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Re: Manual car Launching techniques(especially mk2 1jz people)
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| Jag7799 wrote on Wed, 05 May 2004 18:53 |
and whats the difference between dumping the cluch and slipping the clutch?
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about 50m of wheelspin 
sorry i cant help you on this one... the ol 7m has more torque than youd be playing with, so things would be a little different. im not sure how well the 1jz's build boost either.
either way, dumping the clutch ISNT the go, it shock loads everything, kills diffs, and wheelspins to xmas
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Wed, 05 May 2004 09:34
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Wed, 05 May 2004 17:24 |
sorry i cant help you on this one... the ol 7m has more torque than youd be playing with, so things would be a little different. im not sure how well the 1jz's build boost either.
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I think there are plenty of people who would disagree with you Ed...he may not have the same response, but he is going to cream you in torque the moment they start spooling which will be basically off the line on a good launch.
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Wed, 05 May 2004 09:42
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1jz gte have 370nm @ 4800 rpm stock...
mine will have bigger exhaust.. 600x300x76 cooler and an enclosed pod filter... when i get it back
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Wed, 05 May 2004 09:44
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 im just fishing for a shitstir
slipping the clutch? cant really explain it, more of a 'feel' thing... you just dont want to bring the clutch on all in one go, but let it 'slip' (pedal half depressed) while the car gets going, balancing the power delivery against uncontrolled wheelspin.
dumping the clutch is a great way of just sitting there in a cloud of noise and smoke.
but yeah, as nathan suggested, it depends on how well you launch, and how well/quickly your 1jz builds boost...
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Wed, 05 May 2004 09:47
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Slipping a clutch is an easy thing to explain, you begin to take ur foot off and the engine tries to move against it, it can't full engage so your car doesn't transmit all its power to the wheels, but is building revs and boost against the clutch 
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Wed, 05 May 2004 09:50
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generally I let the clutch slip till boost is being made (5psi or so, but the exact amount isn't important).
Once you're making boost, you want to let the clutch out the rest of the way smoothly but swiftly - otherwise your clutch will fry (I've done this before - not a good smell).
Equally, you can't just drop the clutch once you're on boost, or you're in wheelspin city.
Also remember that in a 1jz mk2 supra, you can forget about using full throttle in first gear - that's instant wheel spin - so you gotta learn that drag racing doesn't mean foot to the floor
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Wed, 05 May 2004 10:02
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i put $10 on a slipping clutch in 2 months
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Wed, 05 May 2004 10:05
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| draven wrote on Wed, 05 May 2004 19:50 |
generally I let the clutch slip till boost is being made (5psi or so, but the exact amount isn't important).
Once you're making boost, you want to let the clutch out the rest of the way smoothly but swiftly - otherwise your clutch will fry (I've done this before - not a good smell).
Equally, you can't just drop the clutch once you're on boost, or you're in wheelspin city.
Also remember that in a 1jz mk2 supra, you can forget about using full throttle in first gear - that's instant wheel spin - so you gotta learn that drag racing doesn't mean foot to the floor
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thats gonna be hard to do.. if u dont put foot to floor in my 1g geu.. u dont move.... slow pos lol
ok so just ease until i feel it grabbing and then lift the foot out at same rate at decent pace and its all good?
As for wheel spin in 1st.. does that means if ur travelling at say 30 and you plant it.. it will start wheel spinning?
how does taking off normally and planting form there go in a drag ?
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Wed, 05 May 2004 10:09
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lol shutup.., i wanted heavy duty clutch but none were available.. so i got std clutch.. are they a fairly stout thing?
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Wed, 05 May 2004 10:21
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STD what clutch?
