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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 07:33
 
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reminds me of the "Watch this bro" e-mail on the Jokes list.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 07:46
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Hot rods of choice for who? Drug dealers that pull in 10k a week? 
If I had that kind of money I still dont think I would choose any of those three cars 
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 07:59
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Not meaning to sound like an old fart, but it's true, you get guys off their P's and into fast cars like that and they're asking for trouble... we really should have some better driving education going in this country.
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 08:02
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The article goes on about high performance imports, but is just me or does that car just look like an AUS spec R31 skyline 4 door?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 08:06
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Thats exactly what it looks like to me 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 10:05
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oh, I'm not saying there shouldn't be stricter licencing laws... I'm just bitching about how the media inaccurately reports so much. admittedly there are plenty of wrx's out there, but very few evo's or GTRs, and most of those are owned by rick people who occasionally will give it a bit of go. (by "old" I mean 25+)
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 10:33
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GTR = WTF?
GTS maybe. yeah evo 6s are becoming a bit like VL commies these days they are everywhere. i saw 2 last month!
also do CRX's go to 150km/h??
nah seriously you cant blame anyone, the kids got his lisence fair and square, and the fact that he has a fast car i doubt has much to do with it. if the kids parents had of bought him a rolla or pulsar or something you dont think he still would be racing?? its not the car, its the driver.
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 10:44
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I dont know what it is, whether it be the licensing system, or the people who drive these cars....but i have to admit that i thought i was pretty good until i had my crash (my fault and all)... 
but what is it do YOU think causes these accidents ?
i put it down to
car too fast
slow speed limits
inexperience
ego
games like gran turismo.
I dont think the licensing system has much to do with how ppl drive (but i am suprised how they pass some ppl who cant reverse park hehehe)
i think its more peoples mentality, what they get taught at home and the people they hang around... we should know to value life a bit more - i know i sure do now and the only time i will be trying a powerslide at 110 kmh will be at a race track ! 
i think a speed limiter (as in japan) is an awesome idea i.e. possibly limit to 120-130 while you are on the streets ??
who knows.. or maybe disallow younger drivers to drive "hot rods" heheh like evos, gtrs. .... BUT then that is just penalising the majority of ppl who ARE careful and enjoy their cars.
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 10:55
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Journos can be full of shit when they write. Whatever it takes to sell the newspaper.
However, I think the driver's licence should be modeled something like a bike licence. If you are a P plater, you should be allowed to drive a car above a certain Power to Weight ratio, unless they have a CAMS licence. Giving a young kid the keys to a high powered turbo car is asking for trouble.
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 11:17
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| draven wrote on Sat, 14 September 2002 17:16 |
I especially love how observant they are in labelling the car a "GTR"
also, the ability of modified cars to reach 110km/hr in first gear
and how about how evo 6's are a hot rod of choice. I mean, you see so many of those around.
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I agree to an extent with that about reaching those speeds. To quote:
"They easily reach the state's maximum speed limit of 110km/h in second gear and sometimes first".
Hell, I can get 120 in second from my auto, and I have an econobox. And that is just before/as it redlines.
"But it is not the car, it is the human factor"
Too right. As that TT article also showed a couple of nights ago.
Witnesses reported that he swerved to miss a taxi.
Well, how could we fault a taxi for getting in the way and having to serve so you don't hit it.
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Sat, 14 September 2002 11:28
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we should all get stuck into one of those advanced driving courses together (those of us who havent done one already, of course) itd be great fun, and perhaps get the club a better rep if we get the media in on it. we shouldn't merely complain about the media misrepresing us. we need to invite them along to a club event! we can take the cars out to learn to use them better, and get cheaper insurance while we're at it!
any more ideas guys?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 12:28
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I agree with the Lisencing system being way to easy..
I did the real 50Hours (i got my L's 2000 December, and just got my p's 2002 March..) that helped.. but i still didnt feel confident on the road. it still took me about 2/3months to get used to driving alone. Its pretty shocking when you find out how easy it is to get your provisionals.. esp with my test.. they missed out a few things. All i remember was a 10 minute drive.
