
gotta love that quote! ;D
jeremy
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Location:
Melbourne
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November 2002
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 05:33
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I was under the impression that you had to plant the throttle half way to slide out and clear the corner. The LS will kick in.
But I guess I put it badly.
more power doesn't help you regain traction, but allows you to a larger slide and play with it.
rock on.
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Location:
NSW.south coast.Drifting
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February 2004
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 05:45
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listen i know its not all about power ok, but who said i dont want power? drifting has evolved from near stock power output to well over 3 times that.
WHO DOSENT WANT POWER. you have so much more leverage with a more powerful car around the track and drifting aswell.
i know you dont need a whole lot of power to drift ok, i just asked a simple question.
and PS I HAVE NEVER WATCHED AN INITIAL D EPISODE IN MY WHOLE LIFE. THE CLOSEST IVE EVER COME TO INITIAL D IS WALKING PAST A POSTER OF IT IN SOME JAPANESE SHOP.
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drift isnt about power
You've been watching too much initial d you takumi wannabe
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you know the charaters names FOOL! so who has been watching too much now huh?
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Location:
Melbourne
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January 2003
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 06:41
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| 45aken wrote on Tue, 30 March 2004 15:45 |
WHO DOSENT WANT POWER. you have so much more leverage with a more powerful car around the track and drifting aswell.
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And a load of more problems to deal with too ... Good luck with three or twice the power making the car do what you want without swapping ends all the time .. I wouldn't think that you could really get any worthwhile info on any engines from those tuners over-there , like a lot of there information on web sites , in books like the trd bible etc , gives you lots of specs , but not really any info , Like springs on in the trd bible , it gives you specs apart from heights , so you cannot work out the spring rate over the spring travel , so how do you adjust the shock to suit , measure the spring yourself . I will not even start on the useless engine sections ... If you really want to see a lot of specs that doesn't give any secrets away have a look on the tomei site . hours of reading which tells you shit , just give money and there will do it for you .
Since you have seen the Drift Bible , can you read Japanese ? If so i think you should maybe watch the ae86club instead ... Hot version etc . To see lots of different engines against one another . And i wouldn't go discounting a engine from another manufacture for some cheaper power ...
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 09:10
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you only need big HP if you want to power slide BIG LONG sweepers. thats why the hand brake was created.
The hand brake was created for little under-powered RWD cars to get the tail out. not any of this i wanna do a hill start crap  
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I supported Toymods
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 09:13
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*sigh*
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Location:
NSW.south coast.Drifting
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February 2004
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 10:01
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stupid posts straying from topic!
im not here to fight/proove ppl right/wrong.
just here for opinions. i bought this car souly for the purpose of drift & when everything is ready i will basically be a local at wakefeild and other tracks, not to mention street drifting (i know ppl will say dont do it, keep it on the track etc, but this is my choice, & i will pay the concequences)
what im really after is any information from people who have done engine drops or have these engines in their sprinters. i want to know how the sprinters go with RWD 16v's and FF 100kw. im looking for an NA car because i know of problems with larger Hp (i own a 12.8 sec WRX).
i know a guy who is going the 20v route, but he is having lots of problems (electrical etc). im looking for an easy swap over for an ok engine.
i've got my heart set on a RWD 16v, but if anyone thinks there is a better option, feel free to convince me.
Thanks for any help.
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Location:
NSW.south coast.Drifting
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February 2004
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 10:07
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stupid posts straying from topic!
im not here to fight/proove ppl right/wrong.
just here for opinions. i bought this car souly for the purpose of drift & when everything is ready i will basically be a local at wakefeild and other tracks, not to mention street drifting (i know ppl will say dont do it, keep it on the track etc, but this is my choice, & i will pay the concequences)
what im really after is any information from people who have done engine drops or have these engines in their sprinters. i want to know how the sprinters go with RWD 16v's and FF 100kw. im looking for an NA car because i know of problems with larger Hp/forced induction cars (i own a 12.8 sec WRX & take it to the track often).
i know a guy who is going the AE86 20v route, but he is having lots of problems (electrical etc). im looking for an easy swap over for an ok engine.
i've got my heart set on a RWD 16v, but if anyone thinks there is a better option, feel free to convince me.
Thanks for any help.
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Location:
Brisvegas
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June 2003
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 11:21
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you could easily go 4age
imo i'd get a 4agze for that extra torque 
if/when you get bored of the charger rip it off and go the turbo route...easiest & cheapest way you'll get what you want
power doesnt mean shit...if you watch the d1 guys and all those crazy jap drivers you'll note that they enter corners at min speeds of 80kmph...you dont need a hp warrior to help maintain that drift. Imo the only advantage of big hp is drifting at slower speeds due to obvious traction issues
45aken check out these 2 sites...it gives you an idea of basic power output for the 4a series and the other link will help you in extracting that little bit more
http://www.users.bigpond.com/vidore/toyota_4age_en gine.htm
http://www.billzilla.org/carindex.htm
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you build initial momentum to throw yourself into an oversteer...
You only use power to regain traction...
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shcao, how can you use power to regain traction
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you are right shcao...i too have difficulty in explaining tech things sometimes but basically when you're in the drift and you're thinking about where you want to exit you need to turn the steering wheel the way you want it (ie:visualise where you want the car to be), dump the clutch slightly and power on...this will snap the end back in line with how you've steered.
its obviously not that easy & im no guru but in laymans terms thats about the gist of it. correct me if im wrong
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I supported Toymods
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Re: AE86 conversion
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Tue, 30 March 2004 11:26
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the 3 types
1 way
1.5 way
2 way
limited slip differentials all work on accelleration and decelleration differently
using a throttle to control a car on a 1 way LSD would be dubious
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