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MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 09:59
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http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~alangford/AllanMA70dy no.MOV
Stock CT26
Stock intercooler/pipes
110,000km old bottom end
ARP head studs
Stock toyota gasket
1UZ-FE afm
stock 440cc injectors
Custom AFPR ~40PSI fuel pressure
Custom 3.5inch dump
front cut off airbox
91 octane fuel
151.5RwKw
half way there!
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Location: Brisbane
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:01

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u gotta do em in quicktime dont ya 
WHat psi was that man?
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:01

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Why are you using 91 octane fuel?
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:02

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justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:01 | Why are you using 91 octane fuel?
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Its only a 7m!
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:04

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it was all that was close by, normaly fed mobil 8000
peeked at 1.3 bar (thay had the pressure feed off the wastegate line )
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:08

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consider yourself put to shame by 1ggte's with some boost....
and an internally stock 2JZGE.
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:13

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BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 18:08 | consider yourself put to shame by 1ggte's with some boost....
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Less boost in fact
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:14

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BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:08 | consider yourself put to shame by 1ggte's with some boost....
and an internally stock 2JZGE.
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consider yourself put to same by facts not bullshit 
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Location: Brisbane
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:15

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something must be wrong allan...my 7m wouldnt be "that" much behind that in 2nd gear...
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:17

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Is PunkDefender the one with the Blitz BAG CT12's?
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:18

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Allan,
What did you mean by bullshit? There is only 1 1GGTE there and thats above you, and I believe Glen was talking about GT's 2JZGE.
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Location: Melbourne
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:20

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big single
he did about 600nm max torque i did 832nm
Allan
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:22

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Allan wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:20 | big single
he did about 600nm max torque i did 832nm
Allan
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and you both wont turn corners in a boat.
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Location: Melbourne
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:27

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dave was a no show with his race car
and ill gladly take his motec off him if you want to compare stock engines
and shure thats a 1G was puting out heaps more but money spent on that is FAR FAR more then whats spent on my 7m
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:31

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scared of a little competition....you have a modified turbo engine....surely you could put down more than a N/A engine of the same displacement
i said internally stock.....which it is.....hardly makes it a full on race engine.
The beams 3S however isnt far off either.
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:32

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BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:22 |
Allan wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:20 | big single
he did about 600nm max torque i did 832nm
Allan
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and you both wont turn corners in a boat.
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and lets hope you are like val kilmer in many ways more then just your avatar and like his movie carrer you take your 2jz and "oh im soo good" attuide and vanish
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:35

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BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:31 | scared of a little competition....you have a modified turbo engine....surely you could put down more than a N/A engine of the same displacement
i said internally stock.....which it is.....hardly makes it a full on race engine.
The beams 3S however isnt far off either.
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yeah Glenn only runs a 1uz-fe afm and fuel pressure reg' and all these other engines have only like $300 worth of mods on them too
get off it allredy man your so hung up on baging the 7m! see a shrink talk about your issues to someone who is payed to care!
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Location: Brisbane
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:36

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7m powah!
the 2jzge is a whole new design, which coincedently had more hp STOCK than a 7m turbo. therfore a slightly modded 2jzge will probly put out equal to a little more to a moderately modified 7mgte...
However allans car should be making more power than this given the mods..something is wrong somewhere.
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:40

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Settle Gretel. This level of 7M defending is akin to you a couple of years ago.
Have a quick squiz as this:

153rwkw from a 3" exhaust, with a stock IC on an engine 1l smaller with 5psi less boost. Even considering the fact that it is a different dyno, I'd be wanting a 7M with your dump pipe, 1.3 bar of boost to be making a lot more than a 1G
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Location: Melbourne
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 10:48

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these dyno op's had no idea about how to hook up the boost feed off the engine! ended up off the feed to the bleeder valve thus spike to about 19psi and anyone that knows stock ct-26's will know at top end the most thay push is 13ish psi at about 70deg after the intercooler.
im not defending the 7m im just pointing out that the fact some of you dont have a clue, IE "owww a 3s is close", well fuck yeah probably had more money spent on it then my car cost twice!
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 11:10

