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JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Tue, 27 August 2002 03:29
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Heys
Well - i finally have Full time employment so - im looking to buy a new car
Just need some oppinions from the guys here on two models in particular - ie the supra and soarer
With the soarer - how do people find them to drive , sporty , or more a touring car type feel - or are they a heavy pig limosuine with 2 doors .
Are they easyish to source parts for , and modify ? Id be looking to do the usual Suspension/exhaust upgradees + obviously wheels
Is insurance hard to get for them, being a grey import ?
Lastly - The quad cam v8 - or the 1jzgte 6 - which in your oppinion is the better motor to have ( reliability, power , modifying basis oppinions , parts )
manual or Auto too?
As for the supra - looking at the current spape one - Is a N/a supra , say 1995ish a better buy than the soarer for overall performance - or is the supra a better car to drive, find parts for , and modify. The twin turbo is a little out of my range as yet - price wise and insurance costs wise.
All oppinions appreciated !
Stuart
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Tue, 27 August 2002 03:56
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I absolutely love my Soarer. All parts can be bought from any Toyota dealer, although they do take slightly longer to get here. Reliablity for me hasnt really been a problem, and regrettably I've treated mine like crap. I bought it with 70,000kms, now its got 200,000 with 3 services in that time, and maybe 3 oil changes on top of those ones. Currently it blows a little smoke and stutters when its cold, which is apparently from burnt valve stem seals (or something like that) caused by the engine running too rich for too long. Once its warm it runs perfect.
Havnt really had any other problems, except on 2 occasions the heater wouldnt work. Once the car was left there adn started up again it worked fine. The interior door trims nearly always crack and i've broken one completely.
The V8 engine would be quicker to get parts for as the engine is sold in Australia, but i've always liked the 1jz much better. Insurance is apparently cheaper on the V8 models but im not sure about that. Insurance on the 1jz models is way scary so I havnt been insured since i got the car.
And from what I've seen the 1jz is definitly better to modify.
The Soarer kills the Supra in terms of comfort. I don't see the point of the back seat on a JZA80 Supra. Plus i would never consider sleeping in a Supra for a night but I have slept in my Soarer (Wrecked a key, and it wouldn't turn the ignition. Then none of my keys worked so I slept in the car till I could get it towed!!  )
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Tue, 27 August 2002 04:15
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There's no doubt the Soarer is designed as a big, comfy tourer. I definitely wouldn't call it a sports car, but they do have plenty of performance all the same. If you're after a sports car, the Supra is definitely the way to go. The NA Supra isn't super-duper quick, but they're no slouch either!
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Tue, 27 August 2002 04:21
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I've driven both a stock NA and a stock TT Supra (and a 640hp TT but that one doesnt count!) and the NA surprised me a lot. Its got a decent amount of power. However if its gonna end up modified, then might as well stick to a TT supra or TT soarer.
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Tue, 27 August 2002 07:41
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thanks for the help guys - all points have been noted ..
TT supras out of my ballpark atm - so its a down the track car when i get a bit more $$ under the belt - thats why i asked about the NA ..
I believe you can still squeeze 200+ KW from the 6 with modifications - which aint too bad IMHO ..
Seeings though the current XR6's and Supercharged commodores currently have less power and more weight , and having driven the XR6 - id say the supra would still slay the 6's and possibly the 8's in all depts ..
The other three cars im considering at this stage ar an XR6 falcon - for obvious cheapness , parts availability, size + reliability ( plus i have lifetime staff discount thru ford dealerships on cars + parts * big savings * ) , an R33 Skyline GTS-T - and lastly the st185 Celica GT4
The skylines at the bottom of the list - because its probably the smallest in size of space ( celica does have more room ironically enough ), the fact is isnt a toyota or ford ( reliability factor and parts factor ) and insurance is a real shit to get for them
I was quoted 1300 a year comprehensive cover for the GT4 - but in hindsight dollar for dollar the GT4 is the cheapest of the lot to purchase outright buy a few thousand .. I wonder if this would be a beter avenue to approach as a first time full toyota sports car base - save the supra for later in life when the TT is within grasps.
The soarer sounds a litte loo toury for my liking - I love my corners too much.
