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Jayem
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Four stars in crashtest! Mon, 29 March 2004 14:46 Go to next message
http://www.ehowa.com/audicrash.shtml
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Mon, 29 March 2004 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I found that earlier tonight Shocked The full story can be found here

http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showt opic=12907

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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Tue, 30 March 2004 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
eep.
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Tue, 30 March 2004 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
That is scary.
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Tue, 30 March 2004 10:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Shocked Crying or Very Sad
And now to thow the cat among the pigoens.....

quote from rhaines

from Toyota Owners Club

"Now ook again at those photo's closely....

Notice anything a little odd, peculiar ???

Let's see....

1) No broken glass around the accident, except one lump of the iwindscreen and no windows in the car......

2) Really shiny alloy, erm wouldn't he have braked and if not the dirt would have gone into the car....

3) It's amazing how the two boies ended up right next to each other ???

4) Nice pictures of the enigne bay, but, where's all the fluids, you would have thought after the crash you would have brake fluid, water, oil, washer fluid etc ???

4) the bottom and side of the car look straight cut for the back half of the car, only the top is really bent....

5) the bang in the steering wheel is very, very narrow, not like a body has bent it...

6) IOf the fire brigade were going oto cut away the passenger door, surely they would have cut it away under the car ??

7) There is no break inb the earth, even if the car didn't break (v unlikely) you would still see the tyre tracks ??



IMHO that is not real.... It's staged"

and i think that the speedo was in MPH not KPH cause it is is europe. 90mph is like what 140+km/h at 2000rpm must have been a six speed damn thats fast.
what a waste of life
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Tue, 30 March 2004 13:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and i think that the speedo was in MPH not KPH cause it is is europe. 90mph is like what 140+km/h at 2000rpm must have been a six speed damn thats fast.



AFAIK only country that uses MPH's in Europe is GB. 140km/h @ 2000??? Rolling Eyes either he/she had 24" bling bling rims or had some uber long differential gear from some land-speed record car. Non-of those scenarios is believable.
What I think is that, that Audi has entered that corner at speed of 180kmh or what ever and get airborne and hit that tree while flying. Driver has been like WTF? and lifted foot from accelerator. When impact happened, wheels were spinning at 90kmh. That would explain why there arrant many marks on the ground.

No car would end up that kinda mess due to crash at 90kmh. There must has been much more speed involved in that crash.

There was also some Portuguese bloke that claimed that it was some local accident.

Sad accident anyway!
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Tue, 30 March 2004 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Or the speedo and tacho are not at the positions they were at the time of the crash but instead at random positions that they happened to end up.
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Tue, 30 March 2004 14:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Or the speedo and tacho are not at the positions they were at the time of the crash but instead at random positions that they happened to end up.


That's right but I was and still am under impression that speedo and tacho freezes in new cars when crash happens.
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Tue, 30 March 2004 15:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I'll agree with that being possibly staged.
ed, rob and justin will remember the amount of fluids that pour out when you remove an engine from a car - and where the engine is sitting on the dirt, there is not a spot of oil anywhere
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Tue, 30 March 2004 22:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
it looks like some kind of training exercise.

I wonder if that model Audi came with airbags...
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Sat, 17 July 2004 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cool
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Sat, 17 July 2004 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jayem wrote on Wed, 31 March 2004 00:49

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Or the speedo and tacho are not at the positions they were at the time of the crash but instead at random positions that they happened to end up.


That's right but I was and still am under impression that speedo and tacho freezes in new cars when crash happens.


the computer for the airbags will have recorded speed at and prior to triggering, possibly even the engine/trans ECU... but gauges?

why would they? - they're still just a end-mounted needle with a spring to hold it at zero when no eletromechanical force is applied (radially) to the needle.

Only reason for an unpowered gauge like a tach, speedo or fuel guage not to be at zero is a mechanical failure within the guage - not the sudden lack of sensor data due of the engine being violently ripped from the car.

by the time those gauges failed (probably due to massive negative G's from tree-induced deccelaration) the car (or parts there of) were not at previous travelling speed.

And they do make them reasonably durable so they withstand many years of bumpy/poorly maintained roads and dubious driver skill.
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Sat, 17 July 2004 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i wonder if the deck is still good and if they have the face still... wonder if they wants to sell it Rolling Eyes
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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Sat, 17 July 2004 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I doubt thats a staged pic, if you look at the markings on the trees from the accident its pretty clear someone diddnt take the bark off with an axe. the front and rear glass is still in one piece despite the front bieng on the ground... and the impact speed was so great as to have thrown side glass and any fluids to kingdom come.

Its also pretty hard to spread around the debris as randomly as that. If youve ever been involved in simulation stuff youll know what i mean. Also you dont know how long its been from the time of the accident to when it was found and the photos were taken. It could have been up to 8 hours or more.. by witch time most of the coolant would have all but dissapeared.. and the engine is still intact pretty much so no oil will be exiting anywhere in large quatities.

plus have you ever tried to bend a door round a tree like that? you might get it to hug the front but i doubt youd get it wrapped as well as that by hand withoput leaving some visible impression on the door of how you did it.

Not a pretty sight.. thats what happens when you speed in an uncontrolled inviroment though. Im just glad i never have to see the bodies like that ever again. I used to be a volunteer fireman back home... we used to have a main road out of a small town from the pub intersect the state highway. it wasnt called collision crossroads for no reason... I quit that particular fire station after about the 5th accident i attended there... small towns means you usually know the people killed Sad

EDIT: hmm looking closer at how they hit id say the struck the first tree on an angle with the rim of the passenger side and the front gaurd clipping the tree then it started hard impact along the door till it got to the B pillar, at that point it probhably caught the car and spun it completely sideways tearing it in half, the front would have spun round a couple of times and come to rest which is why the bodies are back behind the impact point, the rear spun around the road side of the tree and rolled ( quickly back to its impact point. the G forces on the upper and lower parts of thier bodies was probhably opposing... they were probhably almost torn in half. Hopefully they were dead on impact and diddnt die from the internal injuries. You can see from the steering wheel how the seatbelt failed to react fast enough in the collision,probahbly more to do with the speed they were doing, it would have been the drivers head that caused the wheel to be bent like that. and the headrest on the drivers side is missing, the body ws most likely flung out over it tearing it out as the B pillar that held the belts were no longer there. you can just make out the belts hanging down in the shot of the rear.

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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Sun, 18 July 2004 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
it looks scary but i think its staged as i lost a mate the other day in the accident on silverdale rd at silverdale where the vt commodore split in two, they were travelling at 200kph, spun out hit a tree at 180kph and the car wasnt as messed up as that audi was, so thats why i think its staged.

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Re: Four stars in crashtest! Sun, 18 July 2004 15:47 Go to previous message
actually having a second loook at it, it becomes more realistic because that sort of damage can happen and there no skidmarks because of how close the tree is too the road, they could of swerved too missed something at some crazy speed and swiped the tree ending up like that.
i've been in one of those audi s3 things and they fucking scream and yeah they are six speeds.

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