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Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 04:41
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I want to compile a list of ratios available from Australian Market, or available Toyotas equipped with F Series diffs. If you have FIRST HAND knowledge of ratios and their origin, please feel free to speak up. Please also keep the list consice and accurate. Many thanks,
Clint
3.583 - RA65 Celica(F372)
3.583 - RT142 Corona (F372)
3.727 - RA65 Celica (F302)
3.727 - MA61 Supra import(F30?)
3.909 - RA25 Celica Manual (F313)
3.909 - MX13 Mk2 Corona(manual/auto?) (F312),
3.909 - MX23 Mk2 Corona auto(F312),
3.909 - MA46 Supra (manual/auto?) (F312)
3.909 - MA61 Supra manual (F313)LSD
4.10 - MS110 Crown auto (plated as F362, but was F293 in vehicle),
4.10 - MS112 Crown auto (F292),
4.10 - MS123 Crown Auto (F292),
4.10 - MX13 Mk2 Corona (F292),
4.10 - MX73 Cressida auto(F292),
4.10 - MA61 Supra auto(ADM) (F293),
4.10 - GZ10 Soarer auto(F292),
4.10 - MZ10 Soarer auto(F292),
4.30 - GA61 Celica XX manual(F285)LSD
4.30 - MS123 Crown auto(F282)
4.556 - MA63 Supra auto(EDM?) (F252)
4.75 - MS57 Crown auto(F??2 - no build plate fitted)
4.778 - MS110 crown auto(F362)
[Updated on: Fri, 05 November 2004 02:49]
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 05:08
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-Imported MA61's come with 3.73 diffs (F303).
-My GA61 came with T312 (3.9), but I've never seen a GA61 with a 3.73 diff.
-Automatic aus-spec MA61's came with 4.1 LSD (F293)
-If a GA61 with a 4.3 LSD it would definetly be F283 not F285.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 05:09
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Oh and make sure it says Celica XX next to GA61 otherwise people will start looking for weird 1G Celicas! 
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 05:17
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I got a F292 from a MKII Corona.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 05:22
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 19 April 2004 15:08 |
--Automatic aus-spec MA61's came with 4.1 LSD (F293)
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I can confirm that it is the case with my ex-Auto MA61
Cheers
Michael B
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Mon, 19 April 2004 05:57
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| TurboRA28 wrote on Mon, 19 April 2004 13:17 |
I got a F292 from a MKII Corona.
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so that means i have a 4.10 diff ratio so if i got a smaller diff ratio (ie 3.5) would that mean i would get greater top or bottom end speed?
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 06:26
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Greater top speed
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 07:02
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 19 April 2004 13:08 |
If a GA61 with a 4.3 LSD it would definetly be F283 not F285.
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I've wrecked a GA61 many years ago, and am 90% positive it came plated with a F285, will try to find some more info on it?!?
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 07:04
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I was under the assumption Toyota didn't make any 4-pinion factory diffs that early.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 07:15
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I have a 3.9 from a mark 2 corona.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 19 April 2004 13:08
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both my MKII coronas (MX13) had 3.9 diffs, one was manual 4 speed, the other auto...  now i'm confused about the ones with 4.1 diffs being available also.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Tue, 20 April 2004 11:10
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Most of the Crowns have 4.1
4.75 in Ms57 Crowns
I have 3.5 in my wagon from a RA65 F372.
Hope this helps:
Read the Axle Code from the vehicle indentification plate.
