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Differences in Celicas
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Tue, 10 September 2002 02:36
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Hi,
I am thinking about getting a Celica in the next couple of months but would like to find out a few details first.
I would like to know the differences between the RA2# and the TA2#. I understand that RA2# has the 'R' series engine (18R-G) and the the TA2# has the 'T' Series smaller (2T) engine, but what other differences/limitations are there?
Thanks
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Tue, 10 September 2002 05:08
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not all ra2x's have 18r-g's, they are from the GT Rseries's, ST's have 18r-c single cam slug motors. Same with the ta22/3's, they can have a 2t, 2t-b or 2t-g(twincam)'s. I believe T Series are a bit lighter? or is that just my imagination. T series engines were continued in japan in certain cars e.g. 3t
ra's have a larger engine bay and a W50 box, therefore different mounts for everything, xmember. different front struts(?), same diff's (t292), different dash and console to ta's? there is probably many more things that people with much more experience can answer, and id love to know.
I am just a proud ra owner and seeing no one had replied i thought i should mention what i know.
Both cars have very good potential, owning my 28 i have always wanted a ta22 just for that feeling of 1600, less weight and different front lights/grille/bonnet. But you cant go past that torque of a 2 litre even if it is a shitty slow 18Rc..
I hope i have been some help but i think all this is pretty common knowledge amongst many, and you really need an expert opinion. I am sure it will not take long for educated replies to come in, so take it easy
Go the Celica
oh and i dont believe you get a ta22 in a liftback??(Correct me if im wrong somebody :S)
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Tue, 10 September 2002 06:13
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| blackRA28 wrote on Tue, 10 September 2002 15:08 |
ra's have a larger engine bay and a W50 box, therefore different mounts for everything, xmember. different front struts(?), same diff's (t292), different dash and console to ta's? there is probably many more things that people with much more experience can answer, and id love to know.
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Different engine bays? Don't think so! The crossmembers are different, but the engine bays are the same between TA2x and RA2x.
The differences are between xA22 and xA23/xA28. xA22s have shorter engine bays and the struts are closer together.
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Tue, 10 September 2002 08:25
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get a RA23 
i like the 23's as there seems to be less around and i prefer the look instead of those slanty indicators on the 22's and i also prefer the bonnet vents as well.
and yes the T's are lighter, so i found out on an earlier thread
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Tue, 10 September 2002 11:07
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Get a RA28 cause they are the sexiest 
Tim.
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Wed, 11 September 2002 09:25
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ok maybe I am the one to help you cause I own one of each.
it is true that the RA2* have larger engine bays than the TA22, this is good when it comes to thinking of an engine conversion, they are not different but just slightly larger. the raise in the RA2* bonnet is to acommodate the R series engine, not sure why they made TA23's, maybe to use up left over T engines.
I think it is safe to say that both cars are completly different front the front of the car to the back of the front seats. Not a lot of parts are interchangable, not even the front seats are a blot in matter.
TA22's are easier to work on and understand for a beginner rather than the R series. less pipes and all that jazz. The dash is a different design also, I think the TA22 have a more racer feel, but then the RA2* have a slightly more argressive look.
TA22 where never bought out in a liftback model,
But when looking at a liftback keep your eye out for Rustomania!
and maybe one more thing to sway you is that there are slightly more RA2* around for parts and so forth.
But I still love my TA22.
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Wed, 11 September 2002 09:48
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there are slightly more RA2* around for parts and so forth
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I would have to disagree with this.
In my opinion, going by the celicas I see on the road (and I'm pretty good at noticing celicas) there are heaps more TA-22s than T/RA-23s.
There are more 22s in the club than 23s, and 22s came out for twice as many years..... '23 parts can be a BITCH to find.
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Wed, 11 September 2002 10:08
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true, i always see ta22's around adelaide and always think of my baby when i see an RA
i just love both series i wish i had one of each!!
a worked efi 18rg ra28 and a mad 3tgte ta22, and endless parts for both
these are my dreams
Oh yeh and what stuff IS interchangeable between ra23/8's and ta22/3's ??
