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AW11 Vs. AE86 ?
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Sat, 17 April 2004 14:16
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as the title says....opinons please??
p.s. the S/C aw11 
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Sat, 17 April 2004 14:20
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It depends
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Sat, 17 April 2004 14:37
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It comes down to personal choice really. I used to own a turbocharged AE86, it had front rear strut braces, king springs, kyb shocks etc, and it doesnt even compare to the handling of my stock aw11 suspension. That could be because my old sprinter was setup badly? or not. I finally bought an aw11 due to the fact of the indestructable driveline e51 gearbox, and stock Supercharged.
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Sat, 17 April 2004 14:37
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Stock Jspec AE86 GT Apex Vs AW11 S/C
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Sat, 17 April 2004 14:51
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for bang for buck go the s/c aw11.
for the price you will pay if you do manage to locat a GT-apex, you could buy at least 2 s/c aw11s.
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Sun, 18 April 2004 00:15
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It's what ever tickles your fancy really.
aw11 have more road holding power, lets not forget that.
I think for what they are, JDM apex ae86 are overpriced.
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Sun, 18 April 2004 02:21
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Aw11 is god (little biased)
Aw11 SC feels like a gokart to drive there is no doubt about that, although the sprinter would be light, more chuckable and rev happy than the SC
Personally i want both 
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Sun, 18 April 2004 02:22
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A nun and a lesbian fall off a tall building. Which one hits the ground first?
Who cares.
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Sun, 18 April 2004 02:22
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yeah I recon that if initial D didnt exist.. 86s wouldn't be worth a whole lot. Imagine if takumi drove an aw11... our cars would probably be worth like 20-30k 
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Sun, 18 April 2004 02:30
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that said a NA mr2 will be light, chuckable, revhappy and have that road holding power
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Sun, 18 April 2004 02:40
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I would go the AW11, not as pricy and Mid mounted engine.
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Sun, 18 April 2004 02:53
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having owned both, and now having a very modified aw11 right now, the aw11 is better priced in some ways - handles very well in THE DRY. in the wet an ae86 will kill an aw11.
ae86 easier to do work on - more hot-up "bolt on" parts available.
T
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Sun, 18 April 2004 05:21
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thanks for all the replies guys! Yes I've just sold my AE86 and Im looking at buying another car and I've always liked the shape of the AW11 I just want to know how it handles compared to an AE86?
I'm not in particular looking at 'drifting' I want something that is light, handles well and has good aftermarket support in suspension bits.
Where can I find coilovers and LSDs for the AW11 ?
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Sun, 18 April 2004 06:55
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a well setup na ae86 vs a well setup na aw11... tough call
cant give the ae86 a na and the 11 a S/C, that not fair
it depends on the 'sport' your using it for, but generally:
aw11 = sticky highway killer, awesome in dry, not so great in wet, limited parts and limited functions due to MR setup, but still fun and nimble
ae86 = nible corner carver, equally great in wet and dry, can be adjusted for any type of function, race, rice, drift, motokhana, drag. all round funcar! 
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Sun, 18 April 2004 07:09
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limited parts and functions? i wouldnt go as far as to say that. Check out www.mroc.com or anywhere else for that matter. Have a look at bens 10 second aw11 for instance.
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Sun, 18 April 2004 09:16
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chill pill dude, its all good!
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Sun, 18 April 2004 09:48
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AW11!
Although, i would like to put a 3sgte in an ae86
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Sun, 18 April 2004 14:41
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heh, i wasnt being angry. all chilled 
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Mon, 19 April 2004 07:16
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Does anyone know where to get LSDs for the AW11 ? Both for the NA and the S/C? ??
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Mon, 19 April 2004 09:46
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http://www.m-msport.com.au/
These guys often have ads in auto action specifically aimed at both the 86 and AW11.
