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 Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Wed, 11 September 2002 11:03
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OK i know this is a pretty general question, but i have a TA22 and am considering replacing the tired old 2Tc with a more modern powerplant. hence 2TG and 3TG/3TGT are OUT and an 18RG is getting long in tooth now so i dont really want one.Therefore im looking for an engine that is both relatively cheap and will fit without modifying the chassis too much. so that put V8's and V6's out aswell.
heres the limits- naturally aspirated---2.88 liter
for 940kg car - Forced induction------2.35 liter
i've got a list of possible engines,
4AGE/GZE , 1GGTE , 3SGTE , CA18DET , SR20DET , 12A turbo , 13B turbo(not sure on legalities)
if there are any more possibilities please let me know as i am open to many ideas. 
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Montrose, VIC
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Wed, 11 September 2002 11:18
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I'd be going 3SGTE myself
Probably not the cheapest/easiest, but also not the hardest/most pricey, and the 3sgte has got potential to go pretty hard if you treat it to some goodies.
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Wed, 11 September 2002 11:46
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What is involved in fitting the 3SGTE? i heard that its pretty hard to fit (manifolding , distributor and management)
Also what i forgot to mention earlier is that weight and the weight balance it creates are going to be accounted for. also the ease of fitting in that i dont want to be getting a part from one motor and something else from another.(im too lazy for that ).i just want easy installation, that said, i can fabricate any mount or bracket needed for it. 
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Montrose, VIC
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Wed, 11 September 2002 12:03
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Well you can steal mounts, gearbox, etc. from an SA63 celica, have to make your own exhaust manifold, and the dizzy is always gonna be a pain in the arse until you ditch it for coils. If you don't want stock management, then there's nothing to worry about there though. There are other issues (e.g. inlet manifold height) that I'm not entirely sure about, but someone will no doubt speak up now and fill us in
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May 2002
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Wed, 11 September 2002 12:05
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Alainve
I asked someone who did the 3s-gte conversion in a ta22 and they gave me a great essay
i saved it in Word
if u want it i can e-mail the thing
Mani
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Wed, 11 September 2002 12:18
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Any chance I can grab a copy too?
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Wed, 11 September 2002 12:21
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An e-mail adress would help get the ball rolling Mr shin
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Wed, 11 September 2002 12:28
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omg why dont i just copy paste here....dher
from memory i asked ta22_3sgte about his conversion and his post was meant to become a tech article....
manipulate
I can't realy put a cost on it as I done the complete conversion myself over time and with a few dollars hear and a few dollars there you never realy keep count so I would have no idea how much it all cost , sorry not much help with cost !!!
Here is a bit of info I'v been putting together , not finnished yet but it may help .
My conversion putting a 3SGTE into a TA22 Celica
Motor 3SGTE out of ST165 Celica
Gearbox W57
Bellhousing 2S from SA 63 Celica
Sump 2S
Oil Pickup 2S
Flywheel 2S
Clutch/presure plate 2S
Starter 2S
Alternator bracket 2S
Engine Mounts 2S/2T
Turbo ST165 Group A
Exhaust Manifold Custom
Inlet Menifold Custom
Computer Haltech E6S
Diff Hilux LSD
Intercooler ST185 Celica ( Air to Air )
Coils Direct Fire from 4AGZE
Cam Covers ST162 3SGE
Radiator TA22
Fuel Pump VL Turbo
Tail Shaft Custom
Fan Thermo
Exhaust 2 1/2" mandral
1/ Flywheel
The 3SGTE flywheel sits closer to the block than the rear wheel drive 2S which means the input shaft does not sit into the sprigot bearing , the throughout bearing near hangs off the guide tube and the clutch plate does not slide onto the input shaft spline far enough , also the ringgear has a larger diameter than the 2S so the starter would need to be moved outwards about 5mm .
The 2S flywheel has a 6 bolt pattern and the 3SGTE has a 8 bolt pattern , so what I did was redrilled the 2S flywheel to 8 bolt , to do this I tapped 4 of the holes with a 1/2 unf thread and pluged these with 1/2 unf allthread , 2 of the holes in the 2S flywheel already line up and another 2 can be clean drilled but the other 4 holes come half and half so pluging these made it posible to redrill .
I have been told the 3SGTE clutch , presure plate & flywheel can be used by getting about 5mm machined off the face of the bellhousing ( this 5mm machining does not fix the starter problem as the starter needs to be moved outwards from the crank ).
2/ Intake Manifold
The intake manifold sits to high and will not alow the bonnet to close , I cut the manifold about 90mm from the face and welded on a new plenum made out of 3" thick wall aluminium tube and fitted the throttle body at the front aiming down a little , I cut a hole between the radiator and headlight for the intercooler plumbing to connect to the throttle body .
3/ Exhaust Manifold
The original manifold cannot be used as the starter is in the way of the turbo and the turbo would also be sitting back to front .
I made a manifold out of 1 1/4" steam pipe and bends . I made the dump out of 15mm plate and 3" mandrel pipe , this 3" dump extends down to just under the car an than reduces to 2 1/2 mandrel for the rest of the exhaust system with a 3" straight through stainless muffler behind the diff .
I faced the compressor outlet down towards the bottom and made the plumbing to exit through the bottom of the radiator support panel where I had cut a hole and connect to the ST185 intercooler .
