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Hi guys, i am just wondering what sort of aftermarket ECU's you are all running on JZ series engines and what kind of success and downfalls you have all had. rough costs and whether CDI's are needed, whether after market coils had to be used or not.
i have doen some research through ZUBZERO up here in qld and they have had great success with Microtechs on their 2j's.
i have done a few searches here on toymods and have seen a few articles, i have seen a few people dish out on the microtechs though.
your help would be greatly appreciated.
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Thu, 08 July 2004 04:38
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the people that dish out the microtechs are people who have no idea what they are doing with them, had a tuner that has no idea or tryed to install it them self and totally messed it up.
the new LTs range are one of the best ecu's on the market for a budget, they all have 32bit processors etc,
the microtechs run great on any motor if they are installed and tuned correctly, when these are done right you will have no problems at all,
the stock coils will be fine when using a LTXs series, depending on weather you want to run 3 waste spark or 6 single coils depends on what ecu you use.
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Thu, 08 July 2004 04:41
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i have been looking at the ltx12s with 4 bar map sensor or an autronic. but it looks as though the autronic will be a hefty amount more expensive.
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Thu, 08 July 2004 04:44
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yes it will be a lot more expansive,
Im not 100% sure weather the 40psi map sensors are ready yet, the last one i have got have had 3bar map sensors on them,
im about to call him so ill ask him for you
dale
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Thu, 08 July 2004 04:46
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i was emailing a guy from newcaslte the other day and he said he had one installed with the 4 bar map sensor about 2 months ago.
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Thu, 08 July 2004 04:50
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ill let you know shortly,
a few test units have been done with the 45psi map sensors but i dont know weather full production has been started on them yet
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 04:52
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cool,
i see your a micro tech dealer, what sort of money would one of these be worth.
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Thu, 08 July 2004 04:56
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just spoke to him,
ok there are only test units out there at the moment, the map sensors will be in next week hopefully,
the LTX12s with 45psi map is $1595
Dale
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 06:51
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The E6X is great ECU but it has one downfall, it wont compensate for your small dick because it doesnt have a hand controller 
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 07:34
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 14:51 |
The E6X is great ECU but it has one downfall, it wont compensate for your small dick because it doesnt have a hand controller
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Errrr, wtf?
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 07:49
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Dale:
do you know why the microtech dash is not compatible with the LTX12?
pipe dream: get rid of just about all of the stock wiring. Run the things that the LTX12 needs and connect it to the microtech dash. (get rid of chaser dash). get an auto that isn't computer controlled fitted.
that was a long term plan anyway But then I noticed that the LTX12 isn't compatible with the dash. do you know if it will be in the future?
thanks
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 07:50
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| CrUZsida wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 17:34 |
| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 14:51 |
The E6X is great ECU but it has one downfall, it wont compensate for your small dick because it doesnt have a hand controller
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Errrr, wtf?
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What cant you understand?
If your not well endowed in the downstairs department, you need a microtech + hand controller to compensate for it.
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 07:52
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| Chris Davey wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 17:49 |
Dale:
do you know why the microtech dash is not compatible with the LTX12?
pipe dream: get rid of just about all of the stock wiring. Run the things that the LTX12 needs and connect it to the microtech dash. (get rid of chaser dash). get an auto that isn't computer controlled fitted.
that was a long term plan anyway But then I noticed that the LTX12 isn't compatible with the dash. do you know if it will be in the future?
thanks
chris
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Those microtech dash units are mega expensive 
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 08:00
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 15:50 |
| CrUZsida wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 17:34 |
| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 14:51 |
The E6X is great ECU but it has one downfall, it wont compensate for your small dick because it doesnt have a hand controller
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Errrr, wtf?
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What cant you understand?
If your not well endowed in the downstairs department, you need a microtech + hand controller to compensate for it.
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Err, why not be normal and just use the laptop to program it???
And its a helluva lot cheaper to buy a $250 hand controller than a 1200 lappie
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Thu, 08 July 2004 08:06
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Well, shucks. Thanks, Cool1  .......... I think   
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 08:38
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 Sorry i'm not saying you have a small bit of manhood. Just saying thats the hand controller appeals to people that do.
I would prefer the E6X over a hand controller anyday.
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Thu, 08 July 2004 08:43
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 16:38 |
Sorry i'm not saying you have a small bit of manhood. Just saying thats the hand controller appeals to people that do.
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Hand controllers are ghey.