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Wed, 05 May 2004 10:31
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what sort of pressure is there on your clutch?
and yes, if you're happily cruising at 30 in 1st and you floor it, you smoke up the rears.
you just wait for wet weather - 1st thru 4th, full throttle spins the rears.
best bet for a clutch is to go to a clutch specialist place and tell them what you have. if you say "I've got an ma61, w58 gbox and a 2.5 turbo with over 200kw" they'll find something to suit you
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Wed, 05 May 2004 10:32
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Tell them you also drive like a psychopath but need to drive it every day, if they are any good they'd come up with something drivable that'd take some punishment.
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Wed, 05 May 2004 10:41
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i have an r154 box 
i think ill just run the std one till i fuck it up and then ill go to yyour clutch specialists and say that .. get my uncle to put it in for free...
i have no idea on the pressure.. i just got the guy who is doing the conversion to do it all for me(he owns a jza70) so he should have a decent idea.
I wont be slipping it often.. not even often enough to say on the odd occasion.. there generally wont be any need to...
other than willowbank in a few weeks which i might need too..
is it an absolute bitch to drive in wet weather?....
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Wed, 05 May 2004 11:47
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it's fine to drive in wet weather - just remember you're driving a light car with a powerful engine. As a result, you treat it gently in the wet, and generally try and avoid boost
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Wed, 05 May 2004 11:52
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yes. i think i just wont drive in the rain for a few months
too shit scared
what clutches are you all running?
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Wed, 05 May 2004 12:46
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full faced organic clutch, heavy duty
when I wear this one out, I'm prolly going to go a 5-puck ceramic, or possibly just a heavier full-face
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Wed, 05 May 2004 13:03
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i actually have no idea what my clutch is
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Wed, 05 May 2004 13:37
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Everything will become a lot clearer when you actually get your car back johal, maybe next time we head over to the workshop i can demonstrate/tuturial different ways to launch my car? Should give you a fair idea.
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Wed, 05 May 2004 13:42
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i know.. im starting to get really anxious.. i want it back now .. not sure what day im picking it up... but ill let you know so yours can get engineered.. ill ring ant in the morning
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Wed, 05 May 2004 14:35
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so you will have about 2 weeks to relearn how to drive a manual and perfect your launch! I can't wait!
Nah mate, you know I'm teasing Should be fun.
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Wed, 05 May 2004 22:35
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ive already got my plan of attack for you... im gonna break both ya legs and let down ur tyres prior to our drag lol
yes 2 weeks to learn.. haha i bet i bunny hop it at willowbank
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Wed, 05 May 2004 23:01
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If you drop the clutch in 2nd off the line it'll still spin the wheels for 50m up the road. I was mucking around with a honda civic driver (glowing badges, cannon exhaust u know the type) and he said "launch in 2nd man, give me a chance". So I did and ripped straight past him with the wheels spinning  . But thats with a 4.3:1 LSD in an ma70
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Wed, 05 May 2004 23:11
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go teh single spinner lol
im hopefully gonna have enough for a true trak.. if not.. ill just hunt around for an ma61 diff
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Wed, 05 May 2004 23:30
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| draven wrote on Wed, 05 May 2004 18:31 |
what sort of pressure is there on your clutch?
and yes, if you're happily cruising at 30 in 1st and you floor it, you smoke up the rears.
you just wait for wet weather - 1st thru 4th, full throttle spins the rears.
best bet for a clutch is to go to a clutch specialist place and tell them what you have. if you say "I've got an ma61, w58 gbox and a 2.5 turbo with over 200kw" they'll find something to suit you
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Not totally true, I went to a clutch expert and said "Ive got a LJ71, 1750kg dry, R151 gbox and a 2.5 turbo with about 300kw" They found something that lasted the grand total of 400 km.
Draven mine was a full faced organic, new one is ceramic with about 10 friction pads on it, so not full face. My pressure plate is also been modded for more clamping force. Hopefully Ill get it back this week, then I can go down the drags and kill another clutch
Oh yeah with 2wd engaged (open diff), revving to 6000 rpm and dumping the clutch did not cause any wheelspin in my 4B, probably cause the tyres are so big and the clutch was already slipping real bad, cant wait to see how the new one goes.
