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melbourne
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December 2003
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Mon, 14 June 2004 08:21
 
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do you want to do a stock rebuild or a rebuild for performance ?
definate inclusions if you intend to rebuild ..
Metal head gasket ( trd or HKS )
Arp head studs ..
that will cure most of the inherit stock problems with the 3sgte
outside of that - open your wallet and let the fun begin
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Location:
melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Mon, 14 June 2004 10:21
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i just need to know the parts i need,
then i can decide whether to go for stock parts or performance parts.
thanks.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Mon, 14 June 2004 10:36
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basic rebuild would be piston rings , bearings , seals + gaskets , a new cambelt and other consumables ..
are you looking for particular part numbers ?
If you shop around , most of the good performance parts are not that much more expensive than stock ..
a head gasket for example - between stock and TRD , was about 40 dollars
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Location:
South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Mon, 14 June 2004 11:16
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(hijack)
Where do you guys get all your TRD parts from?
(/hijack)
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Mon, 14 June 2004 11:40
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i get mine thru penrith toyota if i need to get stuff for myself.
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Location:
melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Mon, 14 June 2004 23:56
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nup not after particular part numbers..
is it worth getting hks camshaft and cam gears?
also which injectors can i get for this engine?
thanks.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Tue, 15 June 2004 02:36
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injectors - well supra 2jzgte ones ( 550 odd cc ) or st205 ones plug directly in , but its not worth getting these unless you start to go silly with Hp
Same applies for the camshafts - they are good - but unless your chasing over 200KW at the wheels in a gt4 - its not really worth it ..
Put your money into rebuilding the motor with forgies , a good head gasket , arp head studs ( A MUST ) and get the head cleaned up a bit and youll find the resposniveness + stewenth of the motor will increase quite a bit ..
if you have any spare - maybe get your turbo highflowed , or install a more efficient intercooler .
with bolt ons - on a Gt4 - the stock bottom end is pretty tough and should handle upwards to 150 KW at the wheels without much problem if the headgasket + studs are seen to ..
Once again you need to outlay what your goals are ..
for example im chasing 200 + kilowatts at the wheels so ive had my 3sgte built as tough as i possibly can ..
ive also invested in an upgraded ecu + injectors, forged pistons, a group a Intercooler ( water to air ), st205 cams , shim under buckets ( this is a custom modification ), st205 rods + arp rod bolts, TRD heavy duty bearings, a TRD metal headgasket and arp headstuds and plan on either replacing the turbo or highflowing it in the near future .
with the stuff i have - the motor should be overill for the horsepoer im chasing but at least i know it can handle the power increases if needed .
it also hasnt been cheap ( more than 3 grand so far )!
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Location:
melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Tue, 15 June 2004 03:33
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thanks for the good advice classique..
do you mean get forged pistons and rods?
i've looked around the net and i've found that Blitz and Jun make forged pistons for the 3s-gte and are quite pricey.
which forged pistons did you use?
also i want to do one major rebuild. so i want to get all the parts i can, take the engine out, rebuild it, put the engine back in, and not have to take it out again.
is this a good plan?
because the car is running ok, i should have enough time to save up and buy the parts i need. (although the oil coming from the turbo is worrying me abit)
thanks.
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Location:
melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Tue, 15 June 2004 07:58
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| Classique71 wrote on Mon, 14 June 2004 20:36 |
basic rebuild would be piston rings , bearings , seals + gaskets , a new cambelt and other consumables ..
are you looking for particular part numbers ?
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are you able to get me these part numbers?
