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Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 03:21
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taken from a vw forum
I finally did it, and yes, i'm crazy. Because I will be getting an mr2 turbo in the near future, I am only doing expiramental DIY projects to my 88 golf gt 8v. This is the craziest one yet. I ran it against the alternator belt at idle: it move a good bit of air; maybe enough for some positive manifold pressure! I just hope it will hold together in high revs. I also am trying to figure out how to mount it.
im going to K mart
link to the thread
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=450937&am p;page=1
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Northwestern Sydney
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August 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 03:28
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 he stole HKS's new setup.
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Location:
Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 03:45
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What a laugh. Although it scares me how much spare time one has. Alot of work seems to have gone into that. good work.
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I supported Toymods
On probation
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 03:46
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A lot of work? I would say i could whip one up in around 1/2 an hour 
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Tamworth
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October 2002
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 04:27
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That is absolute genius. Why didn't I think of this??
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Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 05:09
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Surely most Celica drivers (well, ST162 and onwards) would have a spare one laying around!!
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Location:
Melbourne
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April 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 05:15
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Well. i always heard people refer to positive displacement chargers as hair driers, but this takes the cake. hehehehe
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Ballarat, Victoria
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March 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 06:09
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Does it actually work?
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Location:
Northwestern Sydney
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August 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 06:10
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Hands up who is thinking about trying it????
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Canberra
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February 2004
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 06:13
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reading the VW thread, that thing about rerouting your airconditioning to give you really cool air for you intake has sparked my curiousity. do you think that if someone was a particularly gifted engineer, they could hook up a switch that makes their aircon work as normal when you need it (ie in summer) or if you hit the switch, the air gets fed into your intake instead? surely that would have to give you a bit of extra power from your Air Con. Just a thought
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 06:16
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You'd have to cool the air enough to overcome the power sapping of the aircon compressor, which I doubt you'd do.
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Canberra
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February 2004
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 06:21
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allright then, what if you took the whole, bolting electrical appliances theme to it. Just get a normal household airconditioner, hook it up to the alternator and route the air through your intake, therefore, no compresor sucking up all your power.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Location:
Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 06:28
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Damn you Lisa! In this house we obey the rules of Thermodynamics!
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Canberra
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February 2004
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 06:29
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Allright then, hook up a switch which turns off all non-vital electrics so that your alternator can belt out some fat voltage for your airconditioner/intercooler. I dunno.....actually, come to think of it, you can get some damn long extension cords.....
Wait
what about solar power?
solar powered air conditioner intercooler.
sounds like a plan
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NSW
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September 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 09:32
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WTF... Man is that a hairdryer!!!?!?!?!
Blown away (no pun intended)
Genius!!!
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1st street on the right
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November 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 10:59
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So alternators have a cooling fan either on the front (older) or internal (new). Harness that, it's being driven anyway and away you go!
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Ballarat, Victoria
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March 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 13:49
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it looks like something id see in a honda
or a lancer 
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1st street on the right
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November 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 01 April 2004 13:54
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Definately for a celica.
After all, they say they are hairdressers cars.
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Fri, 02 April 2004 00:58
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post up a how to!!! so i can make one for my 4kc , why dnt you just hook the hair dryer up and take the heat coil thing out? set it no high speed and run it off ya battery lol
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adelaide
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April 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Sat, 03 April 2004 01:15
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that was from 2002 - was there ever a follow up post?? would be great just to see it strapped on even if it didn't work
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Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Sun, 04 April 2004 09:15
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| jinxinferno wrote on Thu, 01 April 2004 16:13 |
reading the VW thread, that thing about rerouting your airconditioning to give you really cool air for you intake has sparked my curiousity. do you think that if someone was a particularly gifted engineer, they could hook up a switch that makes their aircon work as normal when you need it (ie in summer) or if you hit the switch, the air gets fed into your intake instead? surely that would have to give you a bit of extra power from your Air Con. Just a thought
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unless you could get an absorption refrig(or if you will...aircon) system to actually cool down enough air fast enough(very very doubtful) to actually gain enough benefit to offset the weight of the system, then it could work
but a conventional compressor aircon system has feck all chance of this happening, unless you could overcome friction and invent perpetual motion 
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Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Sun, 04 April 2004 09:16
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on another note
i tried this home made supercharger but mummy got pissed off at me for breaking her hairdryer so she broke my supercharger 
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Canberra
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February 2004
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Sun, 04 April 2004 13:37
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damn, foiled by friction, lack of perpetual motion AND the laws of thermodynamics
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Tue, 06 April 2004 13:00
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 01 April 2004 16:23 |
And where do you think the alternator gets its power from?
Seriously though, the airconditioner-cold-air-induction idea gets floated on pretty much every car forum in existence on a regular basis (and yes I've seen it here at least once before). Unfortunately a few pesky details called the laws of thermodynamics prevent this from working.
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And Ford own the patent!
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Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Tue, 06 April 2004 14:46
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looks like one very strange hair dryer
is it going to work???
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Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Tue, 06 April 2004 23:19
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| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 06 April 2004 22:46 |
| Norbie wrote on Thu, 01 April 2004 16:23 |
And where do you think the alternator gets its power from?
Seriously though, the airconditioner-cold-air-induction idea gets floated on pretty much every car forum in existence on a regular basis (and yes I've seen it here at least once before). Unfortunately a few pesky details called the laws of thermodynamics prevent this from working.
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heh heh... so what about using the air con expansion coil to cool say.. a 20L tank of glycol to sub zero temps, and running it thru your water to air IC  large capacity of water/glycol would take at least a little while to heat up, and must be better than using room temp air to cool the IC water...
sure you may need to slow down every now and again for the AC to catch up, but thats what lights are for
fwiw, glycol cooling systems are whats used in the lovely beer taps with ice all over them!! mmmm cold beers!! 
Cya, Stewart
EDIT: great for dyno day runs too
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i wouldnt limit it to saying just glycol, proper term is secondary refrigerants which can be glycol, brine solutions, antifreeze, plain water, methanol etc.
The only problem with using this kind of system in a car is that you usually require some form of cooling tower to cool the glycol down, or at the very least another "condensor". then the pump to make the solution flow, you'd also probably need a larger evaporator. It would also be non efficiant to use R12 or R134a as the refrigerant as there are better gases to get "sub zero" temps with, which would make it unsuitable for use inside your cars cabin. which would mean a whole bunch of shit would need to be changed, easiest to change your entire AC system
Theory is kind of sound, but practically there would be quite a bit of added weight and retro fitting.
hrmm, dont quote me too closely on the above, i'm still half asleep...but i suppose if you had a dyno queen and wieght wasnt an issue, it would be a pretty good way of cooling down intake temps.
BTW i'm a big fan of the temprites used to chill beer
[Updated on: Tue, 06 April 2004 23:26]
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Wed, 07 April 2004 01:15
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Such a system would probably work great on a drag car. You could use an external refrigeration system to cool the reservoir of glycol/whatever, and as long as your reservoir is large enough it should remain cool for the 10 seconds or whatever you're blasting down the 1/4 mile. Having an on-board refrigeration system probably wouldn't be too practical though.
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Central Coast NSW
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March 2004
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Re: Supercharged POWER!
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Thu, 22 April 2004 06:42
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so did you actually try the hair dryer experiment?
Results?
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