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May 2002
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 04:54
 
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Aaaargh, this one caused me a bit of strife!
I went through a few clutches with mine. Firt clutch I used was a Daikin Exedy 'Extreme' clutch kit, died after about a week. Then I bought the same thing again but with the 3 puck ceramic plate. Easy to drive, lasted a bit longer than the first one, but still weak as piss!
Now I'm using one made by Direct Clutch in QLD, seems to be a good thing. Cost wasn't too bad, $300 for the kit, can't complain. I'm using a standard type plate in it, but you could get it with a ceramic if you want to give your car a bit of a hiding.
As for T50's, mine lasted about 5000kms, without being given a REAL hiding (but still plenty of enjoyment...) before it stripped all the teeth off of 2nd gear (on the way home from the last dyno day!) i drove the car home (Sydney to Melbourne), then for a few weeks afterwards like this, but I'm now in the process of putting a W box in it. My suggestion would be to shove a W box in it in the first place, save busting a poor innocent T50 - they're tough, but still quite breakable when being fed multiple times the original torque. (As are W boxes I spose!)
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 04:56
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I'm also beefing my car up a bit more right now, hopefully to do 200+RWKW, so if I have any more trouble, then I might have to look for something twin plate I guess! Maybe we should all get together and get a few of something made, see if it's going to be cheaper.
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 05:19
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I've been running a T50 with an unsprung brass button (using standard pressure plate) behind my ze for about two years now with no signs of trouble. But i'm only getting 110rwKw atm with an sc14.
mrshin,
Have you decided what you are going to do with your tailshaft, as i would be interested in purchasing it if you are not going to be using it. (Its from a sprinter isnt it.)
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Auckland, New Zealand
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July 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 06:11
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To add my 2.0bar worth.
I've never put together my 4A-GTE, got most of the parts, just haven't done it 
I'm seriously contemplating dumping the 4A-GTE and going for a 3S-GTE as I am finding all these little things I need to get my 4A to go are extremely hard to find.
Anyway, I'll keep you all posted.
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 06:33
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Well, the reason I used a 4A instead of a 3sgte in mine is because it was a whole lot easier/cheaper. I already had a 4ac in my ae86, so I had a t50/engine mounts etc. etc., therefore it was relatively easy. Remember, a 3sgte is gonna need all the parts a 4A is and more e.g. flywheel, starter motor problems etc. as well as making a turbo manifold etc. Still, if (when??) I break my 4a, I may well put a 3sgte in anyway... I've already scrounged the bellhousing, mounts, etc.
Jonoze, unfortunately my tailshaft already has copped the knife. The guy that did it the first time didn't weld the weights on too well, and they fell off. Because it was going to cost $ to rebalance it, I got another guy to swap the yoke/balance it again anyway. Sorry!
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Location:
Auckland, New Zealand
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July 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 06:39
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heh, I've got most of the parts for a 3S conversion too 
It really isn't that biggie of a conversion once you've done some investigation.
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 06:50
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well, really, nothings impossible 
Thing is, I figure I might as well see how far the poor little 4A will go first 
If/when it busts, well I'm just gonna have to scrape up enough $ from *somehere!* to get a 3sgte in there. Besides, nothing beats the look on a commodore drivers face when you tell him you've just convincingly beaten his 5.7l chev with a 1600 
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Location:
Auckland, New Zealand
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July 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 06:56
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1600cc sure does scare some people
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 09:00
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hell yeah! having a 1.8L was embarrassing enough for the commonwhore drivers, now having a 1.6L will be an a few more nails in their coffin!
I think I'll go with a 5 button ceramic kit from Direct Clutches. I called them today and their prices are reasonable, and at least they actually know what i'm after, unlike most of the local auto parts stores!
I dont know why, but i've never managed to break any gears when using T50's behind my 3TGTE making ~180kw at the wheels. the only thing that failed was the input shaft bearing or 2nd gear synchros from slamming gears on the track.
I have a W57 here, just need $$$ to buy a bellhousing off those friendly helpful guys at Dellow I'm still interested to know how a supposed supra box 'specialist' can tell me that all supra boxes are the same!!!
MRShin: when you bought your bellhousing, did they ask you if you had a W55 or W55-58 box??
Phil
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 28 August 2002 11:57
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I already have two of the smaller 4AGE flywheels (200mm).
