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Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 04:54
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After my cars intercooler piping being off since i got it back, Jake and I got it clamped on with some mega clamps... decided we were bored and wanted to get a dyno pull going.
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Johals- Mz10 soarer with 1jz gte(r154 5 speed)
2.5 inch cat back exhaust
600x300x76
jzz30 soarer auto ecu
running 11 psi boost, no boost controller
Jakes- Ta22 with 3t gteu(w55 5 speed)
2.5 inch Mandrel from turbo dump back
1g gte intercooler
Factory management
7psi boost, no boost controller
Pics are below of dyno runs
Thanks for listenning 
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 05:29
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Awesome dude, and you're complaining of not enough power!
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 05:30
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I am..... 
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 05:33
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lol.. intercooler piping wasnt connected.. turbo'd werent working
now im just scared of the thing...
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 05:37
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I figured it'd have to be something wrong! I was waiting for you to shit yourself!
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 05:48
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im guessing if i gave it some.. it would spin through 3rd all the way aswell.. spun all 1st and second without giving it much
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 07:56
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is that 200rwkw?
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 07:57
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Yep.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 07:58
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fuck man..norbie only had 220 something!
seems weird he was running a 3", a 2jz and a lot more boost...
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 07:58
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What gear was norbies done in?
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 07:59
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no idea, what was johals done in?
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 08:01
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Both cars were done in 3rd, although somebody suggested today that it should have been done in 4th? I don't know though i was a dyno virgin.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 08:02
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yeah 4th is the correct gear
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 08:49
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yeah.. john said it should have been done in 4th gear but at the very most make an 8% difference either way
but as jakes was spot on for his mods id assume it was pretty accurate?
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 08:53
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The reason it should be done in 4th is because it is 1:1 ratio, so no torque multiplication. Jake's will be out by whatever the difference in gearing is.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 08:56
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Why would they use 3rd then? I mean wouldn't a workshop usually do that so the numbers are higher and the customer always comes back to them for more work? Neither of us have been to this place before. We merely decided "hey lets go get our cars dynoed" and this place was the closest. From the initial thought of dyno to first car being put on the dyno was about 10 minutes.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 08:58
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You answered your own question, the only fathomable answer is that they were trying to make the figures look good.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 09:02
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lol.. im still happy.. theres pretty much no way it can be less than 180rwkw.. but could someone work out what it would be then?.. was 200 rwkw and 3rd gear on an ma61 supra diff and r154
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 10:12
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well 3rd is a 1.310,
so that would make it around 150kw,
but thats a rather crude calculation
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 10:36
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going by previous 1jzs with similar mods, you should expect 160-170rwkw.
180 would be a bit optimistic on 11psi- my 1jz with 16psi and a microtech only made 190rwkw
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 10:38
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What about mine? Surely that seems comparable to other peoples figures?
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 10:44
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dunno - check the dyno day history in the "cruises and events" section - that's probably the best way to tell, as they were all done on the same dyno by the same guys, and seem to get pretty reliable figures across time
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 11:10
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well.. ive heard from a reputable source(who has had someone dyno their car in all gears that it shouldnt be far off right
cause yes, the car has torque multiplication due to lower gearing but also greater losses due to friction hence why Chiptorque told him it works out to about 8% difference.
so saying it went down 8% would make it 184 rwkw.. but im gonna ring around tomorrow to a few dyno places and see what they say..
cause i can tell u right now its making more than stock power
one thing might be beause of the cooler with the heap more power.. cause even when ive been driving around on boost heaps as soon as i pull up. .touch the piping after the cooler and its stone cold.. so that would help with boost..
anyway ill find out tomorrow
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 11:16
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It's making more than stock yes. I wouldn't bother ringing anyone, cos all they will be able to do is speculate. The only way you'll get an accurate figure is to go back and do a 4th gear pull.
Just be happy in the fact it has more power than stock and is scary fast 
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 11:18
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Yay for scary fast... after we fixed johals car today and went for a drive i've now scrapped the idea of a respray and will now be saving for ecus, forged pistons and big turbos...
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 11:22
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Take it to Redcliffe Dyno and do a run there. Pick me up on the way 
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 11:23
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The reason your 1j was dyno'd in 3rd gear is because most dynos have a speed limmit and an r154 will more than max it out (200kph limmit and on some - less) in 4th (hence the dyno in 3rd. The 3t would have no such problems and so would be dyno'd in 4th.
I too would suspect that these figures are inflated somewhat, in my experience (not insignificant when it comes to 1j outputs) would say you ahould be making about 160 rwkw @ 11 psi - this would extend to 180 + with a good exhaust and some boost.
A stock auto only puts out about 140 tops. There is about 7-9% advantage through the manual, and untill you put a decent exhaust on you will not see very large gains.
