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My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 02:30
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This is my new brake setup for my TA22. The setup uses RA40 struts, MS65 hubs, Honda S2000 rotors(300x25mm), Mazda RX7 calipers and custom milled caliper brackets.
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Sun, 25 July 2004 02:31
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In the last picture above you can also see the spacers we had to make the calipers suit the thicker rotor.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 02:35
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MMMMMMMMM brakes * droooool *
you are gunna die grinss that " mazda " off arentcha ! 
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 02:39
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| Classique71 wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 12:35 |
you are gunna die grinss that " mazda " off arentcha !
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 04:18
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 04:24
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FIRSTLY sweet as job mate VERY NICE!!!
just some Qs if you dont mind...
the MS65 hub fits straight nto the RA40 strut without any issues/mods?
same Q for rotor/disc to hub?
the nut on the bolt for the calipers, what are they for? is the bolt too long?
could i/we get specs for the bracket?
did the strut need to be cut or anything or does the ride height come out good of the bat?
does the RA40 strut sit onto the TA22 tierod arm thing on control arm (mate not sure what its called, basically where strut bolts to control arm)? or does that need to be changed?
THANKS... ONCE AGAIN SWEET JOB!!! 
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 05:59
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great work man! very impressive fabrication work there.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:06
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| fade-e wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 14:24 |
FIRSTLY sweet as job mate VERY NICE!!!
just some Qs if you dont mind...
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Thanks and ok.
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the MS65 hub fits straight nto the RA40 strut without any issues/mods?
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Correct
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same Q for rotor/disc to hub?
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We had to drill the correct stud pattern in the rotor to bolt onto the hub(5x114.3).
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the nut on the bolt for the calipers, what are they for? is the bolt too long?
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At the time those bolts were all we could find. But now that I look at and think, it seems like a good idea. Kind of like head studs.
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could i/we get specs for the bracket?
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Sure, they're made from alloy and have been sandblasted to give the mat finish.
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did the strut need to be cut or anything or does the ride height come out good of the bat?
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At the moment I have just used the TA22 spring and strut top. The ride hight will be about an inch higher. This is not a problem because the struts will be cut down and have coil over kits fitted at a later date. At the moment I just need them to roll the car around.
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does the RA40 strut sit onto the TA22 tierod arm thing on control arm (mate not sure what its called, basically where strut bolts to control arm)? or does that need to be changed?
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The RA40 strut bolts on the TA22 control arm without any issues.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:14
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thanks for the answers mate VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!
so the min rim size would be 15" or 16" now to make all clearences?
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:19
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you will need to heli-coil the alloy brackets where the cailper bolts to other then that VERY sexy
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:23
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yeah that would be providing that you use alloy like Cool1 did right?
if you used another strong metal like cast iron/steel/iron or whatever than a thread would do fine
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:27
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| fade-e wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 18:14 |
so the min rim size would be 15" or 16" now to make all clearences?
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At the moment I have a set of factory AU Falcoon 16 inch steel rims and these fit when I used some washers between the rim and hub. The caliper hits the inside of the rim so i'll be needing some spacers for the time being 
So to answer your question, 16 steel rims are the minimum because of the way they are constructed, but 15 inch alloys will fit fine.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:34
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We are not going to use coils for the time being as the tempered grade alloy we used along with the correct threading procedure should be strong enough as is. We are also using a very large pitch thread to help the situation.
However to prove a point to ourselves, we threaded an off cut of the alloy and tightened up the bolt to more and than 3 times the suggested factory torque setting without the thread stripping.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:40
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oh yeah i can see from the pic how it sticks out SPEWING but still man sick ass job...
instead of putting spacers between rim and hub couldnt you put spacers between hub and rotor?
has anyone ever tried this before? could be something to consider...
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 08:43
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| fade-e wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 18:40 |
oh yeah i can see from the pic how it sticks out SPEWING but still man sick ass job...
instead of putting spacers between rim and hub couldnt you put spacers between hub and rotor?
has anyone ever tried this before? could be something to consider...
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You could do that but it makes the bracket harder to make and keep strong enough.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:32
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nice work shane
how much did the adaptors cost
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:34
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| Cool1 wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 18:43 |
| fade-e wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 18:40 |
oh yeah i can see from the pic how it sticks out SPEWING but still man sick ass job...
instead of putting spacers between rim and hub couldnt you put spacers between hub and rotor?
has anyone ever tried this before? could be something to consider...
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You could do that but it makes the bracket harder to make and keep strong enough.
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and u could just get longer wheel bolts and get a proper spacer made
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:37
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Or I could just get some wheels that suit the job once the car is ready to be roadworthy
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:41
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fuck that, keep the AU steelie sleeper look, goes with the | Quote: |
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 09:44
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The AU steelies will stay on the back but i'll source some other still rims to suit the front
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 13:20
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Nice brackets man, but I'll point out a couple of things (just to be a smart ass ),
If a 16" steeli only just fits, then a 15" alloy mag definitely wont.