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Tue, 15 June 2004 08:45
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try and stay away from the " namebrands " , as ive found most buts can be supplied locally for alot less
Im using st205 rods from toyota , topped with JE forged pistons .. these are held together with arp rod bolts
(eagle make forged pistons to suit as well , JE are more locally available ) Rings are chromoly items ..
in parts alone the setup for pistons + rods etc is worth close to 2 grand , not cheap but about as strong as you can possibly get
My theeory is suffer the pain once for a proper full on rebuild , instead of putting piece by piece together
if you get the block + head right the first time - the rest of the gear ( exhausts cams etc ) are bolt on - you dont need to pull the block out again in theory..
re parts numbers - visit your local toyota dealer , or hassle Autopro , i dont have the part numbers for my buts as yet
( engine builder dude has all the peperwork )
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Location:
melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Tue, 15 June 2004 09:15
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thanks spectral, if it is not too much trouble please do add the toyota part numbers.
also classique..
who is building your engine..? where are you getting it done?
what are some places with good experience with these engines?
thanks a heap guys this thread will be of great help to me.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Tue, 15 June 2004 09:33
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um - the guy building mine is a bit of a funny one .. 
he only does motors for " projects of interest , or friends "
hes an ex toyota/Ford cosworth rally team engineer. Its being built in ballarat
Its very unlikely he'll take on another after the dramas so far with mine !outside of that - i dunno who else would take one on ..
might be time to let the fingers do the walking thru the yellow pages - or post a " engine rebuilders in melb " thread
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Tue, 15 June 2004 23:22
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Stuart, why don't you build it yourself? Its fun, educational and most of all, doesn't cost you a mint in labour?
madman : I've added most the part numbers above.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Location:
melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Fri, 13 August 2004 00:41
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hey guys.. sorry to bring this thread back up from the dead but i have few more questions regarding my rebuild.
do i need new pistons?
my engine bay gets very hot after a hard drive. so hot that i can feel the heat being pushed out if i stand outside next to it when it is idling. is this normal?
i plan on getting the CS front bar perhaps this will help.
these are the things i have decided to with the engine..
keep it rather stock.
trd head gasket..
rebuild block with those parts spectral posted
rebuild turbo (hi flow ?? i dunno yet)
arp head studs and rod bolts..
replace injectors with stock new ones.
is there anything else i should do ?
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Location:
Wahroonga
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June 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Fri, 13 August 2004 01:00
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you should get a larger turbo, forged pistons, Stroked crank with con rods to match. and of course the titanium value springs are a must.
bugger that off, get 2 3S heads make a custom block and attach the heads to the block for a wildly insane 3S V8.
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Location:
VIC, Sth Frankston.
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July 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Fri, 13 August 2004 01:47
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Madman, if you don't mind me saying, a complete rebuild from a problem that started as oil around the turbo, are you MAD?!?
If it still runs smooth, why do you need new injectors?
I dunno, i've rebuilt my engine before, but that was for a rod bearing that turned into powder. Be prepared to spend plenty of money.
Cheers,
James
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Location:
melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Fri, 13 August 2004 02:06
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i want to get this done get all the big expenses out of the way, then i have to start investing in a property.
i've saved up most of the money for the rebuild just want to get it out of the way now. i'm only 21 but the sooner i start investing the better.
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Fri, 13 August 2004 02:18
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depending on how word your bore is - will decide if you need new pistons or not ..
if you do - yo have a good choice - stock st205 ones are relatively cheap and plenty good enough for minor power increases , though if you plan to up boost and go your highflow - id really suggest saving up for a decent set of forgies ..
your stock injectors can be cleaned if nees - be or just run thru a few tanks of optimax - this will usually de gum them anyway
Your heat problem is a Gt4 problem - the car has inadequite cooling stock - from front AND from getting heat out from under the bonnet ..
get the CS bar IF you can afford it - its not cheap - or start cutting speed holes ..
Oh and the rebuld - have about 4 to 5 K if you dont plan to do the work yourself ..
Youll easily burn thru this
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Location:
melbourne
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December 2003
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Re: 3s-gte rebuild info please...
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Tue, 17 August 2004 09:45
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yeh i'm getting the clutch done too...
is it worth getting a lightened flywheel? would there be any noticable power increase?
once the rebuild is done i am going to get the exhaust, wheels and suspension done and that would be it for this car
i already love driving it as it is.. cant wait to see how it would run with a rebuilt motor.
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