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Wollongong, NSW
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April 2004
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Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sat, 19 June 2004 12:51
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Don't you just love a post with a title like that....
driving along fairly quickly on a twisty road, I hear a knocking noise from the engine on my celica. I was a couple of kays from home - so I thought...I'll nurse it home slow and see what it is. Got about 500m down the road and the engine seizes. Trust me, it's the worst feeling in the world. Seeing the celica on the back of a tow truck wasn't something I want to replicate...
I had a look at some celica forums and apparently these engines have a bit of propensity to bend exhaust valves. That scares me - with all that variable lift stuff in there - it's probably going to need a new head, etc...I don't think it's going to be cheap to fix. 
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sat, 19 June 2004 12:52
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id try and source another motor out of a wrecked car mate....its gonna be the cheapest at the end of the day!
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Location:
Wollongong, NSW
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April 2004
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sat, 19 June 2004 13:00
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you reckon? I That engine is going to be expensive. come to think of it, I can't recall ever seeing one at a wreckers - or a front cut.
I'll be ringing wreckers on monday though....
I'm just hoping the bottom end isn't too damaged. The bores on those motors are only 5.5mm apart, and they are metal matrix. Apparently you can't overbore them at all.
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Brisbane
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June 2003
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Sat, 19 June 2004 13:06
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if its seized, you must have grabbed a bore with a piston or something..in which case throw away the engine!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sat, 19 June 2004 13:33
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if you have to throw it away, would you like to donate it to charity  i'm keen to see how one of these could fit up to an old corolla 
if you can, pull the engine down and see whats wrong...
pull off cam covers and see if valves still move, then pull the head and see if the bottom end turns over..
yup, being an alloy block, the bores are usually high silicon and if overbored become much less wear resistant..
good luck!!
Cya, Stewart
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The Eastwood MASSIVE !
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May 2003
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sat, 19 June 2004 13:36
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Dam man , that is no good at all. 
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June 2004
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sun, 20 June 2004 02:15
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Switch1 on the newcelica.org forum had his engine seize too. He misshifted and overreved the engine, then when toyota repaired it, they stuffed something up then it seized a few weeks later. They quoted him a fortune to fix it.
He ended up getting a complete new engine for 2.5k. Best of all it had only had 800m on the clock!!!
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?s=& amp;threadid=130792
The place that sourced the engine for him was called Bezerkly automotive (http://www.bezerkly.com/) and that may be your best bet to get things sorted if your car is not under warranty :)
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I supported Toymods
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melbourne.victoria.austra...
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June 2002
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sun, 20 June 2004 04:48
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speak with meridian motorsport they also get these engines.
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Location:
Sydney, OZ
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May 2002
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sun, 20 June 2004 09:16
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if you have to throw it away, would you like to donate it to charity i'm keen to see how one of these could fit up to an old corolla
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My thoughts exactly... make a good IP car
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Location:
Campbelltown NSW
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October 2003
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sun, 20 June 2004 10:23
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i know of a few of these motors that have had there oil pumps fall to bits, which could have been the start of your probs, im guessing its not under waranty?
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Club Member
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Sydney, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Sun, 20 June 2004 10:28
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2000 model Celica... 3 years warranty... Any chance you have extracare???
Either that or see a Toyota dealer and try a warranty approach... This will only go through if you have had all your services done at 10,000km intervals and never missed one...
We had an Avalon at work a few weeks ago... 40,000kms, never been serviced... Siezed... Oil sludgy as... Engine requires rebuild and no warranty...
Best bet for you if warranty is not an option, source a new head from Japan... That ofcourse if the head is the problem...
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Location:
Wollongong, NSW
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April 2004
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Wed, 23 June 2004 10:09
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Just an update...
I took it to a toyota dealer - they pulled the motor out of the car, it has destroyed the big end bearing on No.1 Piston, and in doing so, damaged the rod, crank and main caps. Apparently the bores are ok. It is out of factory warranty 3yr/100000km) but the dealer is putting in an out of warranty claim on toyota (as the car only has 68000kms on it) to see if they can get the cost of fixing it paid by them.
I have been told to fix they have to replace the entire short motor (it's cheaper than buying a crank, caps, rods and assembling it) and that is going to cost $3500 (ballpark). The head is apparently ok...thankgod. I'm going to go and have a look at it tomorrow - If I can I'll take some pics.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Wed, 23 June 2004 11:39
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Fingers crossed that you get it paid for!
so... do you get to keep the block??
if so, i'll give you a few $$ for it (or borrow?) and you keep all good bits...
i am really really keen to see how these fit in KE10's 
good luck with it!!
Cya, Stewart
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Wed, 23 June 2004 12:02
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they wont give him any of the old parts. but you might be lucky and theyll pay for it, i know honda do it alot, better for their reputation but i dont remember toyota doing it when i worked at one of their dealerships. 
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Location:
Wollongong
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May 2002
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Thu, 24 June 2004 00:19
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Toyota didn't even want to talk to me when mine was 6 months out of warranty, only had 60,000km on it and the engine 'blew'.
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Location:
Wollongong, NSW
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April 2004
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Thu, 24 June 2004 02:04
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I doubt I'll ever get to keep the dead parts.
Why would you want to put this in a KE10? Isn't a KE10 rear wheel drive? No RWD gearbox exists to bolt up to this, so you'd need to make a custom bellhousing, etc...
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Location:
Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Thu, 24 June 2004 02:08
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this is not the first time I have heard of 2ZZs loosing the plot pretty early in life..
sux dude
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Location:
Campbelltown, NSW, Austra...
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January 2004
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Thu, 24 June 2004 07:29
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You could put a 3s-fe in it, mines done 206,000 and hasn't siezed.
Seriously that really sucks, it might be a common design flaw.
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Location:
melb
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June 2003
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Thu, 24 June 2004 09:10
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Push the toyota dealer hard, if they dont do anything 4 u ring the toyota head office cust assistance line, toyota are norm petty good about just out warranty claims
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Thu, 24 June 2004 13:30
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>>>I doubt I'll ever get to keep the dead parts.
bugger.
>>>Why would you want to put this in a KE10?
because i like to be a little different, amd the spec of the motor appeal to me.. 180Nm at 6000+rpm, current emissions.
>>>Isn't a KE10 rear wheel drive? No RWD gearbox exists to bolt up to this, so you'd need to make a custom bellhousing, etc...
and this is a problem how?
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Location:
Wollongong, NSW
Registered:
April 2004
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Fri, 25 June 2004 06:39
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Good news guys...very good news.
Toyota is covering the parts for the engine 'malfunction'. Which is $6500 worth of parts. I have to pay the labour, $1700. Pretty good dor a car 1 year 2 months out of warranty...
I was pretty pleased (a bit of an understatement). Apparently I'll have the car back end of next week/early the week after.
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Banned user
Location:
ADELAIDE - The Drift City
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: Seized my 2ZZ-GE
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Fri, 25 June 2004 11:36
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so what was the cause?
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