Laptop all the way
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Thu, 08 July 2004 11:40
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 17:52 |
| Chris Davey wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 17:49 |
Dale:
do you know why the microtech dash is not compatible with the LTX12?
pipe dream: get rid of just about all of the stock wiring. Run the things that the LTX12 needs and connect it to the microtech dash. (get rid of chaser dash). get an auto that isn't computer controlled fitted.
that was a long term plan anyway But then I noticed that the LTX12 isn't compatible with the dash. do you know if it will be in the future?
thanks
chris
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Those microtech dash units are mega expensive
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saw them for $495 which I think is pretty reasonable. I wouldn't want to think how much a MOTEC dash is 
also, I would just get a $300 old laptop to tune on and type up assignments At present I don't need a programmable computer though so I will let you people chat
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Thu, 08 July 2004 12:22
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Ahh sorry your right. I was thinking of a Motec dash which are about 4k
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Thu, 08 July 2004 22:16
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| Chris Davey wrote on Thu, 08 July 2004 17:49 |
Dale:
do you know why the microtech dash is not compatible with the LTX12?
pipe dream: get rid of just about all of the stock wiring. Run the things that the LTX12 needs and connect it to the microtech dash. (get rid of chaser dash). get an auto that isn't computer controlled fitted.
that was a long term plan anyway But then I noticed that the LTX12 isn't compatible with the dash. do you know if it will be in the future?
thanks
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the dash is compatable with the LTX12, i run one in my car from my LTX12 and my LTX12s with no problems at all,
the dash can be used on all ecus from MT4 to LTX12s,
having the handset is a big bonus if you want to change a small thing it saves booting up the laptop etc bit of a pain to program a full ecu with it compared to the laptop software but as you say it is much cheaper than a laptop
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Thu, 08 July 2004 22:20
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thanks Dale.
I read on some site that it was only compatible with the lt8 and something else? Suppose you proved that wrong
thanks again.
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Thu, 08 July 2004 22:26
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they work with every ecu from about 1998 on, some of the early MT8 needed a software upgrade to run the dash,
the only thing that would be nice on the dash is a speed readout
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Fri, 09 July 2004 00:14
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come on guys, shorly there are other people running aftermarket ecu's that can comment.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 00:50
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Danish uses LTX12. Draven did, don't know now?
Skip and Slylux running Haltechs.
that is all the people I can think of?
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Fri, 09 July 2004 01:35
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I'm running an A'PEXi PowerFC in my Soarer 1JZ. No issues at all. Unplug factory ECU, plug in PowerFC.
Tuning done by hand controller or (available soon) laptop.
Definitely the easiest route for my car. $1500 for ECU & controller. Another $400 for integrated boost control with 3 bar MAP sensor.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 01:39
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| Soarer wrote on Fri, 09 July 2004 11:35 |
I'm running an A'PEXi PowerFC in my Soarer 1JZ. No issues at all. Unplug factory ECU, plug in PowerFC.
Tuning done by hand controller or (available soon) laptop.
Definitely the easiest route for my car. $1500 for ECU & controller. Another $400 for integrated boost control with 3 bar MAP sensor.
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just wondering if you used this when you were auto? or did you connect it after the manual conversion?
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Fri, 09 July 2004 02:51
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ems all the way for me.
i have a 3sgte no problems at all, has been great has all the options needed etc...
also i have a mate with a 2j in the jz80 also controlled by ems, a mate with a soarer 1j motor with ems and again no problems, all cars have different tuners and they seem as good as each other. idsle is perfect, not much extra was needed if anything
no coils were needed, no extras.... costs well it depends on what u want there are now 3 types of ems systems
stinger
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8192 (or something like that)
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Fri, 09 July 2004 04:56
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I'd only recommend Autronic..
I have used Haltec E6S and wasn't impressed, so sold it and purchased Autronic and wouldn't look back.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 05:06
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what werent you impressed about the haltech and why are you impressed with the autronic, what made you purchase the autroni over the others on the market after you found you didnt like the haltech.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 05:08
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J
if you have ever tryed to tune a haltech you will understand why he didnt like it,
autronic are bloody great computers but come at a price,
dale
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Fri, 09 July 2004 05:19
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Yeah tuning, interference problems from the sensors, car just never ran how I wanted it to. Ignition timing never seemed very consistant. You could watch it with a timing light and would vary a few degrees.
I was pissed off few months later a newer E6K came out, but no upgrade for the E6S.
With Autronic when they bring out a new release you can purchase just the chip for a few hundred dollars.
So changed to Autronic and never had a single problem, feels like it is running a factory ECU in terms of driveability.
It did cost a few hundred more but IMHO was well worth it.
When I changed from 290cc injectors or so to 550cc, I just changed a figure in the autronic setup that is determined by engine size, injector size, etc, and it ran beautifully. I did get it tuned again on the dyno, but just goes to show how good it is at controlling larger injectors.
I could rave on and on about the Autronic but yeah.. I've recommended it to some mates who have since purchased them and running them and they all speak highly also.
My tuner (Hitman) agrees they are a good system too.
CHeers
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Fri, 09 July 2004 05:29
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Ahh sorry didn't answer why I picked Autronic next...
Well the company I was working for at the time was a distributor of Autronic and I got to see them installed and tuned on a lot of cars.
From what I could tell at the time was Autronic and Motec were the top players.. They are basically the same, except Autronic doesn't come with the documentation/support that Motec comes with (supposedly Motec support factory sensors better also).
They originally were designed by partners, but they split and one went off to continue Autronic and one went off with Motec.
I couldn't justify the extra 1k or so for a Motec just for documentation and better support of sensors.
The Autronic runs my factory water temp sensor fine. Autronic supplys the air temp sensor. I had to change to a variable 0 - 5v TPS, which most newer engines use anyway.