Hope they can help
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Mon, 19 April 2004 22:52
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thats us.
web site being changed & updated all the time.
yes i can get kaaz lsd units for both the aw11 & ae86 & we are very experienced with both vehicles -
we currently have 3 aw11's (admitteldy one is still in japan - s/c one)
we have a aw11 sports sedan that runs a 2zz (fully spaceframed)
& my project car runs a n/a 3sge with a whole load of other mods
also have played around with ae86 engine conversions as well
T
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Mon, 19 April 2004 23:38
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| fatmr2 wrote on Sun, 18 April 2004 19:48 |
AW11!
Although, i would like to put a 3sgte in an ae86
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Done it!
Finished running the motor in so the boost and revs go up today.
Cant wait! 
As for the aw11 v's ae86: It depends on what you want. It is a close call but in a new magazine ( zoom i think ) they test a starlet turbo v's aw11 v's ae86 and the winner was AE86! 
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Tue, 20 April 2004 00:24
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i think it was hot4s and it the reason the ae86 won it was coz it was the most rounded.
the AW11 is a sports car, whereas the AE86 is a hatch 
i think the AE86 wasnt supercharged
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Tue, 20 April 2004 00:41
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No, the ae86 wasn't supercharged.
All cars tested were standered, therefore the ae86 was a 4age na
I realy like the aw11, but personaly I would never choose one over an ae86.
I've owned over 20 cars in my life ( vr-4 gelant, fj20t corona, bunch of worked v8's etc.) but I always seem to go back to the ae86. This is my third one, and by the way Initial D had nothing to do with it as I herd about it only a year ago, and I had my first ae86 in 1997.
If Takumi drove an aw11, he would've lost a lot of races!
Just kidding!
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Tue, 20 April 2004 01:33
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=AW11 winner!! (bias)
GTstar, if you want an lsd on the aw11, just buy a g-limited sc, they hav lsd stock.
AE86Drift, aw11 is also a corner car, your probably being a little bias to your little baby (arent we all )
P.S.Nice to see a few blue AW11's here!
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Tue, 20 April 2004 02:01
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| ._T_. wrote on Sun, 18 April 2004 12:53 |
having owned both, and now having a very modified aw11 right now, the aw11 is better priced in some ways - handles very well in THE DRY. in the wet an ae86 will kill an aw11.
ae86 easier to do work on - more hot-up "bolt on" parts available.
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I would've thought the AW11 would be faster in the wet since it'd have more weight over the driven wheels.
Just requires more balls to push it to the same level. And bloody fast reflexes for when it lets go.
Having never driven either car, I can't comment, but on paper the AW11 seems to have it all over the Corolla.
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Tue, 20 April 2004 02:37
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Hey John,
How does it go?
Oh, and Nark...........An ae86 is a sprinter, not a corolla
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Tue, 20 April 2004 03:21
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fatmr2,
It goes like an animal, and that was at 9psi and 5000 rpm cut-out. When I pick it up tonight it will have 15psi roughly and approx. 7500 rpm, I've had butterflys in my stomach all day.
Its pretty fast off the mark, but the real power comes higher in the speed range. I clock the 180km/h speedo in the ae86 in 5th gear very easily and very quickly, and thats at 5000 rpm.
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Tue, 20 April 2004 03:49
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| fatmr2 wrote on Tue, 20 April 2004 12:37 |
Oh, and Nark...........An ae86 is a sprinter, not a corolla
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I know an AE86 is a Sprinter.
If I thought it was a FWD Rolla, I never would have made this comment would I?
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I would've thought the AW11 would be faster in the wet since it'd have more weight over the driven wheels.
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I don't think you appreciate my humour yet... hehe
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Tue, 20 April 2004 03:58
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John: That's mad man I would love to do that conversion one day. One at a time, the mr2 isnt finished yet!
I'd love to know how much power you get in the end.