My 1j manual (r154) made 204rwkw at the last dyno day, to make this you need at least 15 psi and a seriously free flowing exhaust.
Your cooler sounds good, but all the best gains are in the exhaust on a stock 1j.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 11:43
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its got a better than stock exhaust in the way of a non restrictive 2.5 inch dump back... with no cat
jakes was also done in 3rd.. as it sais on the dyno sheet if u look
im gonna ring them up tomorrow and see what they say..
still.. im happy in the fact that its jesusly fast now
tyres wont last long
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 12:34
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All that matter is how it drives.
Dyno figures are such a wank anyway.
I have a similar exhaust system to you.... on EACH TURBO.
Except mine is from the turbo back.
2.75 inch from each turb, into twin 2.5 inch, joins behind the diff into a 4 inch ID collector and 3.5 inch ID straight through muffler.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 12:39
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| Special Ed wrote on Wed, 09 June 2004 22:34 |
All that matter is how it drives.
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Hell yeah, and from what i felt today i think johal will be happy for a few months at least
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 12:43
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here is a picture of a bike done in 3rd and 4th gear
there isnt much difference between the 2
and also a g35 3rd vs 4th gear
a run in all gears by some mini lol
all im saying is it wont be as far out as you all tihnk and its not as easy as dividing by gear ratio.. theres friction and many other things to take into account..
also look at my AFR in the run.. its almost perfect.. strange for an auto ecu on a manual car...
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 12:44
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spec ed - that sounds like an amazing exhaust system. Heavy, but amazing
and I agree, dyno figures are a wank. I'll take 1/4 times or lap times over dyno figures any day, because when it comes down to practical application, that's what matters. That's why as impressive as 190rwkw from my setup sounds, once you drive it, you feel the mid-range tune is not what it should have been, so I'm stuck with a dyno queen till the next tune. Great for quoting figures, but between different dynos, different air temps, etc etc the figures mean very little.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 12:45
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GO BACK TOMORROW AND RUN IT IN 4TH!!!
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 12:53
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I would ahve a decent exhaust.. except converison cost me a shit load of money and now i have crap all left
and yeah im gonna be very happy with the car for the next month
even 1/4 mile times cant really show much.. cause it all depends on a set up.. if u have solid suspension and a shit load of power.. ur not gonna get a good time compared to someone with soft suspension
anyway.. after i decide to finally go get exhaust and microtech.. then ill just go back there and have a 3rd run pull again
to make it actually worth it..
about the only thing id say u can actually judge a car on is its "pull factor".. how hard u get pushed back into ur seat
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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| draven wrote on Wed, 09 June 2004 22:44 |
spec ed - that sounds like an amazing exhaust system. Heavy, but amazing
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And it does SOUND amazing - toughest sounding stock turbo 1j around IMHO.
Dont think it is that heavy though - heavier than some, I must agree, but not enough to worry about.
Its a bit of a frankentstein really, just kept removing bits as they either failed or were superfluous, ended up with the system i got now. Will probably go for a single 4 inch system when i go big single (with side pipe). Fuel system will live in the rear recess.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 13:01
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hard suspension is not all that bad on an IRS car, the subzero skyline runs 9's with solid bars for rear shock absorbers !!
They lock it into the perfect camber angle and there it stays - no suspension.
I also get better traction with my suspension set firm - less camber change = more contact patch.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 13:02
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just to throw some extra figures into the convo,
my auto JZA70 makes about 170RWKW with a pod filter, standard cooler, dump pipes, 3" exhaust, and 15PSI.
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Wed, 09 June 2004 13:07
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| alwaysRA23 wrote on Wed, 09 June 2004 23:02 |
my auto JZA70 makes about 170RWKW with a pod filter, standard cooler, dump pipes, 3" exhaust, and 15PSI.
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RIGHT on the money !!
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 13:12
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why doesent anyone spend money on a decent cooler.. nearly everyone i see with a 1jz has stock cooler.. they are horrible things...
good cooler will unlock a decent ammount of kw and let u run more boost and run more efficient for engine
no point just screwing more boost in
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Wed, 09 June 2004 13:15
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i have done my cooler too, same dimensions as you , bar and plate with custom aluminium pipes.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 22:48
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Right, just to wade in now. The 3rd gear run is all crap, you would be pushing about 160-170max out of that. 1JZ's dont do 200rwkw stock, no matter how hard you try and wank.
As for gearing, my GZE changed from 109kw (3rd) to 94kw (4th) [E58], and sprinters change about the same amount [T50 & W58]. Bike gearing is also a pointless comparision, if you have ever ridden a bike you would know that they are VERY closely geared. Especially sports bikes like that one. Indeed, most sports bikes only get to 1:1 at 5th gear or higher, so that dyno looks like an idiots dyno too. Minis are closely geared, by the nature of the engine. Almost as closely geared as C52s and bikes.