A fine thread is stronger than a coarse thread.
Overall, a pretty schmick job.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 13:51
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bbaacchhyy: i think he means that they would fit diameter wise but no matter what he needs spacers, therefore if he put 14" they would hit the side of the calipers as well as the front
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 14:39
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Disagree fade-e.
I still think it would take 16" cast alloys, not 15".
With my brakes (326mm rotors and 300ZX calipers), 16" Simmons rims JUST fit, and 16" cast alloys wont, so if I need/want cast alloy rims, I'll have to go to 17".
I think it is a matter of the shell of the rim clearing the caliper.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 14:55
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if u look inside the au rim u will find its very deep inside
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 20:46
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Michael B, Your obviously not smart enough
The 16 inch AU steel rim only just fits because the center part of the rim curves around and then attaches to outter rim. Its this curve that interferes with the caliper. An alloy rim (like the ones fitted to my falcoon)are not constructed like this so there is plenty of room to down size.
Also if you read my post a while back, I did not say anything a fine course threaded bolt. I mentioned the pitch which is a completely different story!
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Sun, 25 July 2004 20:56
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| Cool1 wrote on Sun, 25 July 2004 18:34 |
We are not going to use coils for the time being as the tempered grade alloy we used along with the correct threading procedure should be strong enough as is. We are also using a very large pitch thread to help the situation.
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Fair enough re where the rim hits the caliper. But a 15" alloy fits over that size disc and caliper combo ? Very well then.
As pointed out above (highlighted in bold), I understand it to be a coarse thread (i.e. large pitch vs fine thread which is mall pitch), but with some punctuation, it could be a 'large bolt, that has the right sized thread', which is what aI am assuming ?
Still though, it is all very nice and a neat job (especially the bracket as mentioned earlier) and a fine thread has greater strength than a coarse thread.
Both front and rear brakes are well done, unlike many others (if they are done at all  )
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Mon, 26 July 2004 08:03
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This is about as direct as I can get:
The thread is fine, but the tip of the thread is square not triangular like off the shelf bolts people are more familiar with.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Mon, 26 July 2004 09:51
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Just saw this thread and well dang.......very nice work.... engineering at it's finest.
Just on the Heli-coiling issue, its not required if using 7000 series or higher aluminium.
Once again, nice work. I can appreciate a job when its done right, first time around.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Mon, 26 July 2004 10:28
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It all comes down to the brand and make of the rim. I have tried some other 14 inch alloy rims(minilites) and they were no way near going to fit.
My 16 inch PCW rims also fit with tons of room to spare.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Mon, 26 July 2004 10:29
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| gabe wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 19:51 |
Just saw this thread and well dang.......very nice work.... engineering at it's finest.
Just on the Heli-coiling issue, its not required if using 7000 series or higher aluminium.
Once again, nice work. I can appreciate a job when its done right, first time around.
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Thanks mate. I cant remember what grade alloy we used but I remember telling you 
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Mon, 26 July 2004 10:35
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Yup, It's the 14" minilites that I've got. When we originally setup to do the work we checked my wheels against a Sprinter that was in the shop with the exact brake conversion already done to it. We thought the rims were identical and so proceeded. Apparently the offsets must have been different...
Anyhow, why would you bother with 14" alloys with a 5-stud pattern? The reason I chose the path I did because it was going to work with the wheels that were already on the car (thereby saving the cost of new rims and tyres).
How wide do you want to go with rubber? 225? 235? bigger?
Cheers,
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Mon, 26 July 2004 10:42
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Yep, 7076 if I remember rightly
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Mon, 26 July 2004 10:51
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| dcleyne wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 20:35 |
Yup, It's the 14" minilites that I've got. When we originally setup to do the work we checked my wheels against a Sprinter that was in the shop with the exact brake conversion already done to it. We thought the rims were identical and so proceeded. Apparently the offsets must have been different...
Anyhow, why would you bother with 14" alloys with a 5-stud pattern? The reason I chose the path I did because it was going to work with the wheels that were already on the car (thereby saving the cost of new rims and tyres).
How wide do you want to go with rubber? 225? 235? bigger?
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I only really want to go 225's on the back with 15 inch rims. Maybe 16 just depends on what I think looks better. I dont really like low profile tyres on old cars.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 11:01
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i agree with ya Cool1! low profiles understandablew we do all these mods to perfect the car but im not one for killing the look completely and the mods we do dont kill/affect the look but make it a better car
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Mon, 26 July 2004 11:07
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Exactly.
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I only really want to go 225's on the back with 15 inch rims. Maybe 16 just depends on what I think looks better. I dont really like low profile tyres on old cars.
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I agree. Mine are 195x60x14 and I'm happy with the way it looks... I'd like to see pictures of what you end up with!