Hell, if your in sydney i'll give you a run when my cars done
Nark: you have a weird sense of humour
It's all good man
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Tue, 20 April 2004 04:09
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Not really... Tell an AE86 driver that his car is just a Corolla...
Then you'll understand...
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Tue, 20 April 2004 04:23
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ooh, john gets his car back today... lookout!! now we have to get tony to fix his gearbox and the showdown can begin. haha!!let us know how it goes dude,
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Tue, 20 April 2004 04:26
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| Nark wrote on Tue, 20 April 2004 14:09 |
Not really... Tell an AE86 driver that his car is just a Corolla...
Then you'll understand...
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You can tell me my car is a corolla, I wouldn't give a stuff.
But I tell you what its one tyre frying corolla
Plus I consider the corolla's one of the best cars on the road, from the KE10's to the new Sportivos.
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Tue, 20 April 2004 04:31
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Hi Paul,
How're they hangin' ?
Tell Tony he needs a Supra box otherwise he'll keep munching those sprinter boxes.
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Tue, 20 April 2004 12:24
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"limited parts and functions? i wouldnt go as far as to say that. Check out www.mroc.com or anywhere else for that matter. Have a look at bens 10 second aw11 for instance."
have a look at jem's blue 11.5 sec sprinter.... its got half the amount of power that they mr2 has and its only 0.9 of a second quicker...
also why did they ae86 get all this popularity from its handling aspects for drift and circuit racing ie initial d, drifters in japan and also in bathurst and circuit racing in australia the ae86 had 28 wins from 28 starts back in the day...
i dont see an aw11 do this....
cheers fella's
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Tue, 20 April 2004 12:31
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I love my MR2
but its everyman to his own really, go out and drive both see what u like
Its the only way, what anyone else says is just an opinion..
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Tue, 20 April 2004 12:37
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| gearb0x wrote on Tue, 20 April 2004 22:31 |
what anyone else says is just an opinion..
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Yup, and they'd be opinions based on each individual's driving style...
Some cars change handling characteristics dramatically as you push more and more.
Might be good at 7/10ths but a dog at anything more than that. And if you're an 8/10ths driver, you may be disappointed after hearing 7/10ths drivers rave on about a certain car.
*cough*WRX*cough*
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Tue, 20 April 2004 12:40
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| SLY16V wrote on Tue, 20 April 2004 22:24 |
also why did they ae86 get all this popularity from its handling aspects for drift and circuit racing ie initial d, drifters in japan and also in bathurst and circuit racing in australia the ae86 had 28 wins from 28 starts back in the day...
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perhaps coz it was only sprinters there since all the other cars raced on the proper day?
it probably does handle fine for a hatch
perhaps the AE86 is popular coz its so full of ricey goodness?
*puts away his stirring spoon*
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Tue, 20 April 2004 17:09
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I think I might have started a war here!
Can any of your aw11 guru's tell me if there are any visual differences (i.e. lights, bumper etc etc) from the earliest aw11 to the last one in 89 ?
I think the ae86 drives great but since i've sold mine, I'm moving on to something different.
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Tue, 20 April 2004 19:10
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I tested both before buying the AE86. In terms of progressive on the limit handling, the AW11 that i drove (a supercharged one with a targa top) was a distant second. I tested the car in the dry and found the rear end to be uncommunicative. It didnt give alot of warning before my panic mode kicked in.
I found that the AW11 did have some poise through the sweeping stuff (close to car dealership in Wangara WA), but i could not feel confident enough (with its rear end progression) to really explore what the car could do with the amount of time i had to drive it.
I think i'd like another go!
Take it easy
James
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Tue, 20 April 2004 22:45
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| GTStar wrote on Wed, 21 April 2004 03:09 |
are any visual differences (i.e. lights, bumper etc etc) from the earliest aw11 to the last one in 89 ?
