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3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 10:06
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Hey all.
I was looking up stuff. And found that there are numerous people and sites who are converting 3.8 Ecotec engines from the commodores, into hiluxs. You can pick up convertion kits for fairly cheap.. anyway It will convert the 22R, and a few others too.. But I thought HEY! wait a minute, didnt the old Celicas come with that engine? Why cant you convert a celica to take the 3.8 The torque figures mean that it would rock.
Anyway just an idea? What do you all think? Would there be enough room for the engine and transmission? Or maybe the COmmodore manual would fit? Even auto would be hella quick, and prob easier to install..
Hope to hear from you all soon.
-Shaun
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne.victoria.austra...
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June 2002
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 10:11
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lead tipped pencil for one - believe me the EV6 and the ecotec weigh heaps - completely cast iron!
FWIW yes it does fit in the ta22 - quite well too i might add. if you ask nicely classique71 he ran into a dude in geelong i think it was that has performed this conversion.
it wouldn't be awefully quick, but, would have bloody bags of torque, and, in that little tiny body would make for an interesting setup...
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 10:12
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few things..
is it legal? what is the weight of the celica?
why would you want to put a heavy, unbalanced, poorly built motor into a toyota?
yes it will go better, but why? there are better alternatives...
something lighter, something with more power potential, something lighter 
Cya, Stewart
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 10:28
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ah.. OK. so the weight factor is a big problem.
Well, they arnt too bad I thought, and parts are Very much available. You can pretty reliabily get an ecotec well, moreso than getting an import engine.
I though that the torque would make it heaps of fun.
thanks guys,
Shaun.
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Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 10:32
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RA 65? only had the 22r engine. I would rather an ecotec go into a skip bin rather than a toyota, but each to their own.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 10:35
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well, it'd go like a commondore but with less weight.
it would be cheap, relatively easy, and relatively good, but handling is always an issue.. would also need larger brakes than otherwise to pull the thing up, understeer in the wet etc...
but, coupled with a slushbox, it'd be a nice runaround, just not exactly a track car
turbo the 22R 
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 13:16
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Yeah well turbo is a possibility. But I thought dumping a readily available engine in would be easier. It wouldnt really be a track car, just something to have fun in, and maybe now and then for some off road doorrrrrifto.
I think the torque from it would deffinatly make it a fun car, and suprise a few people.
Does anyone actually know the weight differences?
Thanks for your help all.
-Shaun
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northan beaches
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March 2004
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 15:03
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you know there is a s/c bombadore engine. would bolt in with the kit. now that would be a beast. Evan more weight in the front and know way a 3.8 with boost would be legal. an idea though. then think pulley kit and a front mount. 
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne.victoria.austra...
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June 2002
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Tue, 13 April 2004 21:12
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guys, it would be cheaper to get a bloody 1jz and put it in there - the ecotecs especially (ESP the supercharged motor) are demanding big money at the moment.
better off putting a 1uz in there, lighter, better engineered ect
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Wed, 14 April 2004 08:51
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Still, try telling that to the Gemini guys At least the Holden V6 is kinda-sorta smallish... Anyways, will I be REALLY brave, and admit that when I was around 12 years old, putting a Commodore V6 into an RA65 was actually something I wanted to do? Even looked at cars, engines, etc. with the idea of doing it... *takes cover from flying bricks!*
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Brisbane
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October 2002
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Wed, 14 April 2004 09:22
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there is a guy up here in brissy with a V6 in his gemini, he uses it for track days/drifting/skids and its a weapon
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brisbane
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Wed, 14 April 2004 09:32
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mrdohc is that a pink one? i have seen that it is awesome it fits great in the gemini.
i have seen a few hiluxs with the v6 motor ini t.. it is a very nice fit and they all go well.. very well
they wouldnt be to bad in the engine bay of a celica as they sit back in the bay not faward means the weight will be more to the middle of the car rather then more to front
the engine aint that heavy.. not that much more heavier then the ol 18rc so it wouldnt be that bad in a celica ra40 onwards
power to weight would be great
and you dont really need an ecotec one.. personally i rather a normal one then an ecotec normal one would be 1 cheaper and 2 easier to work on.. all the ecotec is that it has a bigger plenum chamber and a slightly diff computer so normal nopn ecotec wouldnt be that much different in power.
one from a vp or early vr would be great
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Location:
Perth WA
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August 2003
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Thu, 15 April 2004 04:44
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there is quite a lot of difference between the ecotec and the old V6 different cylinder head design, different piston skirt sizes different block height, sequential injection instead of multifire. Hence more fuel efficient and more power
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Thu, 15 April 2004 11:10
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Later on, resale wise, the commodore-motored celica hybrid would be worth less than an original commodore, but a celica with a hot Jap motor would be more de$irable............