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BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:51 |
Actually i don't have a care in the world about it, your the only one getting uptight and actually giving a damn, you don't see me defending anything stubbornly. The proof is in this thread in fact.
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justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 20:01 | Why are you using 91 octane fuel?
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Its only a 7m!
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why do you then feel such a need to chip in! your going to be most upset when i actualy spend a little money on the engine and put out about double, im shure then you with bitch about it being too modifyed,
I dont care about what you think of the 7m what shits me is the fucked up attiude on here.
so what have you contributed to the club besides
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Location: Melbourne
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 11:46

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BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 21:25 |
I have a fantastic attitude but have an uncanny ability to say it as it is. Honest blunt truth.
Well lets see:
- Being a financial member
- Participating in fundraising
- Going to monthly meetings
- Attending the majority of events
- Helping out other toymodders with their cars, and sourcing parts
- Networking with other people, Hell i got a member a tender job on here for a few grand $$. (ROBST162 in fact)
- Contributing to the tech section
If you feel i have have to justify what i have contributed to the club in order to prove that it is infact less than yourself, then your the only fool with a crappy attitude on here.
Only open your mouth when you know the whole story.
oh and did i mention....i really don't give a shit.
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Well congratualtions are in order... mother therasa stand aside!
let me put your "Contributing to the tech section" along side "Its only a 7m!"
OMG!! that has so much todo with your "Honest blunt truth" the sacrifices you make bring a tear to my eye!
maybe try being quite then the threed could be constructive rather then full of shit
Thank you
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 11:54

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Yet you still can't be humbled with fact, accept something and move on.
This thread was only created for bathing in your own tunnel vision of glory purposes and as such, would be more appropriate in the members rides section.
I didn't see a question....... what else were you expecting as a response?
I added a shitstir and it worked, you really need to stop taking yourself and your little car, so seriously.
This was never going to be constructive.
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Location: Victoria
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Tue, 27 July 2004 12:01

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hahaha
i can think of a picture that would suit this thread very much
unfortunatly many people take offence from it, so ill be nice
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Location: Melbourne
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 12:03

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BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 21:54 | Yet you still can't be humbled with fact, accept something and move on.
This thread was only created for bathing in your own tunnel vision of glory purposes and as such, would be more appropriate in the members rides section.
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ohh yes thats like an insane ammount of power its puting out im really braging there
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I didn't see a question....... what else were you expecting as a response?
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silence - expecting no, hopeing yes!
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I added a shitstir and it worked, you really need to stop taking yourself and your little car, so seriously.
This was never going to be constructive.
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you are a shit stir, we have been having a good laugh at you on #toyotamods chat, the more i post here the more you try.
anyway there are more interesting things on here now, have a good night and thanks for the entertainment
P.S 7M's do better burnouts anyway someone proved that at the nationals in a ma61
RWKW is irrevent 
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 12:25

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You're running a modified turbo engine on 91 octane "fuel"??
1. You have rocks in your head.
2. Of course it's not making power!
3. 7M's are teh suck. 
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Tue, 27 July 2004 12:44

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Norbie wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 22:25 | You're running a modified turbo engine on 91 octane "fuel"??
1. You have rocks in your head.
2. Of course it's not making power!
3. 7M's are teh suck. 
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its far far far from extensively modified norb's,
normally sits on about 12psi with the stock 10deg base timing does not require the good stuff, but i run it on the good stuff anyway, well when i have not been running late to get to the dyno day and forget to fill up at the mobil near me 
your also forgetting not only is it a 7m its an auto, it thus sucks twice as much!
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 12:51

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Any turbo engine with the boost cranked up needs good fuel. The reason your engine is making shithouse numbers is because the knock sensors are kicking in and retarding the timing to buggery. Put some 98 octane fuel in that thing and watch the numbers go up and up!
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Tue, 27 July 2004 12:57

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i think this would have more todo with any low numbers

even so its about on the money with the stock intercooler and turbo
heres a different supra...
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Tue, 27 July 2004 13:04

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WTF is that in your oil?
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Tue, 27 July 2004 13:05