Can anyone pass on more hands on knowelege on the NA supra ?
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Wed, 28 August 2002 13:24
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ytri, so your saying never buy a car off you
lol
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Preston
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Wed, 28 August 2002 22:47
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lol basically!!! Actually Im pretty ashamed of myself for treating it so badly. Its ben a great car. But now Im out of uni and have a full time job, so its going to start getting treated the way it should have from the start.
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Perth WA
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Fri, 30 August 2002 12:15
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Gee, my car's going to last forever then!
I can't sleep ovenight if my oil and filter change is overdue!
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Sun, 01 September 2002 04:01
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The NA JZA80 Supra does 0-100kph in about 6.8 secs, which is pretty damn quick surprising. Plus, from memory they have the same brakes as a pre-95 TT.
Th fact they only weigh 1400-1500kg helps.
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Wed, 18 September 2002 09:55
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mmmmmmm...if I could go back in time, i'd get myself a TT soarer.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Wed, 18 September 2002 23:47
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Sun, 01 September 2002 14:01 |
The NA JZA80 Supra does 0-100kph in about 6.8 secs, which is pretty damn quick surprising. Plus, from memory they have the same brakes as a pre-95 TT.
Th fact they only weigh 1400-1500kg helps.
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Hmm... I don't think it's that fast. 0-100km/h in high 7s, not high 6s.
Regarless, still a very fast car considering the weight and the fact that it's N/A.
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Thu, 19 September 2002 00:39
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HPI have a road test vs a NA Skyline, surprised them too.
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Thu, 19 September 2002 04:14
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hey stu,
id go the quad cam v8 purely for the reasoning of
a) insurance costs shitloads for turbo (probably more for TT)
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b) love the sound of a v8 !
what are you going to do with the ta22 ?....i reckon a 4agze supercharger would make a nice addition after the cam !!...all you'd have to do is lower the compression slightly !
seeya
wayne
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Thu, 19 September 2002 11:43
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When I got a quote on insurance last, the turbo Soarer cost $200 more than the V8 to insure. Twin turbo cars cost no more, they just split cars into Force Induction and Naturally Aspirated categories.
I weighed up the pros & cons with both models before deciding on a nice Soarer TT. The 1JZ is an amazing engine even in stock form (not that the 1UZ is any worse). Parts are relatively easy and cheap to find (from my experience so far), and the TT doesn't have all the fiddly electronic gadgets that may be cool until something goes wrong, and costs $$$ to replace. The TT is also about 200-300kg lighter than the V8 Soarer due to lack of electronic gizmos.
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Thu, 19 September 2002 23:05
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I got a qoute last week for my TT Soarer. Being 20, it was $8000 if Im a rating 6, and $5600 if Im a rating 4. This was through Just Cars with my mods being listed
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Thu, 19 September 2002 23:58
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What bout a MA70 Supra with a 7M-GTE man !?!?
they are pretty nice ?!!
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Sat, 21 September 2002 03:09
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I want a JZA70! 
Stoopid damn insurance!!!
Hey what do you guys do for insurance then?
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Wollongong
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Sat, 21 September 2002 14:33
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I'm a 23y.o. with comprehensive insurance with Shannons.
For my Soarer twin turbo, I fork out just on $2k per year for full cover. 60% no claim bonus helps quite a bit.
I remember calling NRMA about insuring a 1995 200SX worth $25k. They wanted $10,800 per year (with no NCB). I just can't see how that can be justified.
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Re: JZZ30 Soarer + supra Questions
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Mon, 23 September 2002 02:46
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i love my soarer
i would call it a luxury cruiser but they really go well
the only problems are
the door trims crack
the power steering pump leaks and runs int the alternator causing it to corode and short
the turbos can go brittle
difs can go if yu continually light up the rears (not hard to do )
considerthe tt is .. .quoted 280 ??? but reality 300 hp standard
the v8 260 hp
put on a 4 " exhaust and bigger intercooler at bugger all cost and belive me there wont be to many cars leave you at the lights
well i have not had one yet ... 
ps i pay 700 dollars to insure my twin turbo
good luck if you buy one
len
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