Just curious...
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Wed, 11 September 2002 10:40
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Got a feeling that i've done this one before. Of course there must be more ta22s than any other. They were on the market in Australia from 1970 'til December 1975. ta23s from January 76 'til june 76 then the ra23 for less than a year and the ra28 fro less than a year.
Now the differences! There will be things that I forget but lets try.
The ta22 had a different interior and doors that did not have anti-intursion bars. Main diff inside was the dash, although there were a lot of little things as well.
The early ta22 had the petrol tank in the wheel well and the filler at the rear. The 22 was also some 100mm shorter in the front - that is the guards and the bonnet. The front treatment was also different.
The ta22 and ta23s had the 2t engine and the w50 g'box as against the 18r and the w52. Also the ta22 and ta23 had 13 inch wheels against 14 for the others and as a result the front struts were some 20 mm shorter. The front brakes for the TAs were also smaller. The ta22 also had a different brake booster and master cylinder. As for weight I understand that the 22 is the lighest and believe it or not the 40 is lighter than the 23s and 28.
Actually I cannot think of very much of the ta22 that is interchangeable on the RA23/28!!!!
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Wed, 11 September 2002 11:18
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are the Xmembers interchangeable from the RA23 to the TA22? cos when i bought my TA22 it came with a written off RA23 for spares. all that i can see is interchangeable bodywise are the windows and seals some interior bits and rear panels  . which is not very good for a spare car.
i know the front chassis rails spread earlier on the RA23 but the Xmember may still fit...
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Wed, 11 September 2002 13:31
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| ddeane wrote on Wed, 11 September 2002 20:40 |
The ta22 and ta23s had the 2t engine and the w50 g'box as against the 18r and the w52.
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No, the T series engines come with a T50 box. The 18R comes with a W50. No such thing as a W52!
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Wed, 11 September 2002 13:32
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| Alainve wrote on Wed, 11 September 2002 21:18 |
are the Xmembers interchangeable from the RA23 to the TA22?
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I don't think so. One of the major upgrades when the xA23 was released was the increased front track, so the front end is quite a bit different.
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Thu, 12 September 2002 05:28
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just you TRY and find anything for an RA28!!?!? 
out of interest... is it true that ra28 is the same as an ra23 from the front half? to me they seem identical until you get halfway down the doors, then they change dramamtically.
Someone tell me if im wrong here!
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Thu, 12 September 2002 06:20
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Cool, Thanks.
I am not yet sure which model I will get, but I will have to find something reasonable first... There doesn't seem to be that many around for sale... And the ones that are for sale are rust ridden. Oh well I'll have to make do with my RA60 for a little longer.
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Thu, 12 September 2002 06:51
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heeheehee.... joel! that would be cool, but the ra23/28 front is better than the ta22 i rekon!!
enigma.. im thinking your going to have problems finding one without rust... its pretty commonplace... they either have rust, or have has rust cut.... VERY rarely do u find an unrusted one
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Thu, 12 September 2002 07:35
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Hehe, I can't argue with that, but I reckon the ass of the '22/'23s is better than the '28, so you'd be making 1 good car and one dog ugly car out of 2 not tooo bad cars! 
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Thu, 12 September 2002 08:14
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Actually, Toyota did make a liftback model with the TA22 style front end... and coincidentally, it was called the RA25! 
They're a Jap-only model from what I can tell, and they're pretty rare.
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Thu, 12 September 2002 08:50
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Smart arse Norbie
why can't I be like you
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Thu, 12 September 2002 09:54
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i think someone had better call japan and let them know joel thought of it first!
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Thu, 12 September 2002 10:04
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Damn right, you guys watched me come up with that idea fair & square! Bloody toyota rorters!
