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reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 14:02
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I've just bought a GT4 90 model from a guy in Brissie.It has 240 thou on the clock. Compression is still good. Puts out a bit of black smoke on the drive when i warm it up in the morning. There a reciepts for work on everything but the engine so i thought that might the be the first stop. So i am looking for some advice on who is good for the job of reconditioning this engine locally. I'm hoping to find someone who won't want me to sell my children to pay.
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 14:13
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yeah that would be good, but i'm sorry i don't know anyone that would specifically like to work on that engine, how ever when you find a good place can you let me know i wouldn't mind knowing a place would like to work on a 3sge also ~yes i'm aware that yours in a Turbo~
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 14:14
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black smoke is fuel, so its just running rich.
Probably just needs an AFM adjustment or something. They run rich from the factory anyway.
If you pay someone to reco the engine, you won't get much change from $3000. The labour to yank the engine and put it back in would be near $1000.
If you need an extra done like new pistons if you need a rebore (probably likely after 240000), then the price starts to rise steeply.
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 14:18
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well if what you say is true, maybe sounds like a dyno tune is in the market, there is apparently a guy on the goldcoast that is good, i haven't used him as yet still working on getting my engine, a stock ecu remapped would be ideal. if you know of anyplace that can do it, can you pass them on to me too. altho mine will probably end up being a jap ECU for the 202.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 14:22
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You can't remap a stock Toyota 3SGTE ECU without some form of hardware change. Whether it be a total chip replacement (Powerchip), piggyback ECU (ie S-AFC), or entire ECU swap (Haltech etc).
I've used both Chiptorque and Carb-n-ject and both were very good. I was impressed with the work Matthew Spry from Chiptorque did on a Haltech E6K a while back for a friend.
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 15:42
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Call W.M Motor sport ar Brendale.
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Rocky Mountains, Canada
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May 2002
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 17:20
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If its only blowing black smoke while its warming up, and fuel consumption is ok, i wouldnt worry about it... its not going to cause any problems.
But since its a new car for you, it might be worth putting on the dyno anyway to make sure everything is ok.
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 22:48
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so is the ECU from the jap spec 202 able to be reprogrammed? or does tha too require a piggy-back computer/aftermarket ecu?
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Brisbane
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July 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sat, 10 July 2004 22:57
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thanks for that,
I spoke to a guy at Geebung who said he can do a 'in chassis' regrind for a bit over 2 g's. i've never known any1 to do this tho. Any advice.
Prolly just an adjustment eh..hmm
How about getting the rings replaced.
Is this possible without without pulling the whole thing to bits. Cost??
i'll give that Brendale guy a call tomorrow, i'll also try the Carb-n-ject people.
Chiptorque looks a little performance costly. Dunno if i'm ready for that just yet...
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sun, 11 July 2004 01:04
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Rings cannot be replaced without disassembling the engine. But if you say the compression is good, why do you want to replace the rings?
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Brisbane
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July 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sun, 11 July 2004 01:10
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Cause i don't really have anything to compare it too. Compression seems ok not great. And as i say it is 240k old and nil work done motorwise previously.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sun, 11 July 2004 02:30
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get a good tune first ..
if it has any issues - start saving for the rebuild ..
on rebuilding would you want a blueprinted ( ie back to original specs ) rebuild , or one to handle later power upgrades ..
If its the latter for power - start saving MORE..
you can PM me if you like on how much my 3sgte has cost so far and what work has been done to it
Re ECU's if your keen - adelaide jap has two Blitz piggybacked 3sgte ecu's in stock, or stay tuned as i might have news on another 3sgte ECU option as soon as my engines back in and run in 
( and no toyota ecu from modern celicas can be remapped )
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Brisbane
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July 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sun, 11 July 2004 04:14
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taa for that,keep me posted on the non factory ecu, if you have the time to e-mail me your mod details n costs would be helpful.
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Sun, 11 July 2004 09:29
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thanks Classique71, thats gonna mean a new ECU, oh well i don't have a problem with that, should probably work on the new engine first, so what ECU would you guys recommend?
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Mon, 12 July 2004 02:38
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microtec, haltech , Autronic - and soon to be wolf - have all been tried tested and successful on Gt4's
depends on your budget ..
for entry stuff - microtec or Wolf ..
for higher - Autronic seems to work very well
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Mon, 12 July 2004 03:07
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i would assume that it would have a simular effect on a non-turbo engine, is it worth wild getting an entry one, or to jump to the top end computer?
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Mon, 12 July 2004 08:42
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ok - im gunna assume your planning to put a 3sgte in a st184 ( front wheel drive )
if thats the case i have this advice - Just buy a Gt4 ! Everythings already there ready to be exploited and you wont have to go thru the dramas of putting a turbo motor in your car
youll also save $$'s in the long run + have a much better package to build onto .
you can get decent Gt4's starting at 11 grand these days ( theres onew on the for sale forum atm for 11K and is sweet )
If you plan on getting a Gt4 - then moving on from there - ill put in a few more pointers from my own experiences
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Mon, 12 July 2004 10:11
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well mate you were close, i want to stick a series 3 3SGE in it, i really want to keep it NA, and this will alow me many more options and give me a revy engine to do it with!!
i would love to buy a GT 4 and join the club but i haven't the money nor the insurance rating to warrent this move.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Mon, 12 July 2004 10:40
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Ahh ok them ..
well - for na there iasnt much you can do bar put in some decent cams , get the airflow in and out alot sweeter , and make sure its getting the right spark/fuel to handle the cams so something like a microtech would be sweet ..
As soon as the word " modified " creeps onto insurance policies thlugh your gunna pay regardless !
talk to the likes of ra45gt in melb - or terry obrien in QLD - both have raced 3sge's and probably are the best ssources of info on which ECU's respond best ..
Wolf already have a plug and go ecu for the 3sge too BTW
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Mon, 12 July 2004 10:51
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Seeing your in Brisbane you'll be wanting to look at Haltech which Redcliffe Dyno can tune correctly for you.
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Brissy QLD
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March 2004
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Re: reconditioning a 3S-GTE Brisbane
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Mon, 12 July 2004 12:56
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thanks you both for your information. i would believe you for the insurance bit however my friend has the same model celica as mine and its has extractors, exhaust, pod, and mags and his mags are even on the insurance, his insurance is cheaper then mine.
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