Cheers
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Fri, 09 July 2004 05:31
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Well I run EMS dualsport (which is fairly old now) on a 1ggte and had nuthin but problems. I guess because i was taking it to dickheads who didn't know what they were doing in the first place. I even got stuffed around by an EMS dealer also.
I had my 1g finally tuned by an ecu genius who doesn't really favour EMS either but we got 134rwkw on 9psi!
He reckons a haltech E6x should do the trick.
Moral of the story is, it doesn't matter what ECU u go for, just make sure u get someone who knows what they are doing!!
Or if u r keen do it yourself!
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Fri, 09 July 2004 05:39
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from what i am hearing, it would appear that basically choose who you want to tune the car, and purchase the type of ecu they deal with everyday. would this seem like a good angle of attack?
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Fri, 09 July 2004 06:40
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All of the ECU's mention above are good as each other. Its only the motec that stands out from the rest.
10sec_rx7 you really have no place at all in this thread because you are obviously biased toward the microtech. You defiantly have no right to say | Quote: |
if you have ever tryed to tune a haltech you will understand why he didnt like it
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I have been around places tuning the Haltechs and they have had no problem at all.
You should also think about what would happen if Microtech saw this thread, You would be stripped from being a dealer with no questions asked.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 06:41
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| ..J.. wrote on Fri, 09 July 2004 15:39 |
from what i am hearing, it would appear that basically choose who you want to tune the car, and purchase the type of ecu they deal with everyday. would this seem like a good angle of attack?
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This is exactly right.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 06:44
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spot on j.
i know tuners that will recommend haltec and swear by them, and other swaering by EMS its all a matter of opioin really. But really that needs to be backed up by a good tuner.
ie haltec recomment hitman (matt) has tuned lots of very quick cars (one that i know really well is "toy.12a" daniel the car runs low9s) . has a website http://www.hitman.hm/
Ems - steve at premmier mt druitt 98323233
- Dave at F & E mechancial in wetheral park (only have his mob, and not going to give it out if u want pm me)
for these tuners i have given u i swear by them i have seen there tunes and experianced them all and they are always second to none.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 06:58
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yep, well said COOL1 !!
I also agree with the fact that Motecs are the go if u wanna pay the price.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 07:00
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Redcliffe Dyno who currently have the most powerful Cleveland also do great work with the Haltechs.
http://www.redcliffedyno.com/
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Fri, 09 July 2004 08:19
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OK if you are out of the city then you really have to find a tuner you trust before you start looking at what computer to buy. There is no point buying a computer that nobody in your town can tune.
My advice would be to speak to some locals with programmable management and find out who programs them, don't worry about what engine they're on it really doesn't matter. But find out who has got good results from wich computer and wich tuner then go from there.
My view on the whole wich computer to use comes down a lot to you get what you pay for. The Autronic is in a different league to a Microtech and are aimed at different markets.
The Microtech is fine for making power and they've shown that again and again with the drag results. My concern would be the drivability and smoothness along with lack of features compared to a more expensive computer.
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Fri, 09 July 2004 23:42
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| Joshstix wrote on Fri, 09 July 2004 18:19 |
OK if you are out of the city then you really have to find a tuner you trust before you start looking at what computer to buy. There is no point buying a computer that nobody in your town can tune.
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to add onto that: from what I have heard there is nobody in the South East Queensland area that tunes EMS. So anyone in South East Queensland can rule that one out
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| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 09 July 2004 16:40 |
All of the ECU's mention above are good as each other. Its only the motec that stands out from the rest.
10sec_rx7 you really have no place at all in this thread because you are obviously biased toward the microtech. You defiantly have no right to say | Quote: |
if you have ever tryed to tune a haltech you will understand why he didnt like it
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I have been around places tuning the Haltechs and they have had no problem at all.
You should also think about what would happen if Microtech saw this thread, You would be stripped from being a dealer with no questions asked.
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imo dale does have a place in this thread as he probably knows more about tuning aftermarket ECUs (*not just microtech) than the rest of you combined. not to mention one of the most honest and helpful people i have ever come across in the car 'scene'.
microtech will not have a problem with him making the above comments.
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| pro_ke wrote on Sat, 10 July 2004 15:22 |
microtech will not have a problem with him making the above comments.
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Yeah what ever you reckon.
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imo dale does have a place in this thread as he probably knows more about tuning aftermarket ECUs (*not just microtech) than the rest of you combined.
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As far as I am aware tuning is not Dale's full time job, ( I could be wrong? ) if thats so how does that make him better qualified to give information than anyone else?
If anything I agree with Cool1 questions of this sort should be answered by those people who have purchased and are using the ecu's every day .. most tuner/installers will always give a biased view... if it was your livelyhood wouldnt you?.
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Re: aftermarket ecu's
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Tue, 07 September 2004 12:07
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Just wondering how much the standard ecu for the 1j's can support (say a jza70). Like rear wheel kw figure etc or something like that. If i were chasing about 225 rwkw could a standard ecu on the 1j handle that ? or is it unlikely.
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