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Fri, 13 September 2002 01:15
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my RA23 doesn't have intermitent wipers
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Sat, 14 September 2002 12:12
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also the TA27 and the TA22 and RA21 and RA25 had the early version of the RA23 front they were all based on the TA22 but had different radiator support panels and bonnet and guards and bumpers ,i had 2 of them a RA21 GT with an 18rg and a TA22 GTV celica
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Sat, 14 September 2002 12:17
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also RA23,TA23 and RA40 crossmembers are interchangable because you can get TA45,TA47 and RA45,47 as well as 40s .GTs 2tg,18rgeu efi are the 45 the 47 are 18re and 3teu efi
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Sat, 14 September 2002 16:15
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Hey, this is a good thread, we should have a special archive for something like this. Like a Tech Threads Archive in the articles section.
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Sun, 15 September 2002 12:48
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The RA25's also have 5 tail lights per side as apposed to the 28's 3. There was a celica in a magazine recently, it was red and had an 18RG I think, the mag said it was a 28 but it had 5 tail lights and was missing the vents that are on the sides behind the rear windows. Was it really a 25 or did they just swap some shit?
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Tue, 17 September 2002 06:41
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im with you on that GIN51E.. i dont have intermittent wipers
would i be right in thinking that increased length from the TA22-RA23 was predominantly in the bonnent?
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Tue, 17 September 2002 06:49
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thats why i set up two buttons on my steering wheel so at one touch of your thumb the wipers go across once, great for when your following someone and getting the misty spray off the tyres and if your to lazy to take your hand of the wheel and pull the leaver  but i find it fantastic for when your flying along a dirt track and hit a puddle and get shit all over the windscreen you can quickly clean it all off and keep on thrashing along
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Tue, 17 September 2002 07:01
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| THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 17 September 2002 16:41 |
would i be right in thinking that increased length from the TA22-RA23 was predominantly in the bonnent?
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All of the extra length is forward of the firewall, but it's not just the panels that are different - the chassis is longer as well.
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Wed, 18 September 2002 10:04
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the RA23 engine bay is approximatley 7.5cm longer from the firewall to the raidator support both upper and lower!
i know because i have measured both
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Wed, 18 September 2002 10:06
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sorry forgot to add that thats longer than the TA22. 
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Thu, 19 September 2002 07:32
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rod... here is your RA25/TA27
apparently there was very minimal difference except for the engine (R series for RA25, T series for TA27) and badging of course
personally im not a fan of those taillights!! gimme RA28 anyday!
now here's one i WISH they had've actually produced! was a prototype never released to the public. was called the SV-1 made in early 1973 apparently?
HOW TOUGH DOES IT LOOK!!!!!
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Thu, 19 September 2002 08:41
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hate the mirrors 
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Fri, 20 September 2002 02:03
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well they are NOWHERE near as bad as the US-spec "impact absorbing" bumpers... god those things are HIDEOUS!!
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Fri, 20 September 2002 13:56
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hey dont knock the mirrors  ive got a set of aero mirrors bolted halfway up the guards on top, and it looks sweet.i will post some pics when i get the flares bolted on so you can see the power of jap style! TA22's are the sexiest but not the meanest of all.
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Fri, 20 September 2002 22:54
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nah i think RA23 is the best looking great curves and love the front end, don't like the TA22's blinkers and how they slope as well as the bonnet vents, but i guess everyone has a different preference
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Sat, 21 September 2002 10:13
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Yeah there is a damand in america for "smilie" bumpers as they only have the super-lame ones. The RA29's are ugly as hell!
on the classic celica mailing list they all want our bumpers.
Tim.
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Sat, 08 November 2003 10:18
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do RA23 doors fit TA22's?
If they don't anyone wanna swap???
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Re: Differences in Celicas
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Sat, 08 November 2003 12:33
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RA23 doors are identical to TA22 doors, except the RA23 ones have side intrusion bars which makes them slightly heavier. They're a direct swap though.
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