Also speaking from personal experience JHS in Bristol are a dodgey bunch.
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Wed, 09 June 2004 22:53
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whata bout the g35?.. anyway.. all i was trying to prove is that the gear ratio isnt the only factori dont care what its really making.. but i know its more than 150rwkw
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Wed, 09 June 2004 23:29
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Well Mr Takai explain why my 7MGTE developed 197rwkw on 8psi boost then when stock boost is only 6psi and the car made 175 engine kw from factory? Run was done in 4th gear and was at 167km/h so I doubt the 1J in 4th would have exceeded 200. The car in question which was tested on the Chiptorque dyno in 3rd and 4th was the JUDGE commodore ute. Todd did a lot of investigating of dynos and gear ratios when he was messing with that car, including phone calls to the States talking to workshops there about the dynojet rolling road ones they have there.
You can all whinge every day of the week about how Johals car is not making the power, however he has a dyno sheet, all-be-it in 3rd gear, which was done using shootout mode so temperature compensations should be accounted for to give a closer to accurate reading. The only variable is which "mode" was used. There are several different modes that can be used but generally speaking they only change the ramp rate to account for a more powerful engine that will make its power fast and hard rather then a slower engine which builds up and requires a slower ramp rate otherwise it bogs/wheelspins.
Rather then tearing him down as is the usual thing on this board, why dont you congratulate him and say well done, but you really should do it in 4th. Of course since his numbers are higher then yours that will never happen. But then my 7M which is an engine most people dislike made more power then most of you and did it with 25% less boost too so I guess thats going to rub you up the wrong way as well..... And just to rub salt in the wound, when it was tuned properly on Redcliffes dyno with the EManage it made 350rwhp @ 12psi but I guess that didnt happen either cause 7M's cant do that.
Engines differ greatly, dyno operators differ greatly. Owners need to justify why their cars make less power then others....... its a cruel world
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 00:38
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Up teh J powahs
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 00:41
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| Special Ed wrote on Thu, 10 June 2004 10:36 |
| soarer21 wrote on Thu, 10 June 2004 09:29 |
Well Mr Takai explain why my 7MGTE developed 197rwkw on 8psi boost then when stock boost is only 6psi and the car made 175 engine kw from factory?
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Unless you have a massive turbo and serious supporting mods (but as you quote stock engine figures...)
I'll explain it - you've been HAD.
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Run was done in 4th gear and was at 167km/h so I doubt the 1J in 4th would have exceeded 200.
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Poor little 7m - cant do 200 in 4th...
1j does 167 in 3rd! 110+ in second.
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its a cruel world
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only when you wish you had the J power.
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lol.. if i could swap my 1jz for his 7m, i would.. its an absolute beast
and beleive me.. he hasnt been had
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 00:43
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Interesting, as I was going to make a post asking what figures people have been getting from their cars. Saved me the effort.
I'm about to get an auto one on the road, and as long as I get 200rwhp I'll be happy. Sounds like, before the turbous maximus setup is bolted on, the car will be good for about 160rwkw which is about 215rwhp. Anything more than 200rwhp is a bonus, wohoo!
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 00:51
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hehehe.. well i shotgun a ride in ur car when its finished, 7m.. u ahve to go for a ride in mine some time this week...
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 01:19
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Now I see why they call you "Special" Ed.
Mods to the car were-
T04S (and before you get all "special" again, remember 8psi is 8psi, only difference that turbo will make at that pressure is temperature, there will be no more air available to the engine)
HKS exhaust manifold (efficiency increase)
ARC front mount
90mm exhaust
manual
K&N filter
stock ecu (with EManage later fitted for the big power run)
stock injectors
stock pump
stock afm
stock engine with HKS headgsaket
cant do 200 in 4th? wtf has that got to do with anything you tool. Was that the best insult you could come up with?
As for the 1J power wish, well I have a 1JZ in my wagon, with R154, big clutch, and a full HKS turbo kit. So you see, I have both engines and I still choose to stick with the 7M in my soarer, mainly cause idiots like you give me plenty of ammunition with which to shoot you down as you deserve. Any time you wish to line up on a dyno with me let me know, Im more the willing to embarrass you.