first digit: ring gear diameter
A 138mm
B 145mm
C 6.25"
D 6.62"
E 7.1"
F 7.5"
G 8"
H 9"
J 9.25"
K 9.5"
L 10.5"
M 12.5"
N 13.5"
P 14"
Q 12"
R 162mm
S 6.38"
T 6.7"
U 6"
V 10.6"
W 15.5"
X 142mm
Y 158mm
Z 202mm
- no ring gear = FWD
Second, third digits: gear ratio
01 3.30
02 3.36
03 3.545
04 3.556
05 3.70
06 3.889
07 3.90
08 4.111
09 4.222
10 4.375
11 4.444
12 4.625
13 4.79
14 4.875
15 5.125
16 5.286
17 5.60
18 5.714
19 5.833
20 6.167
21 6.667
22 6.78
23 6.833
24 7.64
25 4.556
26 5.571
27 3.364
28 4.30
29 4.10
30 3.727
31 3.909
32 6.591 or 4.807
33 7.503 or 5.583
34 6.781 or 4.786
35 7.636 or 5.60
36 4.778
37 3.583
38 3.417
39 3.154
40 5.375
41 3.308
42 6.500
43 3.550
44 3.214
45 3.533
46 2.928
47 3.944
48 3.356
49 3.729
50 3.400
51 3.736
52 3.722
53 3.250
54 3.941
55 3.333
56 2.821
57 4.058
58 3.238
59 3.234
60 3.519
61 2.724
62 2.892
63 2.655
64 4.312
65 3.837
66 3.071
67 3.526
68 3.095
69 4.176
70 5.857
71 2.962
72 3.949
73 4.285
Fourth digit: no of pinions, ltd slip-yes/no
Code pinions ls
2 2 no
3 2 yes
4 4 no
5 4 yes
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Tue, 20 April 2004 12:19
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Whats the diff code for the 4.75 out of the MS57, Luke?
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Tue, 20 April 2004 13:21
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All auto MX73s have 4.1:1 Non LSD (F292)
I believe the manuals would have had 3.9 or 3.73, but there were none brought to Australia, so forget that.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 10 May 2004 09:30
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ClG I will also Pm this to you I haven't checked its dark outside but the MS57 don't have trans axle codes stamped on them you can pick onas there are a crown wagon that looks ike mine however with a leaf sprung rear end with no dickie seat
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 10 May 2004 09:40
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i pulled a f252 (4.556 non lsd) from an auto ma63 supra (2.0L MTE turbo sohc)
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Tue, 11 May 2004 11:56
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my Mz10 soarer that came with MTEU 2 litre turbo 6 had an f292.. i beleive thats the same for my gz10 with 1g geu 2 litre 6
both were auto
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 12 May 2004 04:07
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post cleaned up - please remain on topic - this will be used as a FAQ
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 12 May 2004 23:33
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confirmed... diff on my gz10 1g geu is an F292 same as my mz10 soarer
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 09 June 2004 02:36
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MS123 Crown comes with a 4.3 ratio accoding to bbaacchhyy's long winded thread on 5 stud conversions too!
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 09 June 2004 02:47
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MX23 MkII Corona - F312 (auto)
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 09 June 2004 02:57
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| CLG wrote on Wed, 09 June 2004 12:36 |
MS123 Crown comes with a 4.3 ratio accoding to bbaacchhyy's long winded thread on 5 stud conversions too!
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Who are you calling long winded ??????
Yep Clint, you have deciphered and digested well !!!!
Cheers
MB
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 09 June 2004 04:33
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| CLG wrote on Mon, 19 April 2004 14:41 |
3.583 - RA65 Celica(F372)
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The RT142 Corona has the same diff.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Sun, 15 August 2004 07:56
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what about the ae86 jdms?
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Sun, 15 August 2004 08:53
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Nope, they JDM AE85/86's were only equipped with a S or T Series diff.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 16 August 2004 05:45
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Ok that the ratios , but are all the housings , bearing etc all the same ? Is there a long / short nose carrier difference are are they all the same length externally . Are all ten nut / bolt housings . Is there any markings on the crown wheel / pinion to say what the gearing is ie:12/49 etc .
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 16 August 2004 13:31
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ok, just to throw a curve ball, many years ago {20}I brought a disc brake rear end for a rally car and it was supposed to out of a RA28 GT.It uses 7,5" crown wheel and pinion and all the spares i needed came from mk11 coronas except wheel bearings as they where then deemed enourmous.After ditching the shell and keeping the diff I have found out that the disc's are the same as AE86 as are the wheel bearings and the calipers are similar to AE86 however the axles look like 9" ford they are that large.
As i am travelling thru Europe at the moment and the diff is stored in a 40 container I have no way of helping with this puzzle by confirming anything, however the diff housing has now been converted to AE86 and I believe that the original housing may have fitted an AE86 with no trouble, I cut the original brackets off to fit KE35 with 2TG,when the housing was measured for fitment to AE86 it was within 4mm of T series housing width.
handbrake cable attachment to caliper from what I can remember are the same as AE86.I have fitted TRD lsd and 4.777:1 ratio to it.
