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can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Tue, 20 April 2004 09:47
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I recently found out that the engineers dont approve a 2jz in a ta22. The guy from wetheral park celica spares told me what the engineers told him that which was you multiply your vehicle weight 3 times and thats the amount of litres maximum your car can have as an engin. He also said that if its turbo, engineers classify it as another litre. I was told this regulation came in about 2 years ago.
His project of putting a V8 in his celica had been put to rest by +/-75 kilos can u believe that. Poor guy was spewin hard. (so was i when i heard the news)
(eg: my 74 ta22 = 900 to 1000 kilos multiplied by 3 = 3000 kilos or simlply 3 litres
1.0 X 3 = 3.0 3litre
nonturbo 2jz = 3.0 litre,
turbo 2jz = 4.0 litre (turbo is an extra 1.0 litre, don't know about twin turbo -->5.0 litre????)
this has shattered my project of the TA22JGTE twin turbo aka CELUPRA
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Tue, 20 April 2004 10:00
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turbo does NOT add another litre - turbo changes the multiplication factor
and no, you will not register a 2jz-gte in a car under 1000kgs
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2003
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Tue, 20 April 2004 10:38
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You will also not fit a 2JZ into a TA22 
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Tue, 20 April 2004 22:37
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O..M..G..
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Tue, 20 April 2004 23:13
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Length of 2JZ:
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Length of TA22:
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hehehe
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Northwestern Sydney
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August 2002
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Tue, 20 April 2004 23:14
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| Nark wrote on Wed, 21 April 2004 09:13 |
Length of 2JZ:
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hehehe
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 00:21
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just cut out the firewll..... let it rtun into the fronts seats and convert it to drive from back seats..
so then how do people engineer 1uz fe's in their ma61s?
1200x3 only equals 3600
or they are 1300 at heaviest.. so 3900...
then again.. it depends what engineer you have.. or if u dont engineer it at all
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March 2004
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 01:55
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its been done before, a 2jz does fit in by moving the firewall back and removing the heater blower. duz any one know of an orange celica that was in hot4's which had a 2jz?
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 02:41
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jag - the displacement:weight rules change once your car weighs over 1100kgs (or maybe it's 1000 - I cant rmemeber)
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Parramatta
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July 2002
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 02:50
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just for intrest sake..
in the latest speed there is an mx5 with a 2jz it it.... and wiat for it its ..... road reagistered
in qld though hmmmmm i didnt think qld's laws were that much different if they are then lets do ridiculas conversions like the 2jz in the ta22 and then register it in qld.
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 05:34
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| MR. 2 wrote on Wed, 21 April 2004 12:50 |
just for intrest sake..
in the latest speed there is an mx5 with a 2jz it it.... and wiat for it its ..... road reagistered
in qld though hmmmmm i didnt think qld's laws were that much different if they are then lets do ridiculas conversions like the 2jz in the ta22 and then register it in qld.
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2jz in a mini moke.... somehow.
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June 2003
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 08:47
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this may be a dumb question but how much bigger is the 2J over the 1J?
one of my mates just bought a ta22 with a 1J...didnt have any hassles with the transport dept
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 09:04
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Just to fuck yous all up, Gabba turbos had a TA22 there a while ago with a 2J fitted. Road registered and all 
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 09:29
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| MR. 2 wrote on Wed, 21 April 2004 12:50 |
just for intrest sake..
in the latest speed there is an mx5 with a 2jz it it.... and wiat for it its ..... road reagistered
in qld though hmmmmm i didnt think qld's laws were that much different if they are then lets do ridiculas conversions like the 2jz in the ta22 and then register it in qld.
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that is an ICV, it was tube frame and all
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 09:52
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| NickAE86 wrote on Wed, 21 April 2004 16:47 |
this may be a dumb question but how much bigger is the 2J over the 1J?
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Its the same length but a bit taller.
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 10:17
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Just about anything can be done with the right amount of $$$, insight and invention, as well as knowing the right people..
2jz in a ta22 - now I'd looove to see that! (straight line WARRIOR!)
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 23:22
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| NickAE86 wrote on Wed, 21 April 2004 18:47 |
one of my mates just bought a ta22 with a 1J...didnt have any hassles with the transport dept
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Are you sure it was a TA22 and not a TA23/RA23? The former requires major surgery (ie hassles with transport dept) while the latter just squeezes in.
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 21 April 2004 23:31
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ok we have established that with enough money and thought u can shoehorn any engine into any chassis.
BUT, i feel the crux of the matter is; if you have to ask a question like this, you shouldnt be embarking on a project like this.
for the simple fact that anyone with the facilities to do this project (ie experience, skills and money) would not have to ask this question, they would just do it.
harsh but true.
no offense to anyone by the way.
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 00:27
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Engine conversions are easy. You just buy the car, buy the engine, and weld up some mounts... right?
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 01:11
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And they generally cost fuck all too.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 01:27
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You forgot:
+ 1 afternoon
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June 2003
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 02:05
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Its the same length but a bit taller
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thanks frank 
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Are you sure it was a TA22 and not a TA23/RA23? The former requires major surgery (ie hassles with transport dept) while the latter just squeezes in.
