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1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Thu, 03 June 2004 15:06
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I did a quick search and found no real info on this engine let alone one in another vehicle...
What im after is if it "could fit" could work sort of reply 
I know its a V12 206kw.. etc..
What are they worth ? from a search there was one available for $1500 AUS but in japan..
To tell the truth id really only like this sticker..
"Lambourghini, Cressida Fodder"
Thanks.
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Thu, 03 June 2004 15:10
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Ha that would be sooo sweet!
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Thu, 03 June 2004 15:24
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U find where it tells me that it will fit into a mx62.
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Thu, 03 June 2004 15:26
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ok then... yes it could fit, give me enough money and i'll fit it too my pushbike.
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Thu, 03 June 2004 15:29
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boris, give it a chance 
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Thu, 03 June 2004 15:31
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Haha, wasn't trying to sound like a stooge... it would be a really cool engine to fit to ANY car, like it was discussed in the other post, your best bet is to find out the dimensions to determine it will fit and then buy it, mortage your home and spend lots of time making it all fit. Then when its all done come and take us all for drives
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Thu, 03 June 2004 15:52
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I dont even have a ball park figure on the engine cost .. thats the main killer i think 
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Thu, 03 June 2004 23:12
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It's nearly impossible to give you a ballpark figure since these things come up for sale so infrequently. I've only come across one and it was $1500, although it would have been more like $2500 by the time it was shipped from Japan.
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Sat, 05 June 2004 00:22
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It will cost a million dollars and is very hard.
Seriously, you expect someone to tell you how hard the conversion is or how much it costs... have you ever seen or heard of a V12 MX62? No.
Maybe, just maybe, that's why noone is giving any information on their conversion...
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Mon, 07 June 2004 12:49
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Hahahaha...good luck
I have tried finding information on this engine worldwide. American, UK, Danish, and Japanese Forums...No-one seems to be able to answer.
I am currently looking for another one of the engines , which I will then purchase, measure upon arrival, then find a suitable car to fit it in!....
Only good thing is , I think I should be able to extract 350-400Kw from it with decent breathing and cams...NA..
Also good luck finding a base level computer to run the sucker..Only thing I have found that might come close is a E11..the motec, autronic, microtech etc don't have enough ignition drivers to run a coil on plug arrangement for a 12 cylinder car as far as I can see.
Personally, I wouldnt waste a terrific and high powered engine (Not to mention DAMN expensive) on a poor chassis. If you get one, do it justice and find a chassis that can handle the power properly.
Just my 2c worth..
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Mon, 07 June 2004 15:08
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| sandman wrote on Mon, 07 June 2004 22:49 |
the motec, autronic, microtech etc don't have enough ignition drivers to run a coil on plug arrangement for a 12 cylinder car as far as I can see.
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Motec do - The M800 box with the ignition expander will do that easily.
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Mon, 07 June 2004 23:05
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| Bill Sherwood wrote on Tue, 08 June 2004 01:08 |
Motec do - The M800 box with the ignition expander will do that easily.
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Exactly what I was going to say. Get the VCT option and you can run the VVTi too. Admittedly both options total nearly $900.
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Tue, 08 June 2004 08:00
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Yikes...the only problem with Motec then is the $$$..
I didn't know about the ignition expanders.. 
The only other problem is nobody can be found worldwide that knows ANYTHING about these engines...so if you do get one, slot it in etc..be prepared to do EVEYTHING yourself..
I am a big enough idiot to attempt something like this ..make sure you are too *grin*
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Tue, 08 June 2004 08:25
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Why do you have to know anything about the engine? It's not like you're going to be pulling it apart and rebuilding it (remember it can be no more than 7 years old). The external systems like EFI are going to work the same as any other engine so I can't foresee any dramas; well, no more dramas than any other engine conversion anyway! 
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Tue, 08 June 2004 08:27
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With a Motec it would be a piece of piss to wire up.
If you have enough money to put such an engine into a "decent chassis", then you probably can also afford the Motec to run it, the gearbox to cope with it and the fee to get the Japanese engine manual translated.
Anyway, this is the best that I have ever found on this engine.
Taken directly from this site: http://jnc.narod.ru/data/tnews/century.html
The New Toyota V12 Gasoline Engine
The newly developed 5.0-liter V12 engine installed standard in the remodeled Century represents Toyota's latest advances in gasoline engine technology. Combined with other advanced powertrain components, the finely crafted BEAM S* 1GZ-FE's performance characteristics are ideally suited for Toyota's flag ship luxury vehicle, providing smooth power across the rpm band while boasti ng impressive fuel economy.
Characteristics
Shortening of the interval between combustion cycles in each cylinder minimizes torque variation. Combined with the slant-squish combustion chambers, iridium electrode spark plugs, and Variable Valve Timing-intelligent (VVT-i), this stabilizes combustion and enables smooth engine operation like that fo und in electric motors.
Increased rigidity of moving and structural components, such as pistons and the cylinder block, decreases vibration by about 10% over the Celsior's (Lexus LS400) 4.0-liter V8 engine (1UZ-FE), which itself is renowned for its quietness.
Working in tandem with the VVT-i, a variable intake system alternates between two set intake levels, providing excellent torque in the low- to mid-range, which is most common during daily driving.
