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Melbourne, Australia
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July 2002
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MA61 Steering
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Fri, 23 July 2004 11:51
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Problem is when turning left it gets to a point and sticks, it takes a good yank to bring it back straight. Now it only happens some of the time, anyone got any ideas?
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Fri, 23 July 2004 12:14
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Power steering rack munted? They regularly fail due to getting too hot.
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Location:
Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Fri, 23 July 2004 13:16
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Sounds like you have dodgy front end alignment, and if it happens intermitently that would suggest something is loose or excessively worn (eg bushes or ball joints). Your best bet is to take it to a suspension shop, once it's up on a hoist they'll be able to spot the problem right away.
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August 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Fri, 23 July 2004 13:34
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a farked tie rod perhaps?
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Location:
Melbourne, Australia
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Fri, 23 July 2004 23:05
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Thanks for the help gents, ill take the thing down to a suspension place and get them to have a look. If they cant spot something wrong, looks like swapping over the steering rack (which we have a spare, but damn, Ive never had to do it before, but I'm imagining all kinds of drama involved)
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Registered:
August 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sat, 24 July 2004 01:34
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im trying to do this today......
im not liking it.
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sat, 24 July 2004 07:36
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glen, im doing this tomorrow 
how did you go, what did you do, and did you run into any major dramas?
actually... what was wrong with your old rack? is it out now? wanna sell it? i really dont want to pull my rack out tomorrow 
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Location:
Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sat, 24 July 2004 07:37
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 23 July 2004 22:14 |
Power steering rack munted? They regularly fail due to getting too hot.
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nathan - care to elaborate? first ive heard of this
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Australia
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sat, 24 July 2004 07:54
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Sat, 24 July 2004 15:37 |
| justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 23 July 2004 22:14 |
Power steering rack munted? They regularly fail due to getting too hot.
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nathan - care to elaborate? first ive heard of this
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Oil overheats due to pathetic 'cooler' infront of radiator
Cooks seals.
Your extractors wouldnt be helping.
Solved through fitment of oil cooler.
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Location:
Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sat, 24 July 2004 08:05
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hmmm, could be why ive got a majory toasted pinion seal at the moment. hasnt smelt too good lately either.
i SO look forward to spending 5 hrs replacing 2x $10.37 seals
anyone got any tips on dropping the rack on ye olde ma61's??
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Registered:
August 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sat, 24 July 2004 09:18
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ok well i went to soccer and interupted progress
it actually doesnt seem too bad.
it took me the purchase of new tools to remove the steering rack bolts to the crossmember (56ft lbs!), had to use a breaker, with a large extention to get the purchase. (the car is on ramps at the front).
Thats as far as i got, after i installed a new brake master.
but after that, remove 2 cotter pins, figure out how to undo tie rod nuts, look like its a nut, with some crazy pattern on it.
remove the bolt holding the steering shaft into the rack (11mm bolt i think)
and pull the entire rack out with tie rods on it.
you can HAVE my rack if you want....its toast and leaking fluid, also has a FUBAR'd boot.
Based on what i heard (nathan and cruizda alike) the fluid heats up and rack dies. Im going to rerun my lines and install an oil cooler where the U bar is.
I got a spare rack rebuilt....should be the shit 
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Registered:
August 2002
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Location:
Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sat, 24 July 2004 10:34
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ok...
mine is leaking like nothing else out of the pinion seal (where intermediate shaft enters the rack). it practically just let go all of a sudden... ive got a kitty litter tray sopping up all the fluid everywhere. i was planning on dropping it tomorrow and trying to replace the seals (which i bought today).
wheres your old one leaking from glen?
you got the new one reco'd? price?
i wonder how hard it'd be to fully reco myself... just a few bearings and seals 
anyway - how long you think till you have your old one out so i might have a crack at rebuilding it? i can continue to let mine leak for a while, but i dont know how long i can keep it up
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Registered:
August 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sat, 24 July 2004 17:26
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mine leaks from where the tie rod joins the rack itself
$480 + GST to rebuild
hopefully i pull it out tomorow......well that today nows
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sun, 25 July 2004 07:22
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Racks are piss-easy to replace (done it too many times now). The only hard part is getting the ball joints out, but with the help of a BFH and lots of bishing they drop out eventually. Then you just remove the 4 bolts attaching it to the crossmember (one of them you have to access from under the car), undo the bolt on the steering column, and the whole thing drops out. Installation is the reverse of the removal.
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Registered:
August 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sun, 25 July 2004 07:52
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itsjust taken me all day to get it out and put another one in
the ball ball joints on the tie rods wont sit flush with the underside of the mounting surfacing.
and i stripped the damn bolt holding the intermediary shaft in place!!!
piss me off! 
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Location:
Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sun, 25 July 2004 10:47
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anyone know how much play to expect from the mid-shaft (ball) joint between the rack-end and tie-rod?
see below:
(the joint thats between the rack and the tie rods: very bottom right hand solid arrow on the rack)
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Location:
Yowie Bay, Sydney
Registered:
June 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sun, 25 July 2004 12:28
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shouldnt be any movement, they can be fixed (squashed) to remove any movement though
anyone who reco's racks often should have the tooling to the press to do this....
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sun, 25 July 2004 12:50
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cool, ill drop past the local with the pair i have and see if they can do it
thanks!
ed
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Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
September 2003
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Sun, 25 July 2004 13:10
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| Norbie wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 17:22 |
Racks are piss-easy to replace (done it too many times now). The only hard part is getting the ball joints out, but with the help of a BFH and lots of bishing they drop out eventually. Then you just remove the 4 bolts attaching it to the crossmember (one of them you have to access from under the car), undo the bolt on the steering column, and the whole thing drops out. Installation is the reverse of the removal.
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Me too. Mind you, I already had the tie rod ends undone, but it took me all of 30 minutes.
I was expecting hours, but it was piss easy.
Glenn, $480 + GST to redo. Sounds like mine for $180 was a bargain !!!!!! 
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Mon, 26 July 2004 13:53
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bah! i scoff at your $180 rebuild! muuhahaha
as ive found tonight, rebuilding the sucker yourself is truley a piece of cake. i kid you not, piece of piss to strip, all bearings and seals are easily extracted, the toughest bit is the nylon valve and piston rings, but the EST-009 (cut down coke can) seems like itll make easy work of installation.
ill update tomorrow when she all goes back together
cheers
ed
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Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
September 2003
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Mon, 26 July 2004 14:20
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 23:53 |
bah! i scoff at your $180 rebuild! muuhahaha
as ive found tonight, rebuilding the sucker yourself is truley a piece of cake. i kid you not, piece of piss to strip, all bearings and seals are easily extracted, the toughest bit is the nylon valve and piston rings, but the EST-009 (cut down coke can) seems like itll make easy work of installation.
ill update tomorrow when she all goes back together
cheers
ed
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Well done Ed, sounds like it should be another sticky.
At least my $180 rebuild was offset by selling my old one to Glenn so that he could pay even more !!!!!!!
Cheers
Michael B
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Tue, 27 July 2004 01:25
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I had been thinking about rebuilding the spare rack in my garage for a couple of years now, but everyone told me it can't be done by a backyarder so I never pulled it apart. So now you're going to tell me I've put up with 2 years of no power steering for no good reason?? Gaaaaaagh!!!
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
June 2003
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Re: MA61 Steering
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Tue, 27 July 2004 05:17
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The fella who did the one on my ma61 - cost him $700 
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