4/ Engine Mounts
The 2S mounts bolt onto the left side of the block but on the right side there is only two holes in the block so I bolted the mount onto these two holes and welded some brackets onto the rear side of the mount which extended towards the back of the block where there is another two holes . I drilled out the spot welds on the mounting plates on the crossmember so these mounting plates can be moved , I bolted the rubber mounts to the mounting plates then modified the 2S mounts as for the TA22 rubber mounts would bolt onto them , now with the mounts bolted up I positioned the motor to where it had to sit then rewelded the mounting plates back onto the crossmember , The correct position for the motor is about 85 to 90mm measured from the rear of the head to the firewall and with about 20mm clearance from the sump to the crossmember .
5/ Alternator
I used the alternator bracket off the 2S which sits on the r/h side under the intake , the 2S alt mount will need a bit grinded off the bottom to bolt on .
6/ Cooling system
I used the TA22 radiator but had to move the top spout to the left side then used a long hose to go to the rear of the motor where I had made a rear water outlet out of 1 1/4 " steam bends and pipe , this outlet consists of a 90 degree facing out to the left then 90 upwards and then another 90 to face the outlet forward at a hight to run the hose along the side of the cam cover , I brassed a couple of fittings into this outlet and fitted the temp gauge sender and the water temp sensor , I searched around and found a couple of hoses and a stainless joiner to make the bottom hose . Then fitted a thermo fan to the radiator .
7/ Ignition System
The original distributor can be used by just removing the cap and rotor button then cutting the rotor button shaft off level with the pickup rotor and making a short cover to fit back on , this will give enough clearance to the firewall , the cover must be made of a non magnetic material such as aluminium or plastic as not to upset the magnetic pickups . the distributor can now be used and configured with an aftermarket ECU to run direct fire system , I used two direct fire coils from a 4AGZE and two toyota igniters , I bolted a length of 1' RHS between the shocky towers and mounted the coils off this .
Trevor
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Thu, 12 September 2002 05:07
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thats a great help but, im looking for a swap that i dont need to source parts from a number of engines to make it work.
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Newcastle
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September 2002
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Thu, 12 September 2002 05:59
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Don't bother with a 12A as they are startin to get long in the tooth,that is unless you are open to old engine's  if you want the best weight balance you can get then go for the 4AG as it will get you the best balance
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May 2002
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Thu, 12 September 2002 08:17
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Considering your selection criteria, I reckon a 13B bridgeport is a pretty decent option. The TA22 engine bay is pretty cramped so a lot of the other options are either quite difficult or nearly impossible, but a 13B is nice and compact so it will fit easily. A bridgeport will make plenty of power too. Obviously a 13B turbo would be better but unfortunately it's not legal.
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Thu, 12 September 2002 09:26
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13B's are the shit...
Easy to fit,a bridgeport would rock but maybe not for everyday traffic but that is up to you (I might be heading down this road if I get a company carso far looking good)
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Fri, 13 September 2002 08:24
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Hey all
i got told today that i could fit a 1G in a ta22 without touching the firewall ....how true is this ...cause im pretty sure ive heard u cant in a 22 but can in a 23...
Ta
Mani
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Fri, 13 September 2002 08:29
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You probably can if you move the radiator forward, but that introduces its own problems. Remember you will need a much bigger radiator than the pissy TA22 unit, plus you'll need to jam an intercooler in there somewhere...
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Fri, 13 September 2002 10:01
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Ta Norbie
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Sat, 14 September 2002 05:50
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Plus you will get a whole bunch of extra weight in front of the wheels which will make it a bitch to steer 
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July 2002
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Sat, 14 September 2002 12:10
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Go the 13B! Unfortunately they double the rotaries' capacity so a 13B would be considered a 2.6 litre, so going the 13B turbo would be illegal unfortunately. So shove in the 13B and get it Peripherla Ported and go run a 12! There are many people who have put rotor's in TA22's so your bound to get some useful info off someone. Yes i have done it but mine was all rushed and dodgied up at the last minuite so you won't get much good advice from me! My engine bay looks like it's had a V12 blow all it's pistons out the block! It's pretty mangled, but you can easily put a 13B in without chopping anything, i just chopped up stuff to fit the turbo that i didnt even end up using. Ask the other Toyrota about his conversion.
André
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Montrose, VIC
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Sat, 14 September 2002 12:54
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Well I guess if you want something to shove in there without having to find different parts, its either 3TGTE or something Nissan. Much as I prefer toyotas, the 3TGTE can't really touch some of the Nissan stuff in stock form. The FJ20 has got an enviable reputation for immense toughness.... and is as old as the 3TGTE unfortunately. CA18DET might be a possibility though, give it a new turbo, bigger fuel system and programmable management, it it should stretch to a reasonable output. Personally I'd forget the SR20 and use a 3SGTE instead, but then thats just my idea
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Re: Best engine for TA22?? open to most options.
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Sat, 14 September 2002 23:02
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I looked into the engine conversion idea a few month ago. The guys here were very helpful. I guess no matter which way you go it's going to be expensive if you do it right. My TA22 get less than 1000km use per year (no use in the last 4 years) so I decided to use the money I had saved and bought a near new 2001 Kawasaki KX250 dirt bike. This bad boy will get the speed demon out of my system and I'm sure the Celica will love me for it, in the long run. Simple problem solved,...............next project!
Justin
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