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holy crap, are those two bits of gears stuck to the pan magnets?
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 13:06

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Hey, what does running the 1UZ AFM do without the 550cc injectors? Wasn't the idea to pair them up and then the lower voltage would be evened up by the increased flow?
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 13:06

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V8_MA61 wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 21:05 | holy crap, are those two bits of gears stuck to the pan magnets?
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Check his sig
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Tue, 27 July 2004 13:11

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also notice the way the CT-26 drops off no matter what else is done peek power will not change until the turbo is! (maybe intercooler would help a little) basicly no matter what fuel is put in wont make any difference
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 13:52

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despite the fact that it is true that 7m's do do better burnouts ( ) this is one lame ass thread. good god allan, talk about sticking your head out for a kicking...
ed
PS - im not a redneck, but peewee asking, "so ed, show me what torque feels like" was a little too much to resist
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 13:54

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ed_ma61 wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 21:52 | despite the fact that it is true that 7m's do do better burnouts ( ) this is one lame ass thread. good god allan, talk about sticking your head out for a kicking...
ed
PS - im not a redneck, but peewee asking, "so ed, show me what torque feels like" was a little too much to resist
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Haha, any excuse Ed. I must admit it did sound good
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Tue, 27 July 2004 13:55

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i dont care ed, its actualy geting decent towards the end maybe you can trim the shit off it and put it back where it was
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Tue, 27 July 2004 22:44

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justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 21:54 |
ed_ma61 wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 21:52 | PS - im not a redneck, but peewee asking, "so ed, show me what torque feels like" was a little too much to resist
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Haha, any excuse Ed. I must admit it did sound good 
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Hehe, I'll 2nd that
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Wed, 28 July 2004 00:22

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Allan wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 23:11 | also notice the way the CT-26 drops off no matter what else is done peek power will not change until the turbo is! (maybe intercooler would help a little) basicly no matter what fuel is put in wont make any difference
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You have some strange ideas about turbo engines Allan.
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Re: MA70: 1UZ-FE afm / stock injectors dyno vid
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Wed, 28 July 2004 00:30

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Not a very productive thread
1UZ-FE afm ? how about a back to back test , stock vs 1uz-fe
is this going to make any more power with the stock turbo ?
Yes maybe more airflow , but what about the turbo ? what is the limit ? anyone have a chart on the ct 26 ?
I need the results for a friends 7mgte which we are going for top hp with standard cheap stuff , need to see if its worth the $$$ .
I don't really know shit about these engine apart from the ex touring car one which was tuned years ago by my friends workshop
they had no-problems getting over 350rwhp with stock externals and the stock ct-26 cleaverly modified {to cheat as everyone does}.
Allan you did a run after my only run of the day ?
Did anyone who was there take any real notice of the sound of
your car ?
This would have been a giveaway to most experienced tuning
people to the problem , and not those dyno operators ,Nut you get what you pay for , and it was only a quick run anyway .
Who couldn't work out where to connect the boost pressure sensor
on a stock sr20det set up as well , then broke a tie piece to my boost gauge {most are like this unless it a wrx} .
There also got scared and stopped to call my over when the boost level got to 10psi lol , i answered no shit do you want me to turn it up to 20? Should have turn the boost up that day , maybe would have got to the top of that list .
And the torque figure ,Spoke to who uses those dynos and works for motec about this . With the dyno dynanics software you can input the rolling and drivetrain friction factor by just running the car to 100kph , dropping the clutch selecting neutral till the wheels stop rolling , then select the function and it works out the equation back to engine nm . Which once again was not used in those runs . I know for a fact my engine has 351nm of torque at 5575rpm , so the bullshit 750ish figure for my engine
is not correct . If you do not set this before the run , the figure a guess converted by kw .
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Wed, 28 July 2004 01:31

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Nice work Allan - only 1 RWKW less than my dead stock (dirty air-filter and all), standard boost, 1jz-gte. .
It's not necessarily the turbo holding you back - Dan's (HKS_TRD) 7M put out 240+ RwKw with a high-flowed CT26 and 20 psi. But it's not really in the "basically unmodified" category anymore .
I don't why the 7M vs JZ always causes such constant bickering. It doesn't really matter at all....
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Wed, 28 July 2004 02:29

