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 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Tue, 03 September 2002 12:01
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Stoopid argument with friend, I figured the best resource for this question is you guys.
Fastest 1/4Mile?
Highest Topspeed?
1 Lap of Nagayo Raceway?
Ive figured Supra, Supra and the last Supra (having both drivers being professionals).
This is based on information from supercars.net
What are your thoughts?
jimothy
PS. I do know this is very childish... :oP
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Tue, 03 September 2002 12:04
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Definetly a Skyline for the quarter.
Possibly the Supra for the top speed, but given the Skylines rev range would be close, most likely 260kph+.
The Skyline would definetly be the fastest around the track too, better brakes, stiffer suspension...
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Tue, 03 September 2002 15:29
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do you have specs on both these cars? IE output, mass, driveline ect.....
My bet would be for similarly weighed and powered cars.. the RWD would kick arse out of the AWD (which i suspect the skyline is). Although quater times to benifit form AWD, once on a track, forget the other 2 diffs
J
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Tue, 03 September 2002 23:55
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I've had read many reports & watched many video's on both cars when I was working out what to buy (then I bough my Soarer  )
Anyway, skyline is a little quicker in the 1/4mile, but apparently a LOT harder to get there at that speed, Apparently a less experienced driver can jump into a supra & mash their foot with ease. Though the Supra takes the cake when running 1000meters.
They both have the same STOCK power due to Jap laws, 280ps
but from all accounts it is cheaper/easier to get crazy horses out of the 2jz, though there are quite a few monster skylines around also.
And on the topic of handling, I've read a few reports from "proffesional" type racers/drivers stating that although the AWD system on the skyline is technically brilliant, it dosen't translate onto the road, and lacks responsivness somewhat.
Although the Supra being less advanced and RWD is much more predictable & easier to find your limits on, generally giving better track times.
I've seen supra's beat ferrari's & porshes around the track,and absolutely cut them to pieces on the straights.
BTW from all accounts, I'd probably still prefer an R32 GTR (Godzilla) to and R33/R34
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 00:37
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Well, they both have "206kW", they both weigh 1500-1600kg stock.
The Supra has more torque, and in a rolling start does pretty well for this reason, but in a flat out drag the GTR is pretty mental. A TT Supra stock will crack a 13-sec quarter, whereas as Skyline on many occasions before with a decent driver cracked a high 12.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 00:54
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That reminds me, in a recent test in Motor mag (or maybe Wheels, can't remember) they tested an R34 GTR skyline with a commodore.. the GTR was rated at "206kW", but put more than this out at the wheels on the dyno  I think the 206kW is some limit set by Japan on power outputs, but what the jap car makers say they put out and what they actually do are two different things...
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 00:58
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I think that was a R34 GTR N1. And yeah, was funny, rated at 206kW at the engine, yet it has 216kW at the wheels, now THATS and efficient driveline.
Some other magazine, I think HPI was comparing them a while back. They both put out around the same power stock, a little more in favour of the GTR. Then with simple mods, like exhaust, boost etc. the Skyline still put out a bit more. IT was when you started fitting larger turbos to the Supra that it started to flex its muscles.
The Skylines advantage over the quarter, is the simple fact that it has four wheels pulling it from the line.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 00:59
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Mind you, I think the later model Supras with the monster brakes and the vvti engine would be another story...
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 01:50
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Also in the article gtr VS gto (skyline vs monaro - like the general had a chance!!) It was a GTR N1. It was in wheels. In that article the tester said "this is the best handling car I've ever driven". Now that has to mean something!! I don't think the supra would get the balance that the skyline has.
But the R32's where better still...
Tim.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 01:57
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The Supra's main enemy tends to be its size. I've read many reviews of both the GTR and the Supra, and they are both awesomely balanced, and well handling cars. They always also say about the way the four-wheel drive trickery of the Skyline, makes it feel much nimbler and lighter than its weight would suggest.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 04:21
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The '206' kw is what the japs have to cap their performance cars figures to to satisfy their RTA regulations ... although a lot of their cars pass that mark !!!
 
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 04:25
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Haha, yeah, like pretty much 99% of cars that claim to have 206kW.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 06:37
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such as the 1gz-FE ...
5 litre V12, and puts out "208"kw
yeah, uh huh
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 07:34
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 04 September 2002 10:28 |
rated at 206kW at the engine, yet it has 216kW at the wheels, now THATS and efficient driveline.
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where u get one of those drivlines. lol
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 14:33
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I dunno ey, should get one for my Celica, it needs all the help it can get!
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Wed, 04 September 2002 16:55
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If you pull the cars apart i think the GTR would have it over the Supra in most places. Hex Throttles, ATTESSA 4wd system, and 400cc less capacity yet still keeps the pace.
But for me i simply CANNOT go past RWD, even if it is a GTR 4wd system 
Heard a rumour that R32s can be made RWD by removing a fuse? Urban legend?
Tho after all is said and done, Supra is the one id park in my driveway.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Thu, 05 September 2002 00:00
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Nah, its true. The GTR is pretty much RWD most of the time, until its computers detect slip, when it directs torque forwards.
With all of them, you can remove a fuse from the Atessa computer which controls all of this and make them RWD...they often use it for burnouts in the drag GTR's.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Thu, 05 September 2002 00:17
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and THATS how I'd leave my GTR if I had one hehe.
I did read an article somewhere stating that although the handling of the GTR is technologically unbeleivably, it lacks somthing in the flesh & feels as though it should be driven by a robot, & not by man.
No I dunno, some of you may think this is great, but I like to find some sort of link with the car I'm driving. I need to be able to feel the road, & feel how comfortable my car is on it.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Thu, 05 September 2002 10:48
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The skyline is definately the faster car down the quarter and around a track. The R34 when it first came out was the fastest production car ever to go around Nurburgring.
The Supra is nice and all but to me it's more of a grand tourer than the GTR.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Thu, 05 September 2002 10:57
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I think you pretty much summed up the camps right there. Mind you, with a little less weight again, the Supra would be awesome...
But I think they went crazy removing weight anyway...did you know they made the fibres in the carpet hollow to save weight???
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Fri, 06 September 2002 00:18
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JCMF, if I had a JZA80, I prolly would rip everything out of it...
It's a great car, but is severely hampered by its weight.
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Re: 1993 Supra TT vs 1999 Skyline R34 GT-R
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Fri, 06 September 2002 00:23
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Yeah, I know dude, I'd be rippin' stuff out of it too. The thing is, they already did some pretty crazy stuff to make it lighter.
They managed to get the weight down a heap over the Mk3, even though they added things like air-bags, bigger brakes and wheels etc...
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