As for being had, well thats not worthy of a reply. MANY people will support Redcliffes work, and it was also run at Millenium Motorsport not long after and made MORE power then when it was on Redcliffes dyno (prior to boost increase and tune, dyno sheets available for proof)
Please note- the 197kw was actually on Milleniums dyno sorry, Redcliffes dyno was 186rwkw however it was done with ignition timing at 8deg rather then factory setting of 10deg static. For the millenium run I actually set it to 12deg hence the increase. Millenium use a different type of dyno as well, and it was a cooler day as well. Millenium use a Dynolog dyno, redcliffe have a DynoDynamics.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 01:29
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by the way, that 167 was the speed at which maximum power was made, which was 5850rpm. Since the 7M has a rev cut of 6500 or so (havent taken much notice) then obviously it too will run to a higher speed, however speed in gears is irrelevant to when the power is made.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 01:47
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T04S (and before you get all "special" again, remember 8psi is 8psi, only difference that turbo will make at that pressure is temperature, there will be no more air available to the engine)
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Not exactly sure what you are trying to say here so don't flame me but the only difference between a big turbo and small turbo at same psi is not temperature only, but flow aswell. As you know the bigger turbo has alot more area on the exhaust side meaning it can flow more air/gas, on the compresser side too for that matter. Pressure is always measured on the inlet side (boost), the amount of backpressure on the exaust side is the diference that makes the power. i.e. same pressure on inlet side and small backpressure on exhaust side i.e. (big turbo) will make more power than large backpressure on exhaust side i.e. (small turbo).
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 02:34
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Well that is a subject worthy of discussion.
The exhaust side of the equation is one of restriction reduction. You lose power on a stock engine because the exhaust side is small to promote low down power/early spool of the turbo. The upshot is the engine suffers in the higher RPM range. By increasing the exhaust size you decrease the restriction and allow the engine to breathe better. The down side is lag. Adding an exhaust to the car of 3inch or whatever has a similar effect.
The 7M's stock power is made at 5800rpm so I gained the power at the same RPM.....
The compressor side is one of efficiency as well. An intake with a fixed volume will only hold a certain amount of air. At 8psi with a stock turbo there will be the same volume of air, but there will be a lesser mass of air. This is due to several things.
1- the turbo is more efficient, so it does not thrash the air about as much as stock, though I feel the stock turbo will not be a bad item at that level (not counting exhaust side)
2- the piping used is less prone to flex as I have removed all the rubber sections.
3- the intercoolers efficiency is lightyears ahead of the stock cooler
therefore, the "flow" will be the same, however the mass will be increased due to a larger temperature drop. The difference between the stock turbo and the T04S is greater the further up the boost scale you go because the T04S maintains a higher level of efficiency at all times, probably increases it due to design etc.
Therefore basically the same "volume" of air was available to the engine as with the stock turbo, its just at a lesser temp and consequently has more oxygen per C.Ft then same engine with stock turbo. Thats where the power gains are made.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 04:51
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Funny thing is a supercharger setup is so much easier to understand than a turbo setup, cause in the making power with a turbo, inlet, compresser, exhaust and turbine are all interrelated. With a supercharger the inlet flow is not effected by the exhaust flow like a turbo. e.g. with a supercharger all you need to do is increase the flow of the gas on the exhaust side by exhaust port/headers/exhaust, and increase the flow on the inlet side by bigger filter/supercharger/throttlebody/manifold etc.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 07:16
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MR soarer21, it seems you know just enough to be dangerous.
Since a gas exerts pressure relative to its temperature , 8 psi is most definatley NOT 8 psi!!!
8 psi out of a pissy stock turbo is not the same as 8 psi from a more efficient larger compressor. The mass of air and hence power that can be generated will be much greater.
I am not going to post a tech artical here on something a preliminary science student could explain.
Why do you qualify your output against a stock engine output if your car is FAR from stock? And then quote out of context - you implied your engine was stock.
I qualified my response, based on that info.
Any Toyota 6 can make that grunt with your mods - it is the output of stock turbos that we are discussing here.
You must understand that when you present misleading information on any forum you will get chopped.
There is a couple of "stock" 1j's down here that would run, including mine, any day of the week. Even the parts ute.
Dyno day is coming.
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 07:27
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Eddie Eddie Eddie, seems you only read sufficient of a persons post to create another or your silly rants. But then if your on a roll why not stick to it hey?
At NO point did I say me engine was stock, I merely gave the stock output of an engine as comparison, the fact you assumed something which wasnt the case is your own doing, not mine.
Im not feeling chopped, certainly not from your feeble attempts.. Why dont you jump into the back of your ute and bark at passing cars instead, you will have more success there
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Re: Johal and jakes 1jz and 3t gte dyno outing
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Thu, 10 June 2004 07:54
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How many times do you want to contradict yourself in one tech explanation ?
You still have not addressed the fact that you are fundamentally wrong in your main assertion - ie. that any 8psi of air is equal to any other 8 psi.
And tell me again how a small exhaust (from a stock turbo)prevents early boost production ? hence lost top end power?
And how a 3 inch exhaust causes lag...
I dont need ( and never intended )to chop you, you'll set yourself up, all on your own.
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