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Wed, 05 May 2004 23:39
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| Skip wrote on Thu, 06 May 2004 09:30 |
| draven wrote on Wed, 05 May 2004 18:31 |
what sort of pressure is there on your clutch?
and yes, if you're happily cruising at 30 in 1st and you floor it, you smoke up the rears.
you just wait for wet weather - 1st thru 4th, full throttle spins the rears.
best bet for a clutch is to go to a clutch specialist place and tell them what you have. if you say "I've got an ma61, w58 gbox and a 2.5 turbo with over 200kw" they'll find something to suit you
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Not totally true, I went to a clutch expert and said "Ive got a LJ71, 1750kg dry, R151 gbox and a 2.5 turbo with about 300kw" They found something that lasted the grand total of 400 km.
Draven mine was a full faced organic, new one is ceramic with about 10 friction pads on it, so not full face. My pressure plate is also been modded for more clamping force. Hopefully Ill get it back this week, then I can go down the drags and kill another clutch
Oh yeah with 2wd engaged (open diff), revving to 6000 rpm and dumping the clutch did not cause any wheelspin in my 4B, probably cause the tyres are so big and the clutch was already slipping real bad, cant wait to see how the new one goes.
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that things 1750 kg? weird
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Wed, 05 May 2004 23:45
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When you have things like a front diff the size of a Hilux rear (?) then the weight starts to add up
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Thu, 06 May 2004 00:32
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I always slip the clutch, but that's 'coz I have a T-series rear end...
There's no way you'll full throttle in 1st without shitloads of wheelspin.
And a harsh change into 2nd or 3rd will see wheelspin too.
How many revs depends on a lot of things like your ratios and your tyres, so don't ask about them. Just get in the car and experiment.
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Thu, 06 May 2004 00:45
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car has been delayed for atleast another week.. maybe week and a half...
was hoping to get it tomorrow
will give me a grand total of just over a week to practise for willowbank.
i want it soo badly lol
ill be driving the car for hours when i get it back.. just practising
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Thu, 06 May 2004 01:39
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 06 May 2004 07:45 |
When you have things like a front diff the size of a Hilux rear (?) then the weight starts to add up
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Hilux front and rear, full chassis and a landcruiser (not hilux) transfer case that weighs a shitload more than the R151. They didnt have performance in mind when they built it, I did but
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Thu, 06 May 2004 02:17
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Pfft...pussies. 6,000rpm and sidestep the clutch. Guaranteed to work every time.
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Thu, 06 May 2004 02:46
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That works if you're driving a shopping cart.
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Thu, 06 May 2004 03:54
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| Ozzie wrote on Thu, 06 May 2004 12:17 |
Pfft...pussies. 6,000rpm and sidestep the clutch. Guaranteed to work every time.
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LOL. I tried doing that at 3000 and just sat in one place till halfway through 2nd. 
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Thu, 06 May 2004 06:48
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| Skip wrote on Thu, 06 May 2004 09:39 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Thu, 06 May 2004 07:45 |
When you have things like a front diff the size of a Hilux rear (?) then the weight starts to add up
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Hilux front and rear, full chassis and a landcruiser (not hilux) transfer case that weighs a shitload more than the R151. They didnt have performance in mind when they built it, I did but
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Thought the rear was a Cruiser?
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Thu, 06 May 2004 08:23
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Nah 8" G series front and rear, however the front is a high pinion diff, which is only found in Bundys and Series 80 landies. Landcruiser transfer case though, not the weak little hilux one
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Thu, 06 May 2004 09:24
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 Just dump the clutch at big rpms and go for it!!!!!!a little side ways then straight then whaooooooo !!! but don't ask me I only race sometimes
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Thu, 06 May 2004 11:47
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non lsd doesent mean a little sideways lol
plus... im not gonna kill my car for 1 drag race
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Thu, 06 May 2004 13:40
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hrm
non-lsd
1200kg car
200+kw
you may want to watch the throttle in 2nd as well - with no lsd, I bet you'd light up your tyres in 2nd too
what sort of diff is it, to be non-lsd?
cheapo ra65 replacement?
