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AE86 Swaybars
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Tue, 11 May 2004 22:34
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Rather than clutter up another thread with more 86 suspension talk. I have started this one for just swaybars.
Ive been trying to find a F&R swaybar for my AE86, and have only found one supplier sofar. Whiteline or Selbys.
Now ive heard good things, and bad things about Whiteline bars, like they are brilliant when they work, and when they dont, they suck hard.
Now if i do go with Whiteline i have a few options atm:
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5/83-5/87 AE86 Sprinter Coupe
Front:
Standard BTF35 24mm
Extra heavy duty BTF35X 27mm
Adjustable BTF35Z 24mm
Rear:
Standard BTR25R 18mm
Adjustable BTR25Z 18mm
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Now as i see it, i only really have one thickness option for the rear, which is the 18mm, and i may as well go the Adjustable blade type at that point, as its only $20 more.
All the Front ones are the same price, but the thicknesses differ. I was considering going for the 27mm one as it will stiffen up the front end nicely, but i dont know if that will unbalance the car and leave the rear end a bit sloppy.
Has anyone had experience with the Whiteline swaybars? What are they like, and what would that setup be like?
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 01:05
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Whiteline bars .
Front : If you require a thicker bar than the whiteline 27mm , you could go a k mac one , i think 4age's sprinter has a 32mm kmac on the front , i once had a ra60 stock bar fitted with custom mounts that was a cheap 27or28mm bar , and you didn't have to take the front suspension apart to change the bar if mounted correctly, custom bars have about a weeks turnaround for me for them , but do make sure they have the delivery address correct or it spends two weeks traveling around the country  .
Rear : The adjustable kit comes with very different size bolt kits , making in a pain in the ass do adjustments quickly , as you spend most of time searching for the correct size spanner
, the mounts flex and the welding is shit so the bolts turn in they mount points . The bar links , well anyone with a wrx will tell you storys about someone they knows bar links going bang and breaking mid corner , plus there are too short so the when on full hard the diff cannot be dropped to change springs due to bar hitting the other adjustment stud , which brakes off anyway . So you get what you pay for  . Hard rear bar is easy just get a datto one , make two small bracket spaces and have a rear adjustable bar which does something . Or use two stock ones with brackets .
Anymore suspension threads soon ? You must have all points covered by now ? I want to see this car push 1g when its finished .
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 03:03
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Thanks for that. Cant post much now as im at a wireless hotspot and getting charged heaps to post even this. Will post back later today.
Oh yeah, what do you mean by 1G?
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 03:58
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he means he wants it to be able to corner at "one g-force"
interestingly enough, you can get a car to corner at more than 1 G, as tyres do not obey newtons laws of friction (race cars at least)
i think i will be starting another AE86 suspension thread soon, on coilovers, as long as it contains only relavant info, i hope it will be tolerated by the powers that be.
oh yeah, from memory, whiteline swaybars ARE selbys swaybars, i believe whiteline absorbed selbys a while back.
i think i will look at getting some custom made hollow swaybars, just for wank factor.
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 07:17
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so what your saying is the whiteline rear sway bars are terryble and that i should go get a k-mac rear one? what diameter are the k-macs?? price?
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 07:28
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Calling the Bill Sherwood..
Sorry to intrude on a post like this .. but
Mate, your site is excellent. Your projects are brilliant.. ambitious but you always seem to get on top of them. Very interesting carreer details too. Some of us would never see those bits of 747's etc if you hadn't have gone to the trouble!
Your site has come in handy so many times for referencing etc over the years, cheers!
Ben - a devoted fan!
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 07:30
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Thanks!
More to come as time goes by ... 
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 07:33
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I'm getting K mac 'extra large' swaybars front and rear for my ae92 along with k mac prog. rate 'racing' springs and koni adjustables.. as my cars FWD I'll definately be running the rear one.. and this setup worked very well on the previous AE92 my car is inheriting this suspension from (though that car did have teins on the front which were sadly wrecked).
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 07:35
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Apart from that the previous car also had the rear suspension cross braced (basic triangulation) with steel tube and a large front strut brace.. I intend to copy this as time goes on.
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 08:09
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$600? I think that is quite worth it, I thought be lot more expensive. Thats shipping included as well huh? I like!
Who did u deal through?
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 08:09
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Good call Bill ,
I had to drive for three weeks without any roll bars , due to the transport problem , great to go get the spring shock rates correct , but since having the bars on { then modifying them to work } i have had to change the springs twice to match , with a third change on the way .
Ae86drift , 20mm rear , that should be over-steer city with a hard rear spring rate , i guess thats what you are aiming for .
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 08:23
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Ae86drift , 20mm rear , that should be over-steer city with a hard rear spring rate , i guess thats what you are aiming for .