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Allan,
Theres something wrong with your car dude... i'm making 170.8 rwkw's at 10.5 psi without the injectors or lexus AFM. I'm using a stock CT26 and stock intercooler as well
one thing i am using is 98 octane fuel! crazy not to!
Dan
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Wed, 28 July 2004 03:25

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hes already mentioned all that was available was 91 octane!
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Wed, 28 July 2004 04:01

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That's no excuse. If I wasn't able to purchase good fuel for my Supra, I simply wouldn't drive it - much less thrash it on a dyno!
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Wed, 28 July 2004 05:11

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Danners wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 12:29 | Allan,
Theres something wrong with your car dude... i'm making 170.8 rwkw's at 10.5 psi without the injectors or lexus AFM. I'm using a stock CT26 and stock intercooler as well
one thing i am using is 98 octane fuel! crazy not to!
Dan
..Toyota Soarer GT Limited 7M-GTE..
HKS 2.0mm Metal Head Gasket
ARP Bolts
7M-GE Cams
Apexi S-AFC
Lexus 1UZ Air Flow Meter (To Be Installed)
Denso 550cc Injectors (To Be Installed)
Celicamad Boost Controller (10.5 psi)
3.5" Dump pipe (To Be Installed)
3" Mandrel Bent Exhaust
W58 5 Speed Box (To Be Installed)
Koni Yellow Shocks
King Low Springs
17" ROH Fury Wheels
JZA70 Front Rotors and Calipers (To Be Installed)
170.8rwkw on the dyno
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I would say the items in red would be able to make 20rwkw of difference we both run the same ammount of boost
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Wed, 28 July 2004 05:17

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Norbie wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 10:22 |
Allan wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 23:11 | also notice the way the CT-26 drops off no matter what else is done peek power will not change until the turbo is! (maybe intercooler would help a little) basicly no matter what fuel is put in wont make any difference
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You have some strange ideas about turbo engines Allan.
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Norbie did you look at the graphed boost pressure on that NZ supra's dyno sheet??? a stock ct26 is hardly able to keep stock boost presure at peek power, the ammount of heat its puting into the intake charge makes it useless (even on 98ron fuel), the next step is modifications to the engine/turbo to make a decent ammount more power. if you think otherwise please explane i'd love to hear your reasoning.
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Wed, 28 July 2004 05:19

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lumpy wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 11:31 | Nice work Allan - only 1 RWKW less than my dead stock (dirty air-filter and all), standard boost, 1jz-gte. .
It's not necessarily the turbo holding you back - Dan's (HKS_TRD) 7M put out 240+ RwKw with a high-flowed CT26 and 20 psi. But it's not really in the "basically unmodified" category anymore .
I don't why the 7M vs JZ always causes such constant bickering. It doesn't really matter at all....
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im shure your 1jz has covered a lot less then 120,000km aswell
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Wed, 28 July 2004 05:22

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Norbie wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 14:01 | That's no excuse. If I wasn't able to purchase good fuel for my Supra, I simply wouldn't drive it - much less thrash it on a dyno!
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it only started to ping after about 10 mins on the dyno due to heat soak, and i wanted to got the dyno day to see where the car was at it is FAR from compleated.
I would not drive interstate with my clutch in backwards
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Wed, 28 July 2004 05:29

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Did anyone read my post ?
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Wed, 28 July 2004 05:29

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Special Ed wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 14:28 | I so wish I had time to put my 2c.
So I'll keep my input to mere slander.
PS. I think I own the Burnout Prize for this years Nats.
Go 1jzgte !
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At least my MA70 is roadworthy have a nice day Mr locked diff
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Wed, 28 July 2004 05:31

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Allan
How much boost are you running? Mine is set at 0.7 bar. You're right, the SAFC did give me around 16 extra rwkw.
I have a Lexus AFM AND 550cc injectors about to go into my car in a week or so, if anyone's interested I will have the before and after results with the same boost setting availible shortly!
Dan
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