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100% positive...had a look at the plates on the firewall. You may even know it norbie...it was bought from over capalaba way with the conversion already done. It's painted a pinky pearl and has a bright white leather interior...single ct26 highflowed to get 275rwhp. I dont know too much more about it unfortuneately...i've forgotten already...has been a few weeks 
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 02:47
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So is the car engineered? If so how? A 1JZ-GTE into a TA22 violates the 2.5x rule, so either someone's gone to a LOT of effort to get it engineered or there's something dodgy going on!
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 02:53
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yep, engineered & road registered.
I'll get some more particulars when i see him next. What would you have to do to make it legal?
it wouldnt surprise me if it was dodgy....it's apparently been through half a dozen owners in as many months
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 08:12
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| Norbie wrote on Thu, 22 April 2004 12:47 |
So is the car engineered? If so how?
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Exactly the same as AC Cobras kit cars. Some of these cars weigh less than a TA22 and have 351's fitted
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 09:40
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Exactly what I thought. Not cheap and definitely not hassle-free as suggested!
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 09:44
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Hell no its not easy. Getting the engine in or getting it roadworthy
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 13:39
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Its simple get it engineered with a 2l turbo in it the take your papers home scan them on to your computer and change what is needed to go with your car and no one is the wiser not even the police
P.S I am speeking from experiance
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 22 April 2004 22:01
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sorry to rain on yourparade, but what if you are involved in an accident where you are at fault? You'dmost likely get investigated and reamed 
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 28 April 2004 05:58
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why bother? with the whole 2jze anyway,you can get the same power out of a 3sgte without the hassles...and look how easy it is to get a 1ggteu into the 10s stick on a to4 some other standard mods,custom throttle body big injectors computer and your away...might aswell just bolt in a jet engine...
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 28 April 2004 12:06
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It is SO easy to get the 1ggte into the 10's, that everyone does it.
It's right up there with cost of front cut + $200 dollars for plugs and oil + 2 friends and one afternoon. Bolt on T04 (whatever that means) and run 10's - shit just up the boost to 50 or 60 PSI and run 9's at will, then get tyres to lower the 60' times down to about 2 mins (twice the engine life) for much improved 1/4mile times, add intercooler and read many magazines and watch the times tumble.
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 28 April 2004 12:29
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rofl jason 
I like the "standard mods"
I guess those standard mods include forgies, few grand worth of computer, few grand worth of tuning, few grand on ic & plumbing, grand on the inlet plenum, few hundred to get a throttle body to suit and attached to the custom plenum.
and that's without looking at the head, cams, valves, exhaust, fuel, ignition
ps - there's a reason people get excited when a 1g runs a 10 - it's bloody difficult/expensive to do to do!
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Wed, 28 April 2004 13:22
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I have seen that Celica Nick is speaking of, but I couldn't tell a TA22 from a TA23/RA23 in a screaming fit. Also don't remember if it was mod plated or not. Saw it at the drags - in fact remember telling you about it - has a custom manifold rather than the bodgy thing I've got... ran something like 112mph but I don't remember being impressed with the actual ETs as it wheelspun a fair bit.
Didn't really look much, but I'm relatively sure it's running an aftermarket ECU - for some reason I remember coil packs mounted in the engine bay??? Wish now I'd had a closer look!
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 29 April 2004 00:29
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if ur cars weight is under 1100kg u times the weight of ur car by 3 for n/a and 2.5 for forced induction. a ta22 weighs 960kg so there for u can put a 2400cc or 2.4L turbo, or a 2880cc/2.9L n/a motor in it. now i know that some engineers will give a little in terms to engine capacity but with the cost of extensive upgrades and modifications having to be met like brakes body re-inforcement etc.
A 1j or 2j would be awesome in a ta22 but u have to think wat the car is going to be used for. if only for the 1/4 mile then no worries but if u wanna go around a corner then u are going to be greatly disappointed. too much weight out the front and most of it will be over hanging the strut towers. u can get a ta22 with a 12a turbo runing in the low 11z maybe high 10z with half the money u would spend on a 1j/2j conversion. if u dont like rotor then go for a four banger like a 3s, sr20, 4a etc. spend some good money and you will have a power to weight that will match a 1j/2j conversion. sorry about the babble but i have previously looked into this EXTENSIVELY
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Fri, 30 April 2004 08:30
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If you car was over 1100kg or fitted with a 6cyl from factory then the multiplier increases substantially
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Mon, 03 May 2004 11:14
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I think 'Somewhere' there is one or something even bigger ...I saw a TA22 wreck at the $2 shop about 18 mths ago with the firewall cut and boxed and it was very obvious that something huge had been in there by the look of the work done and the remains of the dual exhaust system...the Body number had been very carefully hacked out of the car and all the manufacturers plates were gone as well...I suspect the wreck may have been "engineered" a long time ago but rust had got the better of it in a big way and it was going to be reborn with the old numbers but in another body shell ..At least one other suspected the same thing but the wreck was gone in a very few weeks and it was never persued as to where it had come from..
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April 2004
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Re: can't put a 2JZ in a ta22
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Thu, 06 May 2004 03:37
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Its been done before there was a story some time back in hot fours...as for standard mods,thats exactly what i meant,forgies,custom manifolds etc,,,at the end of the day i dont really give a fork..why you would go to the hassle of fabricating a completly new firewall to shoehorn in an engine that will make the car completely unusable in anything other than a straight line has got me stuffed...especiallly when there are already proven methods using other engines for drag setups in this car.....
Im not going to go into the whole detail of how to get a 1g into the tens mainly cause i have never done it,,my whole point is why bother with a 2jz,when there are so many other options out there?
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