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well... yeah!  6.4kg/mm springs with that fat sucker and the hardest setting on a TechnoProSpirit Tokiko HTS strut. wooyeah!!!
notofu > a friend in japan with contacts in the import/export industry. lucky i guess. also getting a bride seat (2nd hand) for $400 bucks (hopefully)
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 09:03
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stock sway bars here, still drifintg hard 
dont need to spend so much stuffing around with them in my opinion.
Ueo uses them because he is sponsored by Cusco, incidentially the whole cusco book is thrown at the car
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 09:06
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| Bill Sherwood wrote on Wed, 12 May 2004 17:25 |
Try the car without the anti-roll car. (Sway bars are a gadget used on caravans, not cars)
I ditched mine years ago and the car felt better immediately. Other cars may not get the same result though of course.
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Although i would never doubt what bill says, i put a 28mm whiteline sway bar in the front and the difference is huge.
The front roll in my car is nowhere near as bad as before, wether its better or not i havent really tested, but it feels good in general driving.
Steve
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 09:12
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however, The anti roll bar si doing the job that the springs and shocks should be doing.
If you set your susp up properly, then fit a mild sway bar, you'd have a much more driveable car as the s[prings are resisting the roll and not the bar,
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 09:17
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Yeah, im trying to set up the springs and shocks right the first time. Just want to go almost overboard with the ride quality. No point doing track and circuit stuff if its not setup properly.
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 09:37
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| takai wrote on Wed, 12 May 2004 19:17 |
Yeah, im trying to set up the springs and shocks right the first time. Just want to go almost overboard with the ride quality. No point doing track and circuit stuff if its not setup properly.
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 13:22
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I believe the centre of gravity comes into play.
Sit your car on its arse and probably wouldnt even need sway bars as bill has said, but stiffness of the struts/shocks also play a part.
Stiffer they are the less work needed by the sway bars.
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 13:34
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Haha, yes, the centre of gravity does come into play. Currently my car doesnt need swaybars at all as gravity does everything. Since its up on stands its really solid and doesnt move around at all. Hence the suspension must be great
Anyway, now that im done taking the piss, there is a limit to how low a car can go (esp when its also road driven) and also a limit to how hard the shocks can be. Because too hard and the first bump you hit youll lose the car all over the road. Im thinking either 8kg/6kg springs or even 10kg/8kg springs. All depending on the swaybars. Hence why getting the swaybars right is so important to me.
Oh yeah, ill be running a whiteline rear panhard rod too.
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Wed, 12 May 2004 14:09
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I guess until its on the road i cant really quanitfy how well she will handle.
I think ill go with the 27mm heavy duty Selby unit for the front for now.
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Thu, 13 May 2004 01:31
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FKN16V
Where are these racers ? in Australia ? I think if they raced here they would see Australian tracks are rougher than there roads , has anyone been to calder lately ? pot holes down the main straight the track patched up in places . The straight from turns three to four sandown , t50's jump out of second gear there braking traction with only 125hp atw . You can imagine how that would be with "Dry Setup F9kg/mm R8kg/mm" , there car would be a mobile road block on the track here . Well maybe not since is got good power .
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Thu, 13 May 2004 09:56
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I dont get Bills post hmmmmmmm
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Mon, 06 June 2005 08:24
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Sorry to revive the old post, but...
I've fitted the whiteline kit to my car and found that the tyres rub the swaybar, i was going to correct the offset on the rims (yay simmons) but playing around today I found the calipers (JDM) foul the swaybar as well.
I am looking for more steering angle, but can't go further if the calipers foul.
Anyone else had the problem?? or even better , the solution (removing front swaybar a maybe...)
Cheers
Steve
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Mon, 06 June 2005 13:43
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While this thread is being revived has anyone fitted the cusco sways? What did you think?
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Mon, 06 June 2005 16:09
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while swaybar talk is on....i have a whiteline 27mm adj front sway bar and i can definitly say that it has reduced the cars tendency to oversteer...
before this i only had a rear 19mm adj pedders bar...and the quality of the welding on the links was worse then that done by a blind monkey with no arms...the whiteline product was supperior and after fixin up the rear end the swaybars have improved the handling considerably
Adam
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Thu, 03 November 2005 23:06
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Yes tha'st the one.
Thanks heaps,
Cheers
Steve
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Re: AE86 Swaybars
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Thu, 03 November 2005 23:22
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Toycam, whats your wheel size/offset? and whats your ride height? I have the whiteline adjustable on my car (JDM disk rear) and have no probs with rubbing at all. (wheels range from stock alloys(13x5.5, 27 offset), to 15x7 25 offset, to 15x7 zero offset.
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