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Tue, 20 August 2002 07:36
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Hello again
I have been gone for a while but i now have my new computer. I do not have to worry about windows any more and can enjoy the fruit of Apple.
Anyone else on this forum living without windows. Isnt it so much nicer. HAhahahaha
Brad
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I supported Toymods
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south of the big smoke
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Re: no more playschool
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Tue, 20 August 2002 07:50
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dude i hope you get what ya want out of a mac
they are good for video editiing and thats about it
but thats my 2 cents
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Tue, 20 August 2002 07:57
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I have two servers which run Red Hat Linux.
Three desktops, one runs Red Hat 7.1 Linux (my main PC), one runs Gentoo Linux, and the last one runs Windoze for my Mum to do email on.
Also have a laptop which runs Red Hat 7.3 Linux.
So yeah, don't have much contact with Windoze. Have to use it here at work though. 
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
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May 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Tue, 20 August 2002 10:26
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Heh, dude, you have a strawberry. 
They arn't even that good for video editing anymore either. I can do the same and more on my PC.
Plus I'll enjoy my 2nd button on my mouse thanks.
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I supported Toymods
Banned User
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Tue, 20 August 2002 12:46
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I thin i'll stick with Linux!
Max, You like the Red Hat dist? What release do you like better?
I've been told that 6.2 is still the best for networking!
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Tue, 20 August 2002 14:30
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yeh you probably can do the same thing on you PC (video editing) but on a mac its so much quicker. i have seen a test between a 1.6gigaHZ pentium 4 or something and a 700mhz G4 mac. the mac edited the same 15minute piece of video 4 minutes quicker than the pc running the same software doing the exact same tasks, now 4 minutes dont sound like much but thats 16 minutes an hour add that up over a year and imagine the amount of productivity lost by using a pc
**End geek mode**
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Tue, 20 August 2002 15:27
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which you'd really, really, really want the mac to do, considering the prohibitive cost, compared to same speed PC
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Adelaide
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May 2002
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Tue, 20 August 2002 15:29
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why you guys so anti-windows. u cant go past windows 2000/xp for reliability or security
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Tue, 20 August 2002 15:30
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"the only time microsoft might ever make something that doesn't suck would be if they started building vacuum cleaners"
but yes, I dont mind XP at all
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Carlingford, Sydney
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May 2002
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Tue, 20 August 2002 23:35
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windows?
haha
it will never be very good at doing anything except look good and sell more than anything else
no 1 said anything about working
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Tue, 20 August 2002 23:39
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well, were to start...
windows = evil.. windows sucks so hard cause all they are interested in is money on the other hand you have linux which is open surce, nothing but quality operating systems.
Unfortunately, i share my computer with my family windows is a must, but last night i found the time to free up 5 or so gig for a dual boot, slackware 8.1 has the nod from me, for the linux fans 5 gig may seem alot but i plan to install KDE and Gnome libraries as well as good ol FluxBox..
As for the security side, there are way more hacks and exploits for windows compared to linux, and if your running a debian (distro of linux) server, good luck hacking that.
it is true there is life past windows on a PC, it is true..
Well that is my 2-5 cents worth..
Nark: what os does the toymods server run?? i noticed the KDE zip icons on the attachments in the forum.. 
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Location:
Adelaide
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July 2002
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Wed, 21 August 2002 04:11
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Nark, thats right you cant compare Mhz for Mhz when comparing a PC to a Mac. The way the boards are made and the way the bus systems, cache all that stuff works so much more efficiently and yuo can run linux on a mac too....
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Wed, 21 August 2002 09:33
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on an automotive note:
G4s (and athlons) are more torquey- they perform well at low revs,
and the pentium 4 has to rev harder to get the same performance.
the athlon and G4 do run hotter than p4 though...
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Wed, 21 August 2002 09:34
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thanks for translating that into car-talk for us all 
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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I supported Toymods
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Sydney
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June 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Wed, 21 August 2002 11:55
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ROFLMAO
So what is a 3SGTE?
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Wed, 21 August 2002 12:00
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| GEE120 wrote on Wed, 21 August 2002 9:55 PM |
So what is a 3SGTE?
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An engine
hah !! 
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I supported Toymods
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south of the big smoke
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May 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Wed, 21 August 2002 12:20
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well my 4afc must be a 286
and the fuel management must be dos 3.0
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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I supported Toymods
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Sydney
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June 2002
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Wed, 21 August 2002 14:03
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Yeah, but the truth is it because people arent educated enough about computers.
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Thu, 22 August 2002 05:11
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Ppl dont like windoze for same reason we dont like commondores (well me anyways)
Cause Its common and its shit!