Peter
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 16 August 2004 13:41
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saw a ra65 at a wrecker with a F302 the other day. it was missing but thats what was on the build plate.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 16 August 2004 14:06
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squeak,
The RA28 GT did have an F series (7.5inch) rear end, optionally fitted with an LSD. And, as the RA23/28 and AE86 have similar rear track dimensions, that length axle will always fit a AE86. After all, Aus spec RA23/28 and Sprinter all had T series rear ends.
Mitch.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 16 August 2004 22:06
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Hi,
My car has an LSD F-series diff. The build plate numbers are
"5F2.F313".
seeyuzz
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Thu, 09 September 2004 02:51
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Edited and updated, any more??? Please note I'm only concerned with F Series diffs, none other, and would prefer FIRST HAND knowledge for accuracy? If you have recollections or are uncertain, please PM me (don't post), I'll put it in the first post for consideration and we'll try to work out if it's fact or fiction?!
Clint
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Thu, 09 September 2004 04:07
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 19 April 2004 13:08 |
If a GA61 with a 4.3 LSD it would definetly be F283 not F285.
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I can confirm that I've had a GA61 XX Celica (import with 1GGE and lacked flares), with a F285 diff code.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Fri, 05 November 2004 02:52
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OK, next question:
Can IRS ratios be used in Live axle centres, and vice versa - ie, are they the same size when considering the pinion gear length???
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Fri, 05 November 2004 06:28
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yes they are the same
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Fri, 05 November 2004 06:31
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and just to throw a spanner in the works only RA40 series celicas had the 1st disc brake rear end and also the T18 macho machine and that was in 79 all the others were drum brakes
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Mon, 08 November 2004 02:11
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You are talking overseas / JDM models here, correct ? The RA40GT and the TE71 Levin/Sprinter/Trueno (delete what ever is not applicable.)
The RA28 GT (with or without LSD) F series rear end was drum braked.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Tue, 09 November 2004 07:44
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Have a mate who works in spares at toyota.
Corona RT142 IRS Auto 3.4, Manual 3.7
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Tue, 16 November 2004 11:44
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Yo, im reading that the RA65 celica has a F372 diff, or possibly an F302 ?? i keep hearing that the MA61 LSD will fit the celica, but will both the F313 and the F283 fit ? or will more/most/all the F series diffs fit ???? just needed to know, as i read heaps about F and G series lsd diffs, but most of the time they dont have codes so i kind of thought they might all be interchangeable with in the same series.. correct ?
peace yall
wez
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 17 November 2004 00:10
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All F series diffs are interchangeable. You can put an MA61 LSD in a Celica IF the Celica has an F series diff to begin with (eg RA65).
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 13 April 2005 05:00
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I dont suppose theres any1 here with knowledge of later model diffs, ..
Jzx90 MarkII 1jz-gte, Non-LSD .... trying to find out what diff's are compatible and would bolt straight up.
Soarer is apparently same (Jzz30) but Jza70 Supra is not apparently.
Does any1 have info on the diffs for these cars?
Br0k3n
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Wed, 13 April 2005 06:02
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A JXZ90 will likely have an A series diff, same as JZZ30 and NA JZA80. JZA70 has a G series diff, as do all MkIII Supra's.
I've heard the A series (new coding scheme) is the same as the G series (old coding scheme) but I don't know anyone who has confirmed this first-hand.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 13 April 2005 06:51
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I can confirm this, as a mate of mine took an A series LSD from his JZZ30 soarer as it was rather worn and replaced the centre with a normal Clutch LSD from an MA70, it fit straight in
obviously the casings are different
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 13 April 2005 10:23
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MS85 crowns have F082's(4.11)
most corona mark 2's have an F312(3.91), with the exception of the early shape models.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Wed, 13 April 2005 16:39
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Do a MS55 have a F-Diff? cant find any id-plate.
Is it possible to put a F-diff in a E-house if you change the size of the bearings and washer? or is the crownwheel simply to big for the housing?