Is it possible to machine this to rather take the 100kw 212mm clutch? Is the bolt pattern for the pressure plate the same for a 4AGE 100kw & 86kw flywheel?
Phil
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Thu, 29 August 2002 13:43
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Yeah, I'm reasonably happy with Direct Clutch - only thing is that sometimes stuff doesn't happen overnight with them, but they're always reasonable about it when you ring them up, unlike *some others* 
Dellows? Ask? hmmm... well they're an interesting bunch they are! First of all, claimed they didn't know that there WERE such things as W55, 57, etc. boxes, just 'supra', 'supra turbo' is as far as it goes. Took them 4-5 weeks to send me the parts. The housing does seem to have a bit of a problem with angle, meaning that the gearbox is slightly cocked one way... Also the casting does look pretty average, looks rough as guts and has no webs cast into it at all. On the plus side, its ½ the price of the Jap one, all bolt holes do line up with everything, its got mickey mouse ears to let you put the starter on either side.
One time when I rang them up, they claimed they were 'machining it right now', which was promptly followed by them sound of what I could have sworn was the guy on the phone banging a bellhousing with a peice of wood! Judge for yourself
Anyways, good luck!
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Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Thu, 29 August 2002 14:54
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Hey Mrshin,
I know you have made comments on the "workmanship" of the Dellow bellhousing before but I was just wondering if in your opinion it is up to the task considering it's lack of webbing and so on.
Dellow......I have tried to deal with them before, geeeezzzz I wish there was an alternative!
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Location:
Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Fri, 30 August 2002 04:18
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so which supra box have you got mrshin? does the bellhousing perhaps have a 'multifit' set of holes for the bellhousing to gearbox bolts?
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Location:
Auckland, New Zealand
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July 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Fri, 30 August 2002 04:23
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I have fitted my 1S bellhousing to a W55 W57 and W58. So I"d say its pretty generic.
Any luck with your clutch setup?
Are the Flywheels and clutches the same for both RWD and FWD 4age's?
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Fri, 30 August 2002 04:35
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I've pretty much decided on a clutch from Direct Clutches in QLD after having a chat with them yesterday. It will be a 5 button ceramic with HD pressure plate to suit the 212mm 100kw flywheel (which is actually 215mm according to all the clutch distributor's product listings).
As far as I have found, the flywheel for twin cam RWD & FWD are the same, only differences are between 86kw, 100kw, & supercharged motors. *apparently* the single cam 4AC's only have 6 flywheel bolts, so are not interchangeable with the twincams.
Does anyone have a 100kw flywheel off the car that they could measure the distance between the pressure plate locating dowels for me please? 
Cheers
Phil
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Fri, 30 August 2002 14:36
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The workmanship? hmmm, well thing is, despite being deadly ugly, it will probably do the trick. Guess I will find out over the next little while! If I manage to bust it or something, I'll letcha's all know...
Which box? W55. There's no multifit holes or anything, except for the starter/clutch cylinder (which is really a matter of which side of the housing they drill some holes for bolts and punch a bigger hole for the arm to go through!). From what I've seen, a W box is a W box as far as boltholes go.
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Location:
Adelaide
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August 2002
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Sun, 01 September 2002 13:33
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One more work of advice: the 4ag Dellhousing (!) needs a little bit of grinding, both inside and out, even with a 200mm clutch. And the outside needs some taken off of it to fit under an ae86 floor, even then you need to loosen off the engine mounts and put a jack under the front of the sump to get enough angle for the big, fat, chunky square thing to clear the floor...
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Mon, 02 September 2002 11:10
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mrshin:
sounds like a top buy there buddy. I cant wait to fork over $475 for mine 
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Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Mon, 02 September 2002 13:16
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It does seem a bit of a lemon when you think you have to pay that much for a part 'designed' for the 4AGE when it needs that many grinding mods - but are there other options that are better (without going over the top like one of the JAP bellhousings)?
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: RWD 4AGZE: what clutch do you use??
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Wed, 04 September 2002 00:53
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Well... you get what you pay for really! Although in this case you gots to pay rather a lot for a simple piece of gear... You could always try and make an adapter plate, hack up the 4A factory housing, and weld the plate on the back of it. Not sure how much that would cost, and it'd hafta be done right or it could well break...
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