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Thu, 06 May 2004 14:35
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His car never came with an LSD.
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Fri, 07 May 2004 11:24
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both my soarers are non lsd F series
both didnt come with them
even though the one the engine is going into was a turbo model from factory it still didnt receive a bloody lsd!...
looks like im in on the group buy for a true trak one so if i can arrange the funds it should only be a month or two before i can actually drive my car.
I think when i get the car back ill only have 170rwkw or so.. huge cooler but 2.5 inch exhaust atm.. enclosed pod and hoping it doesent go into limp mode.
Id even take someones ma61 lsd atm.. i was looking for one of them but couldnt find one anywhere
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Fri, 07 May 2004 13:11
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when we go to the drags, drive there with the 17's on and the 14's in the back, put 20 psi in the rears, and just drop it in 1st, snap 2nd, and see if u can keep them smoking till the whole 1/4 mile
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Fri, 07 May 2004 13:21
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i bet my car would brake something
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Fri, 07 May 2004 13:43
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There's only one way to find out!
.. well that's called R & D!
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Fri, 07 May 2004 13:58
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yes.. research on net 1st.. so i dont go blowing my car up
id drive it.. but its been delayed... so not much chance of that
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Fri, 07 May 2004 14:05
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| Mr DOHC wrote on Fri, 07 May 2004 23:11 |
when we go to the drags, drive there with the 17's on and the 14's in the back, put 20 psi in the rears, and just drop it in 1st, snap 2nd, and see if u can keep them smoking till the whole 1/4 mile
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Don't think that would be hard considering it has a single spinner.
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Fri, 07 May 2004 14:18
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i want lsd now 
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Fri, 07 May 2004 14:20
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I think it would be a good idea, not only for performance but for safety too.
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Fri, 07 May 2004 14:24
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| Jag7799 wrote on Fri, 07 May 2004 20:54 |
both my I think when i get the car back ill only have 170rwkw or so.. huge cooler but 2.5 inch exhaust atm.. enclosed pod and hoping it doesent go into limp mode.
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Why do you think it'll go into limp mode? Are you running a manual trans with an auto ECU? AFAIK there now exists a wealth of info regarding what speed sensor/inputs are different between auto and manual ECU's, and how to run an auto ECU on a manual 1jz. You shouldn't run in limp mmode at all if the engine was wired up properly.
2.5 inch exhuast is OK - my car has 150rwkw with 2.5 inch exhaust (inc std NA 7m cat!), stock (10,000 kms old) air-filter and stock (9 psi) boost, running awfully rich. This sort of power in a car that weighs significantly less than an ma70 will be enough (at first anyway!!). Danish is around the 180rwkw mark with more boost and a microtech.
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Fri, 07 May 2004 14:36
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People keep saying about limp mode... i personally dont think it will as people have told me if its wired right it shouldnt.. yes, im running a soarer auto ecu with an r154 box atm.
if it does go into limp mode.. ill be staight onto that information, beleive me
yes, will be heaps of power at 1st and ill love it.
What im planning to have when i get it back is:
600x300x76 intercooler with 3 inch piping to and from it.
pod filter thats enclosed and has a CAI setup running to it.
2.5 inch mandrel from dumps back(not sure about cat)
and then within a few weeks get a celicamad boost controller going and hoping for around the 170rwkw mark
do you all reckon thats acheivable with that setup and how many kw do u think id lose for 2.5 to 3 inch exhaust?
microtech is near the end of the year
and danish is also running a 1g gte cooler!
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Fri, 07 May 2004 15:30
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if you guys want a car thats hard to launch try FWD!