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Mon, 26 July 2004 11:58
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FYI
some, not all square profile threads are called ACME threads.
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Mon, 26 July 2004 12:06
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| clubagreenie wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 21:58 |
FYI
some, not all square profile threads are called ACME threads.
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Could be. I wouldn't know. But I do know that the thread on the bolts we used is the best for this application.
The bolts in question are to hold the turn table on the back of prime movers.
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Thu, 29 July 2004 23:36
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Hey Cool1, i was just wondering how much this brake setup cost you all up and if possible could you make a setup like this for me, only if its not too much trouble and if you have the time.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Fri, 30 July 2004 08:11
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The brackets could be worth about $200 each but I wouldn't know without going into it further.
I have been thinking about designing a brake setup using the RA40 strut and hub. It would probably use the 4 pot Mazda caliper and a suitably large rotor.
But you'll have to wait and see if this happens
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Sun, 19 December 2004 11:53
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just a qwikie on threads.
fine isnt stonger than coarse and vice versa.
it all comes down to application... as in coarse thread is better for timber work because a fine thread tends to spin out and de-coil the thread.
*food for thought*
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Sun, 19 December 2004 11:54
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Dude this is quite old....
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just a qwikie on threads.
fine isnt stonger than coarse and vice versa.
it all comes down to application... as in coarse thread is better for timber work because a fine thread tends to spin out and de-coil the thread.
*food for thought*
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Thats not totally fact. As stated above the bolts I used are fine thread but they are square threads.
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Mon, 20 December 2004 08:32
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old yes but still worth talking about.
anyhooo my point was threads all depend on the intended application.
you cant just state one is better than the other.
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I realise this is an old thread, ( & nice conversion Shane) but a quick comment on the Mazda alloy calipers. For those who are contemplating using them, do NOT grind off the small raised rectangular section just below the raised 'Mazda' word.
That raised section houses the brake fluid gallery from one piston to the neighbouring piston. A mate who races a RX3 ground it off as it was interfering with a wheel he wanted to try out, and hey presto, brake fluid everywhere and a stuffed caliper.......very bad idea!!!
Just passing on some info after reading a comment above about grinding things off..................
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I realise this is an old thread, ( & nice conversion Shane) but a quick comment on the Mazda alloy calipers. For those who are contemplating using them, do NOT grind off the small raised rectangular section just below the raised 'Mazda' word.
That raised section houses the brake fluid gallery from one piston to the neighbouring piston. A mate who races a RX3 ground it off as it was interfering with a wheel he wanted to try out, and hey presto, brake fluid everywhere and a stuffed caliper.......very bad idea!!!
Just passing on some info after reading a comment above about grinding things off..................
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Haha thats funny.
Does your mate want to sell those calipers?
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Tue, 21 December 2004 02:33
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This happened about 5 years ago Shane, so I doubt he'd still have them...........
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DOH. No problem.
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Fri, 31 December 2004 19:45
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So what did the custom bracket cost to produce? Do you have the blueprints?
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I'm not really sure what the brackets cost me, but it wasn't much. And there are no drawings available for the brackets.
However I am in the process of designing a new brake setup using RA40 struts, RX7 calipers and a rotor that will hopefully fit under 14 inch wheels. If anyone is interested you maybe able to purchase some brackets off me to suit.
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Mon, 03 January 2005 10:09
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My ke70 panelvan has AE86 struts with similar custom brackets and wide body camry discs and single spot calipers. The discs are 28mm wide and i had to lightly shave the calipers to get my 14s on. I have never been able to overheat or even smoke these brakes down any will at any speed. Would recomend a master upgrade tho.
Here is a tip - Skyline 4 spot calipers bolt directly onto RA60 struts. You will need bigger discs and machine 10-12mm off the back of the hub tho.
Good luck.
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Mon, 03 January 2005 11:57
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But skyline calipers blow and RA60 struts dont suit early celicas!
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Mon, 03 January 2005 19:52
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What year RX-7 are the calipers from and what is the distance between the caliper mounting holes center to center?
Thanks.
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| Cool1 wrote on Mon, 03 January 2005 19:57 |
But skyline calipers blow and RA60 struts dont suit early celicas!
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Any particular reason?
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About the skyline calipers?
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Tue, 04 January 2005 07:04
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Ah, yes, sorry, shoulda made that more clear.
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Tue, 04 January 2005 07:12
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Nothing really. Just that they are bigger and bulkier than the Mazda caliper. This is not a realy problem unless your trying to use them on big rotors under small wheels like I was
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Re: My new brake setup (570k worth of pictures)
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Tue, 04 January 2005 07:17
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| Cool1 wrote on Tue, 04 January 2005 15:12 |
Nothing really. Just that they are bigger and bulkier than the Mazda caliper. This is not a realy problem unless your trying to use them on big rotors under small wheels like I was
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Ah k, gotcha.
Nissan 4spots + 280mm rotors fit under 15" wheels btw.
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