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here is a small list of changes throughout the years:
http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/Changes.htm
the visual differences i can think of, off hand. the earlier pre -87 ones have a 'flatter' bumper and a small lower lip, they had a flat side engine bay scoop and as far as i know all of the early ones didnt come a rear boot spoiler and no side skirts (and if they did most where black).
heres some pics of a modded early one i fouond quickly on google.
http://www.padandwheels.com/mr2/suspension/intrax/ intrax2.jpg
http://www.padandwheels.com/mr2/suspension/intrax/ intrax1.jpg
while the later ones 87+ have a rounded slightly longer bumper and a bigger/differnet shape lower lip, rear boot spoiler and side skirts (colour matched) etc.
the later s/c models came with much nicer tail lights IMO.
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Thu, 22 April 2004 06:30
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okay this is abit out of topic but
whats the going market value for an `85 jap import AW11 NA in reasonable condition with no rust ?
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Thu, 22 April 2004 07:40
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'85 is pre-update so the suspension is different as well as having no bodykit as such.
may not have power windows as well - in which case i would not spend any more than about $5-6k
T
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Thu, 22 April 2004 13:11
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well the one i was looking at infact had
-power windows
-sunroof
-rear spoiler
-sideskirts
-smaller front lip
and it also had shagged suspension and prob warped brakes, i have yet to check it out, but the paintwork and interior is good prob just needs a clean up oh yea and there's a 'thunk' when turning the steering wheel... could it be a steering tie rod?
how much would someone pay for something like that ?
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Thu, 22 April 2004 13:22
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i like my ae86, never driven an mr2, so i wouldnt know
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Thu, 22 April 2004 14:31
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i was talking to ben the guy who owns that crazy mr2 and he said it has 500hp at the flywheel... doesnt seem like 50kw difference to me
cheers
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Thu, 22 April 2004 14:45
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I got a '87sc jap import about a year and a half ago and paid $6700 (not directly imported, i bought if from the guy who had imported it and had it 8months) for it and its tidy as, i wouldnt even bother goin for the na get an sc it's more fun.
if it has stuffed suspention and warped brakes it its probly only worth 3 or 4 i guess.
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Thu, 22 April 2004 14:48
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500hp @ flywheel. Thats like 370kW! i spoke to him as well, not long ago and he said 257kw@wheels when he ups the boost for dragging. Oh well, i suppose we will never know the real power of his car...
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Fri, 23 April 2004 00:23
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| GTStar wrote on Thu, 22 April 2004 23:28 |
oh yea another question .. are there any advantages buying a post 87 aw11 as compared to buying an `85 ? ?
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The suspension for one...
They minimised the "driving-driving-oh shit!-spin-spin-spin" aspect of the handling...
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Fri, 23 April 2004 00:38
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87s have bigger brakes too
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Fri, 23 April 2004 16:31
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and they just 'feel better'
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Sun, 30 October 2005 12:02
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i have had both,
nothing beats the reliabilty of the 4agze aw11, i gave it to it everyday and nothin went rong.
on the other hand with the turbo ae86 i gave it was AWSOME FUN but when she fucked up she fucked up good! but all in all.
i want another ae86 turbo and im currently looking for a new weekend toy.
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Sun, 30 October 2005 12:57
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| bootheman wrote on Sun, 30 October 2005 23:02 |
i have had both,
nothing beats the reliabilty of the 4agze aw11, i gave it to it everyday and nothin went rong.
on the other hand with the turbo ae86 i gave it was AWSOME FUN but when she fucked up she fucked up good! but all in all.
i want another ae86 turbo and im currently looking for a new weekend toy.
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i taaaake my shovel and i..........
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Sun, 30 October 2005 13:32
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i am confused what is everyones problem with aw11's in the wet i am yet to have a problem they are great fun in the wet
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Sun, 30 October 2005 14:38
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DAMN U guys, now i want aw11.
they look so cool and oldschool. i love it.
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Sun, 30 October 2005 14:42
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oldschool? they were made in the 80's!!!!!!
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