Just because windows owns the market doesnt make it a better product. 
As far as apples versus pc's?
Macs do have better processing for video.. No doubt about it..
But thats where it ends..
Theyre is way less support for them, in the way of software etc. Compared to the pc world where you have endless supply of ppl writing software for them..
look at the GUI on a mac but?  and that single button mouse? what cant mac people handle the extra brain power needed to press another button??
Seriously tho.. the only reason mac came back into the market was because of those ricey cases and keyboards and mice they were selling.
Thus dragging macs death out longer. 
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Thu, 22 August 2002 07:34
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my point was that it seems like a whole computer company that makes the computers and software is competing against a dodgy software company.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Thu, 22 August 2002 08:29
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The original Imacs were a far superior video editing system 2 years ago - and also had the performance to match toe to toe with any PC based system ..
Not anymore - now they are just Hippie excuses for a arsty computer - and still cost you an arm and leg - when you can pick up a AMD athlon system - that will outmuscle it in all areas AND have a working platform for most programs on the market today
The problem is that PC's have the monopoly ,and that monopoly is based on mass production and maketing ..
people use windows because its easy for 90% of the population who dont demand the extra goodies and bells and whistles to customise their systems .. Its also the mainstay OS for 99.5 % of software manufacturiers - their products being made to RUN on windows
for me as a tech head i know that *nix is a much better product for those who want to delve into the dark depths of their PC's and bring out their strong points - but the hassle is WHO supports *nix for mainstay products you can buy from your local computer shop and who has the time to delve these days unless your a tech geek ?
Try getting a digital camera to run on *nix without having to write a custom script or something similar - whereas windows - i just plug it in - press a a button and off the bugger goes ..
For simple ease - windows rules - its brainless and has the joy of plug and pray ( AND USB ) - for the technical crap, networking and Internet powah - stick with the Unix's
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Sydney
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Thu, 22 August 2002 23:10
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Yeah, admitidly, linux takes more to learn the ins and outs, but every thing is free ware.. nothing costs and yes there will be people that say that they dont pay for windows software but is it legal.. i think not.. linux is free and it is legal, there is heaps of software on the net for linux and if you cant find somthing of the equvilent of windows then emulate it, some programs for windows run better emulated under linux then they do in windows.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: no more playschool
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Thu, 22 August 2002 23:57
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| Classique71 wrote on Thu, 22 August 2002 6:29 PM |
Try getting a digital camera to run on *nix without having to write a custom script or something similar - whereas windows - i just plug it in - press a a button and off the bugger goes ..
For simple ease - windows rules - its brainless and has the joy of plug and pray ( AND USB ) - for the technical crap, networking and Internet powah - stick with the Unix's
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Err... Dude. If you have a digital camera, try gPhoto. Haven't had problems with plugging a digicam in yet...
And FWIW, I've found it a lot easier to plug things into Linux than Windoze. As long as the driver was compiled into the kernel, it will be automatically recognised and configured without a need to reboot. USB works the same, hotplug any USB device in and it should be recognised.
The thing is that if something goes wrong, you might be able to fix it in Linux. On Windoze, you're screwed...
And on the subject of Macs, I grew up knowing that they were inferior to my beloved Amigas so I don't really have that much of a respect for them. The PPC architecture and OS X BSD core is really good though, at least it multitasks now (Windoze is still struggling with the concept).
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Fri, 23 August 2002 00:28
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heh, you gotta love the virtual desktops in linux
i used to be a win kiddie, linux is just sooo much better, windows is inferior it is such a pitty they have the market monoplised, but that is all good, while they have the market monoplised, linux is free for me
oi nark: what X do you use?
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Fri, 23 August 2002 01:18
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Multiple desktops can be had on Windoze (not very well, but still...).
What I can't stand about windoze is that when a window has focus it must be on top.. Plus you can't map hotkeys to raise/lower windows when you have mouse focus.
Can't stand that, makes me so less productive...
My main PC runs X 4.0 with XImian Gnome and Sawfish.
My laptop runs X 4.2 with Gnome and Metacity. Yay anti aliased fonts!
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Sydney
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Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: no more playschool
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Fri, 23 August 2002 04:07
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Nah, never really used a KDE desktop before. Only ever used Gnome since there's more support for it...
Sawfish is OK. Very configurable but not as big a mammoth as Enlightenment.
Sawfish is very graphical, but gives me all the options and hotkey bindings that I need, like switch windows/desktops quickly.
Metacity doesn't which means I'll prolly be ditching it and shoving Sawfish on the laptop.
Fluxbox looks pretty sweet, but doesn't have full Gnome support.
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Seems suiting 
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