AE82 weighing in at 980Kg with 4AGZE with 20V non lsd gearbox and 7Kg flywheel 4 puck ceramic clutchwith modded pressure plate for uber clamping but driveable (short gearbox and flywheel 2Kg lighter than stock)no dyno figures yet but i will soon. its got 3 modes in which you drive it -
1- gently till 3rd gear
2- wheelspin till 4th gear
3- axle tramp like a cheap motels vibrating bed!
either way its slow to get of the line
gotta sort it out i keep getting slaughtered off the line anyone have any ideas?
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Fri, 07 May 2004 22:31
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| Shraka wrote on Sat, 08 May 2004 00:20 |
I think it would be a good idea, not only for performance but for safety too.
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what do you mean by this? I had a single spinner in my 1jz corona and it was very easy to control, if it started spinning it would just keep spinning unless i let off, but it would always go in a straight line.
With the current LSD, it feels much 'squirmier' but it seems to get traction a little earlier.
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Fri, 07 May 2004 22:32
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| Alainve wrote on Sat, 08 May 2004 01:30 |
if you guys want a car thats hard to launch try FWD!
AE82 weighing in at 980Kg with 4AGZE with 20V non lsd gearbox and 7Kg flywheel 4 puck ceramic clutchwith modded pressure plate for uber clamping but driveable (short gearbox and flywheel 2Kg lighter than stock)no dyno figures yet but i will soon. its got 3 modes in which you drive it -
1- gently till 3rd gear
2- wheelspin till 4th gear
3- axle tramp like a cheap motels vibrating bed!
either way its slow to get of the line
gotta sort it out i keep getting slaughtered off the line anyone have any ideas?
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put a locker in it!
There are a few people that have done this in FWD cars, but I think they are insane!
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: Manual car Launching techniques(especially mk2 1jz people)
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Sat, 08 May 2004 00:28
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thats too much power for fwd lol
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Location:
Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Manual car Launching techniques(especially mk2 1jz people)
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Sat, 08 May 2004 05:35
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Chris, as I understand it if you give too much power to a single spinner in a corner it can be REALY BAD. In a line I don't think it matters though.
Not that I am an expert or anything.
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Location:
Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: Manual car Launching techniques(especially mk2 1jz people)
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Sat, 08 May 2004 05:39
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And Alainve, put some thicker tires on there, and get an LSD. What about suspension?
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Location:
Cabramatta, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: Manual car Launching techniques(especially mk2 1jz people)
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Sat, 08 May 2004 06:20
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| Shraka wrote on Sat, 08 May 2004 15:35 |
Chris, as I understand it if you give too much power to a single spinner in a corner it can be REALY BAD. In a line I don't think it matters though.
Not that I am an expert or anything.
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If you give too much power with a single spinner in a corner, you just light up one wheel.
The worst thing that can happen is that you run out of names to call yourself before you regain traction.
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Location:
Potts Point, Sydney
Registered:
October 2003
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Re: Manual car Launching techniques(especially mk2 1jz people)
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Sat, 08 May 2004 11:32
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Im not too good at this either... but isnt dumping the clutch when you put the gas down and rev the crap out of the engine and then just let the clutch up fast but gradually. So your car sits there screching and smoking like crazy??? 
Sorry if im wrong...
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: Manual car Launching techniques(especially mk2 1jz people)
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Sat, 08 May 2004 12:17
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can someone explain double clutching to me with some sort of written example
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Location:
Newcastle NSW
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: Manual car Launching techniques(especially mk2 1jz people)
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Sat, 08 May 2004 12:25
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ive got decent tyres 205-45-16 they are falkens but not terribly soft. i think this is part of the problem, theres no give in the sidewalls.
and i know theres no lsd but i was thinking of a phantomgrip unit to save a bit of $$$ so i can do some other work.
ive got stock springs in it for now till i get my K-MAC's reset for a more suitable rideheight (85mm low is just too low) i have whiteline swaybars in there, custom strut brace is on the way.
ive been thinking about one of those hydraulic dampers to stop the engine shaking about so violently which i think is part of the problem?
unless anyone has any good reason not to use a damper like that i will look into getting one.
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