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Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Tue, 13 July 2004 00:22
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I just purchased an alarm system from ebay that has the remote engine start feature. I have never installed an alarm with this feature before and am unsure how it works. My understanding is that the car would have to be left in nutral or else it would try and drive away? does anyone else have much of an idea?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Tue, 13 July 2004 04:05
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First of all, these are illegal in Australia.
Just a friendly word
If your car is manual, dont wire it up
If its auto, wire away
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Tue, 13 July 2004 04:22
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I doubt i'll wire it up but was just wondering how these alarms worked with manual cars.
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Tue, 13 July 2004 04:27
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AFAIK, there is no neutral position sensor on any Toyota boxes, its something that you would have to make sure you installed, and that it worked perfectly.
Without it, the chances of attempting to start the car in gear goes up exponentially.
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Launceston, Tasmania
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 00:27
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I definately won't be installing the remote start feature then! it would be handy on cold mornings but not worth forcing my car to drive away without a driver!
thanks for the info 
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 00:34
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i love the silly head thing you have next to the msn messenger icon. how did you get it there?
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 00:38
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| cam_RA40 wrote on Wed, 14 July 2004 08:34 |
i love the silly head thing you have next to the msn messenger icon. how did you get it there?
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Its called a 'Jabber Handle'
Go into your profile, and type something in there.
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melbourne
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October 2003
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 05:59
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i have remote start on my MANUAL car. and i have had no problems.
with mine, you attatch some wires to the ingition module, and the brain unit does the rest. also, my alarm came with a handbrake wire, so its not meant to start if the handbrake isnt on. but i tihnk we did this wrong coz i tested it in a car park and it still started.
i also tested starting it in gear, and it doesnt drive off, it stalls.
i have also found that the remote start takes at lesat 3 trys to start on a cold morning. but my car is hard to start on a cold morning anyway.
btw, i have a 4afc, so maybe the carbie is what makes it difficult to start. coz my mate had it on his 180(efi), and it started every time no problem.???
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:08
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Yes, carbie makes it very difficult as it has mechanical fuel pump.
If you pumped the accel 2ce before trying, it would prolly start first time.
The reason why its pointless on a manual car is because to make it work, you have to leave your car in neutral.
And what happens if the handbrake fails while its sitting there?
Bye bye car.
And if you accindently leave it in gear without realising, you look like a tool when you remote start it and it bunny hops.
But hey, that my opinion.
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Sydney
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:12
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im getting one of those. it features:-
remote start alarm, 3km radius distance (max), anti hijacking, central lock, microwave sensor, glass breaker, ultrasonic sensor, turbo timer, preset starter (can set time of day you want it started and at that time it will), hand brake sensor, lift sensor (front and rear), standard bonnet/door open, with 2 2-way recievers and an additional standard reciever...
you see them on ebay. the new alarms have a relay for manuals so that if it notices it is in gear then it wont start.
have heard alot of reviews bout the new ones and they have fixed the manual problem that earlier types had!!!
they are not illegal, just uninsurable...
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:18
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| fade-e wrote on Wed, 14 July 2004 14:12 |
the new alarms have a relay for manuals so that if it notices it is in gear then it wont start.
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Can you elaborate on this?
| fade-e wrote on Wed, 14 July 2004 14:12 |
they are not illegal, just uninsurable...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you'll find that it is illegal to have a car running without a licensed driver sitting at the wheel.
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 06:41
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i called it a relay but im not sure exactly what it is called. it was explained to me by my cousin who used to install them. basically it is a small switch that sits just next to the gear stick and can determine if it is in gear or not, or you can get pressure switch types that determine the amount of pressure/force being exerted by the started to try and start the car and if it is above a predetermined amount then it stops trying (these are the old ones, that had alot of failure cause you can imagine how hard the started is turning and by the time it calculates you have usaually broken a few teeth on the starter or flywheel).
as for legality, if you had it in an auto then it is legal and insurable, but in manuals cause of the possibility that the car would jerk/backword in gear then it is not insurable but still legal. although they have made them alot better there is still the potential for the switch to fail and therefore you cannot insure your car if it has it.
as for illegal to have car started while no driver, that is cause you have to leave the car open for that. with the alarms it re-locks the doors once the car has started, basically it unarms and unlocks-stats car-ensures car has started and all is good-relocks doors... after a set time (you set it) the car turns of and the alarm then rearms... while the car is started, if you open the doors then the car switches off, imobilises and the alarm goes off. i used to have these alarms on an old auto my parents used to drive
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Wed, 14 July 2004 07:05
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| fade-e wrote on Wed, 14 July 2004 16:41 |
i called it a relay but im not sure exactly what it is called. it was explained to me by my cousin who used to install them. basically it is a small switch that sits just next to the gear stick and can determine if it is in gear or not, <snip rest>
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i think you mean microswitch?
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: Remote engine start car alarms? how do they work?
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Thu, 15 July 2004 03:53
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| CrUZsida wrote on Wed, 14 July 2004 16:18 |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you'll find that it is illegal to have a car running without a licensed driver sitting at the wheel.
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AFAIK, it's illegal to have the car running with the keys in the ignition without a licensed driver sitting at the wheel.
As for leaving the car in neutral, I have a turbo timer (yes, same argument about legality), so my car is always left in neutral when I park.
I'd love a remote start alarm for those cold mornings.
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