Rta, over the bridge, Turned right reversed parked behind a car. turned left. stop sign. left again. over the bridge. right. back to the RTA.
See how easy that was.. it was nearly 10minutes at the most, and im pretty sure i didnt even go anywhere near a roundabout on that route and im pretty sure.. Got my lisence first go.
it was my local area and i drive around that way nearly all the time.
There should be more stuff todo for getting your P plates.. parking and reversing is so easy. i reckon there should be something like a bike course.. wheres there's an obsticle course with cones and stuff or something.
You got a book.. done your hours ok.
And how many hours can you say you honestly did?
i know many ppl who just signed it off.. and i feel pretty scared being with them as the driver.
But yeah.. It is just way to easy.
Not everyone drives the way they did on their exam or Leaners stage.. you start making bad habbits or just hear people go heh, who cares that was only on your l's. but thats the reason why so many people end up in the wood.
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 12:37
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I sorter aggree a little with more strict licencing, but learning to do better parks and little things like that isn't going to help ya when your doing 160+ and loose control! Once you've lost it you've lost it! Apart from putting ya head between ya knees and kissing your arse goodbye  theres not "too" much else you can do!
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Sutherland, Sydney
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 13:15
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It's a shame to lose a life no matter how crap a driver he was or how big a dick-head he was being at the time. But it's a reminder that it would never have happened if he was doing 60.
It comes down to the driver. full stop.
I think the saying "car of choice" is referring to the fact that if you had a choice it would be that. ie: if you were mountain biking and someone saw your bike and said "bike of choice mate" (mine being a Santa Cruz which is not a common bike nor the best but a good choice to have (me biased? nahhh) just like an Evo 6.
Everybody grows up being exposed to different driving conditions. I had the good fortune to grow up on a farm and got my own EH holden when I was twelve. My parents were both very fast drivers which back then you could get away with it especially in the country. But some of us have parents that may drive below the speed limit and only see the road ahead as far as headlights would normally shine on low beam in daylight, in their own lane...and usually are not aware that in some areas the right lane is the fast lane.
Just remember to drive and leave ample room for the unexpected...and Taxis.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sat, 14 September 2002 14:28
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taxis being more dangerous than any unexpected out tehre 
it's true tho.. the car doesn't matter... hell my celica's power : weight would have to be awful, but it can still do 180km/hr
the driver is what's important. A new 'rolla or pulsar can still be thrashed and driven dangerously, and he still could have easily been doing 150, and still died (R31 skylines not being that quick)
Driver training and much more stringent licencing is the way to go
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Canberra, ACT
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sun, 15 September 2002 03:16
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gentlemen,
i wrote off my ae112 rolla (without "assistance" from other cars) doing no more than 60km/h. luckily there was nobody else in the car, particularly in the front passenger-side seat as they would have been mashed to bits, almost certainly dead. you don't need to be going fast to do a lot of damage. i somehow managed to escape unharmed; good thing i chose a model with airbags, pretensioners, and the like.
as for the "if you lose it at 160+ you're dead" brigade - if you're doing these sorts of speeds on public roads you deserve it anyway. heard of Darwin?
j.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sun, 15 September 2002 09:31
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I've "lost it" at 170 ... to the extent that the back came out anyhow. I managed to put it into a controlled drift, but it's not an event I'd like to repeat anytime soon.
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I supported Toymods
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South of Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sun, 15 September 2002 11:43
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So does that mean that you didn't like the City last night Steve???
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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sun, 15 September 2002 11:46
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Nah, the city was awesome yesterday. i just always have problems with taxis. they are just too impatient.
like the near misses we saw at that roundabout....haha, stoopid taxis.
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sun, 15 September 2002 12:38
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Man, that roundabout was a cack... That burnout was good too...
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I supported Toymods
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Sun, 15 September 2002 12:43
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YEP!!
and also that champ on the bike (did a wheelie right along the street underneath the harbour bridge - quite impressive)
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Re: another fine article from the media on performance cars
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Thu, 19 September 2002 11:27
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I would've pissed myself if he fell over backwards...
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