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Fri, 16 April 2004 00:10
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I think it is a good idea. Although I am partial to people who are willing to try something a bit different The engine is not as heavy as everyone says, and they have some good torque.
A mate of mine has a 3.8L Buick from a VP in a Sigma. I have been helping him throughout the whole process. I have had a drive and it pulls very well. The 3.8 weighs less than the 2.0L that was in there, adn yes, it does sit bak a long way in the engine bay.
The engine he picked up cost $1200 from engine, Auto trans, ECU and loom. Other things you need to worry about are cross member, mounts and tailshaft. Trans is easy to hook up if you use an aftermarket shifter like a B&M or similar. From here there are plenty of other thig that you may want to look at but are not essential: Brakes, Diff, Dash, wheels, Suspension
Do something different. You wont be dissapointed. 
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Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Fri, 16 April 2004 00:20
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FWIW, an Ecotec V6 without gearbox and torque converter is about 195kg, and an LS1 in the same condition is about 185 kg.
So if you're worried about weight and want extra torque, go for the LS1 !!!!
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Melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Fri, 16 April 2004 10:47
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rrr... i'm on a lot of forums, and always see the same thing when someone puts their neck out about a cross breed car.
Let people do what they want!
BUT to the point:
the 3.8L is a pretty compact engine. They actually make a massive
fan shroud in the commodores (over 40cm long) to make the bay look full. Their 'tiny' esp when you pull all the plastic covers off em. I don't see why they'd be very heavy either.
a 3.8L would shit all over the 22r (driven one in a lux ute)
People seem to forget what cubes do to all round drivability/comfort.. Do what you like for performence, but to be able to drop your foot in 5'th and still pull is awesome.. Esp when your tired and cbf'd changing gears)
A std, 3.8, in a vn v6 manual does 15.5 sec 1/4 from factory..
That is, in a 1300-1400kg car. In a 1000kg car, easy 14's..
How could anyone say that is not fast?? The factory hilux diff, which is oviously (numerically) higher than the 3.08:1 ratio the VN's use, would yield awesome acceleration off the mark.
This all being with a standard family car engine, which will run as good, long, and reliably as it would in a commodore. Comparing this with the reliabily issues of turboing the 22r, the 3.8 is better.
The engines are cheap as anything.. Their are about 8 or 9 of them in pikapart, and the other week they had a special on for 'any bare engine, including head(s) - $50' Taking advantage of this offer, plus buying loom + computer + everything else you need), you'd have all then engine bits for <$300. All you need to do to smooth out the husky VN v6 is to swap the computer for a VP/VR one.. simple as that. Or just swap the memcal..
Sequention injections is actually just for emissions, it's contribution to power and economy are insignificant.
This all being for a base. You can always modify the v6 with the usually intake/ex mods, and thier is a huge array of aftermarket parts available for cheap.
That is my unbiased opinion, i own 7 cars, 4 of which are 70's celicas, (2t/3t Hyb, 18RG, 18R, 2t) the other 3 are: a worked 5.7L, a 3.5L Turbo, as well as a n.a worked 4.0L (NOT FORD) stock.
So I am NOT BIASED!! (or so i hope not)
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u.s.a. south
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April 2004
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Re: 3.8 ecotec into Hilux/celica.
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Sun, 18 April 2004 06:34
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hi all, new guy here
hemi, I share your unbiased views 100%
I have 2 crossbred ae86, both turbo mitsubishi 4s, one sohc(starion), the other dohc(vr4). They run excellent. I'd never give em up. smooooth
I have lotsa experience with the old 3.8L Buick v6. I dunno if u guys know what a grand national is over there, but u won't find full wt (~3500 lbs) street car that run 10sec quarters with as few cheap mods.
GM 3800 is a redesign of the 3.8L - smoother, more power.
If setup properly in a lightwt ~1100kg import, it would make an excellent street car. Just a tip of the throttle would press u back into the seat everytime, and give great economy to boot. Would even shit all over a gze, be alot smoother, cost less, etc.. rugged and reliable.
In the u.s. they swap the supercharged version into everything. A turbocharged 3800 would frighten u outta your mind.
I haven't ruled out a 3800/5spd powered corolla swap in my future
My first engine swap was a 3.8L/5sp into a gm vega (2800 lbs), hardly ever got higher than 3rd gear.
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