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Thu, 14 April 2005 09:59
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So ok..
question i have is ... the stock diff is an open one, as it spins one wheel on corners.
Without going over the top, what G series cars came with LSD's.
Obviously the manual Soarers Jzz30's do, but finding one of those factory is rare.
What G-series car stock come with lsd's etc....
Br0k3n
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Thu, 14 April 2005 10:01
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And...
Does the Factory LSD centre from that diff, fit into my open diff and make it LSD ?
I heard LSD factory diff's had different shaft lengths, where open wheel diff's had equal length ones.
Br0k3n
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Thu, 14 April 2005 10:06
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| Br0k3n wrote on Thu, 14 April 2005 19:59 |
Without going over the top, what G series cars came with LSD's.
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Mk3 Supra and later model Hilux's are the most common source.
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Does the Factory LSD centre from that diff, fit into my open diff and make it LSD ?
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Yes.
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I heard LSD factory diff's had different shaft lengths, where open wheel diff's had equal length ones.
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"LSD" only applies to the diff centre, that's the only part that changes. There are no shafts in a diff centre.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Thu, 14 April 2005 10:37
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Hilux's ?
Fark. OK what model hilux ... got a pic of the actual car? 
When u say Soarers and supras come with them stock, yes I know they do, but not all did ... how can u tell without cracking them open ?
Br0k3n
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Thu, 14 April 2005 10:42
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The secret is to look at the build plate, which is usually rivetted to the firewall under the bonnet. If the axle code ends with a 3, 5 or 9, it came with an LSD from the factory.
All Hilux's have a G series rear diff, and LSD has been optional for at least a couple of decades. There's no way to spot which ones have an LSD fitted without checking the build plate.
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Thu, 14 April 2005 11:04
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Guess Im going Hi-lux hunting
hahaha
Thanks for ur help guys ...
Br0k3n
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Thu, 14 April 2005 13:15
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| Br0k3n wrote on Thu, 14 April 2005 20:34 |
Guess Im going Hi-lux hunting
hahaha
Thanks for ur help guys ...
Br0k3n
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it will be easier to find an MA70 lsd...
trust me, i looked 
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Thu, 14 April 2005 15:23
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Ok,
Im not so good with all these model codes...
MA70 ... supra?
Br0k3n
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Thu, 14 April 2005 16:02
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| Br0k3n wrote on Thu, 14 April 2005 23:23 |
MA70 ... supra?
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Correct
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Fri, 15 April 2005 07:23
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Ok,
Went out and checked plate of the car,
Its got Trans/Axle code of A340E A010
So whats it got in it ...
Br0k3n
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Fri, 15 April 2005 13:06
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no, johnny. the housings are different sizes sorry, tried it already. if you were were a good machinist or wanted to pay lots of money, you could make it fit, otherwise change the whole diff.
what do you want a diff change for? If you haven't already, then test the diff you have first. there's no point changing the diff if it doesn't need to be, coz all your doing is adding un-necessary rotating mass to your driveline as well as sprung weight to your suspension, which hurts your power and handling.
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Mon, 25 April 2005 22:39
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| joecoolmk2 wrote on Fri, 15 April 2005 15:06 |
no, johnny. the housings are different sizes sorry, tried it already. if you were were a good machinist or wanted to pay lots of money, you could make it fit, otherwise change the whole diff.
what do you want a diff change for? If you haven't already, then test the diff you have first. there's no point changing the diff if it doesn't need to be, coz all your doing is adding un-necessary rotating mass to your driveline as well as sprung weight to your suspension, which hurts your power and handling.
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The E-diff wasn't for the MS55, it's for my TA47 with 3T-GTE.
I think i will go for a MA61 rear end if i dont find anything better.(some other YR2* that not have this E-serie diff
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Location:
Rosanna, Melb
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Fri, 22 July 2005 01:51
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Just checked last night. 89 Tarago auto (top end, with the 4YE) is fitted with an F282. Live axle with drums.
Hello 4.3 ratio for the sprinter.
Hen
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Toyota F Series Diff Ratio Availability
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Fri, 22 July 2005 02:39
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Did you measure the width?
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