Compact combustion chambers provide a high compression ratio (10 · 5:1). VVT-I reduces intake loss, while titanium coated shims and a newly developed, low viscosity engine oil minimize friction loss. Along with the engine's ability to stabilize combustion when under a light load and to operate at very low rpms while idling, these increase the new Century's fuel efficiency by 13% over the previous model to 7.2 km/liter (10 · 15 mode).
*Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System
Machining of engine components and engine assembly are performed by skilled technicians on production lines dedicated to the 1GZ-FE, while specialists carefully conduct final engine inspection using stethoscopes. Feedback from intensive durability testing of individual components was vital to the R&D p rocess. The fail-safe system, in which the two six-cylinder banks each have fully dedicated operating systems, further guarantees the dependability of this marvelous system.
Technologies
Slant-Squish Combustion Chambers
The squish area (the small niche formed between the piston and the cylinder head) is aligned with the wall of the combustion chamber so that the flame can quickly spread to the edge of the combustion chamber, improving combustion efficiency. Also, the openings around the intake valves have been widened, providing for greater amounts of air to be taken in and raising torque.
Mass Production of Iridium Electrode Spark Plugs a World First
Iridium increases the longevity of the center electrode, allowing for a smaller electrode diameter (0.7mm) and better ignition, thus stabilizing combustion.
VVT-I
Continuously controlling valve timing to best suit driving conditions increases torque, output, and fuel efficiency, while also reducing NOX and HC emissions.
Titanium-Coated Shims
The valve lifter shim surface that contacts the cams is mirror-finished and then hardened significantly with a titanium nitride coating. Moreover, the coating's microscopic protrusions further polish the surfaces of the cams that they come into contact with. This results in unsurpassed smoothness between all contact surfaces, reducing wear and rotational resistance with the camshaft.
Electronic Throttle Control System-intelligent (ETCS-i)
Computer signals electronically control the throttle valve in response to accelerator pedal movement. This control provides even torque even when the accelerator is pushed rapidly, smoothing the Century's progress.
Electronically Controlled Hydraulic Cooling Fan
In order to reduce engine cooling fan noise, the fan is controlled electroni cally to avoid its rotation rate from moving in stages and to operate it at the minimum speed necessary to cool the engine.
Cylinder Block and Oil Pan Rigidity
Toyota engineers used the latest computer technology to study the strength and rigidity of moving and structural parts, and sought the ideal engine layout through measurement and analysis of component movement, as well as their angles and positioning. The seam between the oil pan and the cylinder block, which is crucial for controlling vibration, is slightly bell-shaped. With in the cylinder block itself, internal parts are joined by bridge-type ribs, while the left and right sides are also connected, thus increasing bending and twisting rigidity, providing unsurpassed quietness.
Fail-Safe, Independently Controlled Cylinder Banks
Intake systems components such as air cleaners, electronic throttles, and surge tanks, as well the sensors and control units necessary to operate fuel injectors and ignition, are located independently in both the right and left six-cylinder banks. This fail-safe system is equivalent in ability to that of an airplane, allowing for the engine to continue operating even if the vital electronic control system of one cylinder bank should break down.
KEY SPECIFICATIONS OF THE BEAMS 1GZ-FE ENGINE
Total displacement (cc) 4,996 Valves DOHC 4-valve; chain and gear drive
Number of cylinders 60degree V12 Maximum output (PS/rpm) 280/5,200 net
Bore x stroke (mm) 81.0 x 80.8 Maximum torque (kg-m/rpm) 49.0/4,000 net
Combustion chamber Pent roof type Fuel supply system Electronic Fuel Injection (EFI)
Compression ratio 10.5:1 10 - 15-mode fuel
consumption (km/l) 7.2
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Tue, 08 June 2004 08:57
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I have read a couple of salebook type descriptions similar to the above.
Basically for aftermarket use, unless you were using the factory computer (Which will obviously have limitations) you would either have to replace 90% of the external fittings (What I was thinking of doing, by using a 12 throttle body style layout..not cheap..) and then using nice crank angle sensing and 12 individual coils etc..
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prob use a motec to control everything (I believe it is the only one that uses the drive by wire technology for accelerator control??, unless the new microtech gear does..but I doubt the mtech can control 12 cylinders!)
I agree with the comment on the price of the motech being in reach of someone who can afford the rest..however I will most likely use another ecu and save $3-4000 and spend that on implementing the throttle bodies etc.
PS , I have found 2 possible chassis now that should both easily fit it in..both strong enough, both just meet the legal weight, and both are sexy sports cars..*and no..I aint saying..*
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Tue, 08 June 2004 10:08
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if one is an aston martin db4
i'll happily have your babies for a ride once its finished
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Tue, 08 June 2004 12:03
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The electronic throttles can be easily replaced by conventional throttles from some other engine. The rest (injectors, crank angle sensor, MAP sensor etc) are just a matter of wiring it up. Same as any other engine!
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Re: 1GZ-FE into Mx62 Cresssida.
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Tue, 08 June 2004 12:27
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Agreed Norbie...but I think 12 shiny trumpets would look best on my baby..especially as it will be at least a 50% show car (I could never leave a show car in the garage, hence only 50%..gotta drive em!)
Cyber...I would never chop a DB4...sacrilege....now a DBS on the other hand...
And the other one...which has a much better weight (Read only 30kgs more than the absolute minimum registerable weight with a 5 litre..) I aint telling..but it will handle better, and be more aerodynamic..AND is dirt cheap!
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